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[GhostTrick]

Being deprived of one's freedom and being removed completely from society is a pretty big punishment.

It's supposed to be a pretty big punishment, but it also depends of the conditions. You know, there are nursing home with conditions less good than what this guy got. There are also people who are deprived of freedom because of sickness or such. What's their crime to be punished ?
I agree that detention is a big punishment, but it's not a punishment anymore where it just become a teenager's room where you can't leave but can do what you want such as playing video games or watching TV.

 

[StayDead]

Because in European welfare states prisoners have a better life than most people in the world. I'm pretty sure he also gets paid for being in prison.

You say that but i'm farely certain it's been shown that the European prison systems work a hell of a lot better than the US systems. The fact that having someone killed in an American prison is profitable and the fact people are wrongly imprisoned for decades in America should show you just how broken it really is.

 

[GhostTrick]

You say that but i'm farely certain it's been shown that the European prison systems work a hell of a lot better than the US systems. The fact that having someone killed in an American prison is profitable and the fact people are wrongly imprisoned for decades in America should show you just how broken it really is.

Better doesn't mean good either.

 

[legend166]

So for Amir0x and others - what about the hypothetical that after five years of intense psycho-therapy,the doctors determine he is no longer a danger to society. Would you be content with him spending five years in prison?

 

[Methamatics101]

The only thing he should be allowed to play with is his dick.

 

[StayDead]

Better doesn't mean good either.

I''d argue that a system where people generally don't get killed in prison and also have a fair chance at changing their lives without ending up with a mental illness is a relatively good system.

Removing Anders from the equation here, let's look at the woman in America who was put in jail for 18 months for attempted larceny. She didn't even manage to pull it off and she had a decent reason to do it. In the American prison system she was treated like sub human scum for making a genuine mistake and wrong decision with her life and it got to the point where she had to break out because she was so depressed.

Now 36 later she was caught and forced back into prison despite living a perfectly normal reformed life. purely because they say "they can't change anything". Yes they can, it's just it's more profitable for the prison to have her back for the last 9 months of her sentance than it is to try to change the situation.

In a European prison she'd probably have been let out early from her sentance for quite clearly not being a threat to society and having somewhat reformed herself and then she could have lived the rest of her life like any other citizen.

 

[Sadist]

To top it off, Breivik is a bro-gamer. Hilarious.

Serious post, I'll just ignore the countless "lol Europe" posts but it is beyond me that this extremely deluded man thinks he is in a position to make any demands. It's even sadder to see that the media are actually posting this story. Don't give it any attention.

Good thing he'll never get out though.

 

[Valnen]

Let that motherfucker starve to death then.

Yes please.

You say that but i'm farely certain it's been shown that the European prison systems work a hell of a lot better than the US systems. The fact that having someone killed in an American prison is profitable and the fact people are wrongly imprisoned for decades in America should show you just how broken it really is.

Sad thing is though I'm sure a lot of poor people would be willing to give up their freedom for the luxuries some of those people have. Both systems aren't really perfect, because there is no perfect way to deal with crime.

 

[Weltall Zero]

It boils my blood to think he even has a PS2 and pretty comfortable living conditions, and will be free in 21 years (that's like what, 4 months per victim?). I remember the news about the shooting spree, and accounts of survivors: it was one of the most chilling things one can listen to. It was mostly teenagers and teachers!

I'm not a proponent of capital punishment, but there's something utterly wrong with how some European countries' penal systems (including mine, Spain) go all the opposite way and end up a joke.

 

[GhostTrick]

I''d argue that a system where people generally don't get killed in prison and also have a fair chance at changing their lives without ending up with a mental illness is a relatively good system.

Removing Anders from the equation here, let's look at the woman in America who was put in jail for 18 months for attempted larceny. She didn't even manage to pull it off and she had a decent reason to do it. In the American prison system she was treated like sub human scum for making a genuine mistake and wrong decision with her life and it got to the point where she had to break out because she was so depressed.

Now 36 later she was caught and forced back into prison despite living a perfectly normal reformed life. purely because they say "they can't change anything". Yes they can, it's just it's more profitable for the prison to have her back for the last 9 months of her sentance than it is to try to change the situation.

In a European prison she'd probably have been let out early from her sentance for quite clearly not being a threat to society and having somewhat reformed herself and then she could have lived the rest of her life like any other citizen.

As I said, not every crimes are the same and neither criminals are. That's the main problem with prisons IMO, it's that everyone is treated as a criminal. That guy is a 2 months criminal while this one is a 5 years criminal. That's not how it's supposed to be. Rehabilitation is the key for small crimes, such as robbery or fighting... but for murders or rape ?

 

[Sword Familiar]

It's even sadder to see that the media are actually posting this story. Don't give it any attention.

Media doesn't give a shit about the victims' families. They are reporting on this because they know it aggravates people. Angered people buy news paper issues.

 

[uncleniccius]

Let him rot then.
I've never understood why prisons are so nice for prisoners like him, he shouldn't be allowed video games at all. That's offering him an opportunity to enjoy himself, and it's not like he gave any opportunity to the people he killed.

 

[zoukka]

Let him rot then.
I've never understood why prisons are so nice for prisoners like him, he shouldn't be allowed video games at all. That's offering him an opportunity to enjoy himself, and it's not like he gave any opportunity to the people he killed.

We don't live under the rule of Hammurab.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

IMO Anders has got a big chance of getting out of prison. He's a quite intelligent, so he can learn to pass those tests after 21y mark. Maybe he won't pass it on the first try, but second or third? He can also write letters for his followers, he can plan another attack staying in prison. I'm a death penalty supporter for murdererers, because only then we can be sure they won't kill anyone else.

There is a dude on the 1st page, who wrote that he could be one of Breiviks targets, and he still wishes him to stay alive in prison and pay medium or high taxes for murderers. Sorry but that is a very naive and detached from reality view, which is similar to the Grizzly Man case.

Jesus. First of all, he has ZERO chance of getting out of prison. Those tests are not conducted by machines, he will have to answer to real persons. And they know what he has done, and they won't EVER let him out. Second, you think he will be able to plan another attack in prison? Do you have any idea how life in prison is? How his life in prison is? He won't be able to plan shit there. This isn't a movie.

Last but not least - you want to "protect" innocent people by killing "murderers"? Have you even thought a minute about what you are actually supporting here? You are aware that innocent people are convicted of serious crimes on a constant basis? And you are aware that innocent people were killed by the death penality?

Because in European welfare states prisoners have a better life than most people in the world. I'm pretty sure he also gets paid for being in prison.

You are right, that might be the case. But instead of drawing the logical conclusion - that because most people in the world live in horrible situations, the international community should help those people - you are implying that the people in those prisons shouldn't be allowed to have a life like this... wow. This reminds me about people who claim that welfare is too high because some people who work for minimum wage have less money available for living. The problem isn't welfare/the prison system, it's the situation of those other people.

It boils my blood to think he even has a PS2 and pretty comfortable living conditions, and will be free in 21 years (that's like what, 4 months per victim?). I remember the news about the shooting spree, and accounts of survivors: it was one of the most chilling things one can listen to. It was mostly teenagers and teachers!

I'm not a proponent of capital punishment, but there's something utterly wrong with how some European countries' penal systems (including mine, Spain) go all the opposite way and end up a joke.

You aren't even capable of getting all the facts straight, so you are probably not the best person to judge this system. He won't get released after 21 years. And have you seen the pictures of his cell? That's not "comfortable".

 

[d9b]

Kills 77 people, spends days playing video games...

 

[Salcin]

I find it scary that it never really registers with me that this lone man killed 77 people. Seventy-seven. 77!

It's such a ridiculously staggering number that unless I really think about it I glance over it without considering the sheer magnitude and scope of such a horrific event.

And kids at that, teenagers and children.

 

[Yoshi]

He has Rayman 2 in his cell? Now this is one hell of a great treatment. Considering the great quality of this gem, the 21 years shloud fly past him in no time, what is he complaining about?

 

[Sadist]

Media doesn't give a shit about the victims' families. They are reporting on this because they know it aggravates people. Angered people buy news paper issues.

True.

Still it sucks.

 

[GhostTrick]

You aren't even capable of getting all the facts straight, so you are probably not the best person to judge this system. He won't get released after 21 years. And have you seen the pictures of his cell? That's not "comfortable".

3 cells, one for the toilets, one for the exercice, and one with his bed and TV. There are people with less, and they're not criminals.

 

[KDR_11k]

Why the hell would you give a mass murderer an indestructible bludgeoning object?

He murdered with guns. Let's see how he fares with a blunt object vs people who aren't helpless teenagers.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

3 cells, one for the toilets, one for the exercice, and one with his bed and TV. There are people with less, and they're not criminals.

Those are tiny, bleak and depressing rooms, where he has to stay 24/7. This isn't "comfortable". And why should it matter that other people have less? What kind of logic is that? "Oh hey look, there are pretty poor people in the world, we should treat our prisoners like shit." What?

 

[tehPete]

He should get nothing and he deserves nothing.

Keep whining Anders, you strong aryan white european warrior, you.

Hear hear. The moment you infringe on the life or liberties of another, you should accept that others can do the same to you without penalty. He deserves nothing, but should get the bare minimum - lighting, sanitation, basic regular meals, at least one window with a view of outside and one form of self-expression suitable for the environment that does not require a power supply, if that.

You could also come at it from the angle that (from the mass public perspective) all we're doing is creating a protective barrier around the collective conscience by locking these people up forever, instead of facing the situation and taking the action that would seem naturally correct. It essentially creates a situation where others will have to enforce his incarceration, which can only have a negative impact on all those involved. If you're enforcing the dehumanization of someone, you're also dehumanizing yourself by exposure. Is it better for one person to take the natural action and end a murderers life, or for many people to have to enforce his punishment over many years? & if such a position were to exist, what would be the impact on the collective conscience on allowing its existence?

It's a tricky issue, no doubt. One thing I think we can all agree on though - this console request is a joke. He shouldn't even be allowed a picture of a controller.

 

[Valnen]

Those are tiny, bleak and depressing rooms

Not really. I've seen pictures, they're pretty decked out compared to the room of an average poor person.

 

[GhostTrick]

Those are tiny, bleak and depressing rooms, where he has to stay 24/7. This isn't "comfortable". And why should it matter that other people have less? What kind of logic is that? "Oh hey look, there are pretty poor people in the world, we should treat our prisoners like shit." What?

What kind of logic is that ? How are you supposed to discourage people from crimes with such ways ? Also, I'm not saying our prisoners but SOME prisoners. Prisoners is a too generic term, because not every prisoners are the same person. But yeah, to know that a mass murderer is getting a more comfortable living than a lot of people in Europe is disturbing. Depressing rooms ? In what way ? You know what, there are even students with less comfortable living.

That's why it matters, because someone who actually mass murdered is getting far more than decent quality of life. What kind of an exemple is this for people ?
That guy shouldn't even have a PS2 with Rayman 2 in the first place. We should treat prisoners the way they deserve for what they did. I wouldn't be shocked if he was a robber, or someone who got in jail because he beat someone up in a fight while being drunk... but we're talking about a killer.

 

[Dryk]

I'm not a proponent of capital punishment, but there's something utterly wrong with how some European countries' penal systems (including mine, Spain) go all the opposite way and end up a joke.

You're right, the Norwegian prison system is a joke. The punchline is that everyone complains about it for the same reasons that it works better than theirs.

What kind of logic is that ? How are you supposed to discourage people from crimes with such ways ?

Prison isn't a very effective deterrent no matter how you spin it. A person who is that maladjusted or desperate simply does not care. You have to treat the problem at its source, not hit it with a stick and hope it sorts itself out. By treating people like human beings you send a message to would-be criminals that you care about their plight, and you give people like Breivik a chance to learn from their mistakes and recant. He will never be free, but there's still a chance that we can change his mind and cross him off the list of people that would be crusaders can look up to. Even if we can't, we can learn a lot from him to help future preventative efforts and we can't do that if he's dead or stir-crazy.

 

[Roshin]

...and will be free in 21 years....

The posts. Read them.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

Not really. I've seen pictures, they're pretty decked out compared to the room of an average poor person.

No. He doesn't even have a refrigerator. 99.6% of "poor" households have a refrigerator. /s

Here are pictures of his cell:

http://www.nrk.no/227/artikler/slik-skal-breivik-bo-1.8288654

Please tell me how that is "decked out".

What kind of logic is that ? How are you supposed to discourage people from crimes with such ways ? Also, I'm not saying our prisoners but SOME prisoners. Prisoners is a too generic term, because not every prisoners are the same person. But yeah, to know that a mass murderer is getting a more comfortable living than a lot of people in Europe is disturbing. Depressing rooms ? In what way ? You know what, there are even students with less comfortable living.

That's why it matters, because someone who actually mass murdered is getting far more than decent quality of life. What kind of an exemple is this for people ?
That guy shouldn't even have a PS2 with Rayman 2 in the first place. We should treat prisoners the way they deserve for what they did. I wouldn't be shocked if he was a robber, or someone who got in jail because he beat someone up in a fight while being drunk... but we're talking about a killer.

You think those conditions could possibly "discourage" people from crimes? Are you serious? The purpose of a prison is to protect the population from dangerous people and to resocialize the prisoners. Punishment or even deterrence are secondary effects. In the US there is the death penality. One would think that this is quite the deterrence. But if you look at the number of murders, I can't see how this is deterring anyone. And you think being not allowed to play a 14 year old videogame will prevent murders?!

 

[Roshin]

Here are pictures of his cell:

http://www.nrk.no/227/artikler/slik-skal-breivik-bo-1.8288654

Fuck, yes. Check out that battlestation.

 

[Dragon Puncher]

Got a new system for you here Breivik:

 

[tehPete]

Here are pictures of his cell:

http://www.nrk.no/227/artikler/slik-skal-breivik-bo-1.8288654

Any more beige and it'd be breaking the Geneva convention; it seems like a cruel and unnecessary level of punishment to me.

Spoiler

 

[GhostTrick]

No. He doesn't even have a refrigerator. 99.6% of "poor" households have a refrigerator. /s

Here are pictures of his cell:

http://www.nrk.no/227/artikler/slik-skal-breivik-bo-1.8288654

Please tell me how that is "decked out".



You think those conditions could possibly "discourage" people from crimes? Are you serious? The purpose of a prison is to protect the population from dangerous people and to resocialize the prisoners. Punishment or even deterrence are secondary effects. In the US there is the death penality. One would think that this is quite the deterrence. But if you look at the number of murders, I can't see how this is deterring anyone. And you think being not allowed to play a 14 year old videogame will prevent murders?!

It's supposed to discourage people from crimes, yes ! But of course, when the cell is composed of 3 cells with laptop, sport equipment, bed and LCD TV with videogames, I have troubles to see how it is supposed to discourage someone.
Also, you keep telling me about death penalty, but I don't remember saying it was a good thing. Actually, I'm against it. Tell me, if prisons aren't a punishment, what prevents people from making crimes ?

As for your last question, no, it won't prevent murders, but you're missing the point here: How are you supposed to prevent crimes when detention conditions are better than what some people have every days ? going by your logic: Giving him a bigger cell won't prevent murders, right ? Giving him top notch meals each day neither right ? What about allowing him to have a girlfriend visiting him every day ? Also, I'm sure that giving him a swimming pool won't prevent murders right ?

The point isn't that giving him a video game or not will prevent murders. The point is that this guy made something terrible, and he's supposed to feel bad about this. But he is also supposed to be punished for what he has done. Prison is a punishment. But not when you're giving people luxury life. Because YES, in a lot of countries, those things could be seen as luxury.

 

[fantomena]

FYI: Just remember that Breiviks was to change our democracy and our ideology core. If we change our crimininal justice politics, he have won.

Many of the families who had people who was killed on Utoya says he is not insane, and Im saying that too.

He is a person, btu with no feelings over the murderers he has done.

 

[StayDead]

It's supposed to discourage people from crimes, yes ! But of course, when the cell is composed of 3 cells with laptop, sport equipment, bed and LCD TV with videogames, I have troubles to see how it is supposed to discourage someone.
Also, you keep telling me about death penalty, but I don't remember saying it was a good thing. Actually, I'm against it. Tell me, if prisons aren't a punishment, what prevents people from making crimes ?

As for your last question, no, it won't prevent murders, but you're missing the point here: How are you supposed to prevent crimes when detention conditions are better than what some people have every days ? going by your logic: Giving him a bigger cell won't prevent murders, right ? Giving him top notch meals each day neither right ? What about allowing him to have a girlfriend visiting him every day ? Also, I'm sure that giving him a swimming pool won't prevent murders right ?

The point isn't that giving him a video game or not will prevent murders. The point is that this guy made something terrible, and he's supposed to feel bad about this. But he is also supposed to be punished for what he has done. Prison is a punishment. But not when you're giving people luxury life. Because YES, in a lot of countries, those things could be seen as luxury.

That may be the case, but it isn't in the country where he's from. That is far from a luxury cell and saying that making prison tougher will prevent crimes is just quite frankly ridiculous. America has one of the highest rates of people dying at the hands off other people than any other country in the world and they have some of the worst most cruel prisons in the world.

The only true way to prevent crimes is to treat everyone like a human, give everyone a fair chance in life and give everyone the same oppurtunities. That'll never happen thouogh as in our capitalist society we hold so dear the 1% with all the money control everything and couldn't give a damn about the poor people living without any luxuries.

Crimes happen for a variety of reasons, none of which would have the situation changed due to a tougher prison system.

 

[Dryk]

As for your last question, no, it won't prevent murders, but you're missing the point here: How are you supposed to prevent crimes when detention conditions are better than what some people have every days ? going by your logic: Giving him a bigger cell won't prevent murders, right ? Giving him top notch meals each day neither right ? What about allowing him to have a girlfriend visiting him every day ? Also, I'm sure that giving him a swimming pool won't prevent murders right ?

Every study on prison conditions and recidivism rates has concluded that it has very little effect. Some say that it makes it slightly worse, some say it doesn't make a difference, some say it makes it slightly better. But even the studies that agree with you the most say that you get a few percentage points less crime when you double the number of prison deaths and caution that it's just not worth the ethical implications.

 

[DrWong]

That may be the case, but it isn't in the country where he's from. That is far from a luxury cell and saying that making prison tougher will prevent crimes is just quite frankly ridiculous. America has one of the highest rates of people dying at the hands off other people than any other country in the world and they have some of the worst most cruel prisons in the world.

The only true way to prevent crimes is to treat everyone like a human, give everyone a fair chance in life and give everyone the same oppurtunities. That'll never happen thouogh as in our capitalist society we hold so dear the 1% with all the money control everything and couldn't give a damn about the poor people living without any luxuries.

Crimes happen for a variety of reasons, none of which would have the situation changed due to a tougher prison system.

Amen.

 

[GhostTrick]

That may be the case, but it isn't in the country where he's from. That is far from a luxury cell and saying that making prison tougher will prevent crimes is just quite frankly ridiculous. America has one of the highest rates of people dying at the hands off other people than any other country in the world and they have some of the worst most cruel prisons in the world.

The only true way to prevent crimes is to treat everyone like a human, give everyone a fair chance in life and give everyone the same oppurtunities. That'll never happen thouogh as in our capitalist society we hold so dear the 1% with all the money control everything and couldn't give a damn about the poor people living without any luxuries.

Crimes happen for a variety of reasons, none of which would have the situation changed due to a tougher prison system.

Sorry, but I totally disagree. Treating everyone like a human ? Giving everyone a fair chance ? Tell me, does he gave a chance to one of those 77 people he slaughtered ? Also, I never said that Prisons must be hell on earth, I just said they have to be Prisons: A small cell, a bed, a toilet. That's it. Video games in a prison ? Come on, what is that ? Also, not the case in the country he is from ? Are you telling me this is some magic country when homeless people don't exist ?
Then again, you're making a terrible mistake as considering everyone the same. The people who deserve another chance are the one who did nothing too harmfull. Do you think the people who lost their family will get a chance to get them back ?

That's the actual problem with prisons: It's not that they're too harsh or not enough... it's that everyone is treated as the same. As I already said, of course some people deserve a chance, and prison is a punishment in the way it's privating freedom. But come on, some crimes requires different way to deal with it.
And to be honest, I have huge troubles ot see how giving him video games will give him a second chance or make him a better person.

 

[GhostTrick]

Every study on prison conditions and recidivism rates has concluded that it has very little effect. Some say that it makes it slightly worse, some say it doesn't make a difference, some say it makes it slightly better. But even the studies that agree with you the most say that you get a few percentage points less crime when you double the number of prison deaths and caution that it's just not worth the ethical implications.

To be fair, such studies are dumb IMO, because they're considering prisoners as the same. But you know, they're all different persons. They made different crimes, for different reasons. They have a different background, they have different ideals.

 

[czk]

Jesus. First of all, he has ZERO chance of getting out of prison. Those tests are not conducted by machines, he will have to answer to real persons. And they know what he has done, and they won't EVER let him out. Second, you think he will be able to plan another attack in prison? Do you have any idea how life in prison is? How his life in prison is? He won't be able to plan shit there. This isn't a movie.

Last but not least - you want to "protect" innocent people by killing "murderers"? Have you even thought a minute about what you are actually supporting here? You are aware that innocent people are convicted of serious crimes on a constant basis? And you are aware that innocent people were killed by the death penality?

I do not care about his life in prison. It should be as bad as anyone can immagine, not because of some kind of revenge (which won't help his victims), but because he deserved the worst.
Also - why do you put murderers in quotation marks?

Death penalty should be executed only when we are talking about murderers (people who cold blodded calculated what they are going to do and how, who are aware of the consequences) and when we have 100% certainty of their guilt. This is the case of Anders.

My opinion is that if you PLAN (I'm not talking about killing by accident) for months and you murder other human beings you should be sentenced to death. I don't speak through emotions but this is a cold analysis. The punishment should be proportionate to your guilt.

And I wouldn't cross out Breiviks getting out of prison. You don't know who will test him in 20 years, maybe someone even more compassionate that the one who abolished the death penalty in Norway.

 

[sonicmj1]

Sorry, but I totally disagree. Treating everyone like a human ? Giving everyone a fair chance ? Tell me, does he gave a chance to one of those 77 people he slaughtered ?

I would hope we'd hold our governments to a higher standard of behavior than a mass murderer.

 

[jonnyp]

Yeah, I'm baffled by that too.

"Oh, he killed 77 people in a brutal rampage, but let's not let him rot in prison forever...that's too harsh! He should be free after 21 years!"

What the hell.

Not this again. He's not getting out.

 

[StayDead]

I do not care about his life in prison. It should be as bad as anyone can immagine, not because of some kind of revenge (which won't help his victims), but because he deserved the worst.
Also - why do you put murderers in quotation marks?

Death penalty should be executed only when we are talking about murderers (people who cold blodded calculated what they are going to do and how, who are aware of the consequences) and when we have 100% certainty of their guilt. This is the case of Anders.

My opinion is that if you PLAN (I'm not talking about killing by accident) for months and you murder other human beings you should be sentenced to death. I don't speak through emotions but this is a cold analysis. The punishment should be proportionate to your guilt.

And I wouldn't cross out Breiviks getting out of prison. You don't know who will test him in 20 years, maybe someone even more compassionate that the one who abolished the death penalty in Norway.

So how does killing him exactly change anything? It won't bring back those people from the dead and it means he'll never have to live with what he did. He may show to be an emotionless husk now who doesn't care, but in 30-50 years if he's still alive and hasn't commited suicide for the guilt he'll never be able to forget what he did and how he threw his life away.

Killing him is utterly pointless and solves nothing but making the prisons money in America. Let me re-iterate that it's been shown that killing someone in America is actually profitable for said prison who does it.

 

[Fried Food]

This is some profound trolling

 

[Dryk]

My opinion is that if you PLAN (I'm not talking about killing by accident) for months and you murder other human beings you should be sentenced to death. I don't speak through emotions but this is a cold analysis. The punishment should be proportionate to your guilt.

To what end?

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

It may seem lenient in Breiviks case but the point is that by law the treatment is the same for everyone. Seems reasonable to me that they'd rather not change a system that works and they're proud of just because of one asshole. At the end of the day he's still under lock and key with no freedom.

 

[tehPete]

...but in 30-50 years if he's still alive and hasn't commited suicide for the guilt he'll never be able to forget what he did and how he threw his life away.

There's a sadistic tone to this that I feel is just as bad as the majority of the other options on the table. I'm put in mind of the following saying:

'Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned.' - Buddha

This is some profound trolling

Ain't that the truth.

 

[BigDaddyFatSack]

The only thing he should be allowed to play with is his dick.

Pretty sure he reached level 99 mastering the technique by now.

 

[GhostTrick]

I would hope we'd hold our governments to a higher standard of behavior than a mass murderer.

Being as bad as him would be to kill him. That's not what I'm asking for.
Also, you're taking my words out of context, since the context was not every criminals are the same. Are you seriously thinking a mass murderer deserve a second chance ?
Also, I think that allowing him to have a place where to stay is already a higher standard. But giving him such luxuries is just fool.

 

[GhostTrick]

So how does killing him exactly change anything? It won't bring back those people from the dead and it means he'll never have to live with what he did. He may show to be an emotionless husk now who doesn't care, but in 30-50 years if he's still alive and hasn't commited suicide for the guilt he'll never be able to forget what he did and how he threw his life away.

Killing him is utterly pointless and solves nothing but making the prisons money in America. Let me re-iterate that it's been shown that killing someone in America is actually profitable for said prison who does it.

Killing someone isn't a punishment. It would be like a person living a life commiting crimes or such and get a 3 second, painless punishment. And it doesn't bring justice either.

 

[witchedwiz]

I find it scary that it never really registers with me that this lone man killed 77 people. Seventy-seven. 77!

It's such a ridiculously staggering number that unless I really think about it I glance over it without considering the sheer magnitude and scope of such a horrific event.

This...
Lololl gimme games or i'll star e to death..
Was not for some humanitarian side in our law system i'd love see the guy hang ed from the balls..
But no, he gets to stay in a cell, away from in mates that may reset him for being a douche on the top of being a child killer too.. And he gets to complain about GAMES?
I mean, immigranti that do never anything wrong can't afford gaming , can't afford giving games as a gift to their sons, and ghisa psycho wants to be treated "right" by being able to satisfy his gaming taste and love for Freedom via a pc to write around?
Jeans christ...
We're talking about a psycho that will never EVER leave his cell.. He didn't murder 1 people or 2 people over a fit of rage or an error..
He killed 77 people out of the blue..
Any of you would feel EVER severe with having him as a neighbour? I strongly Doubt...
And here eh are giving him media attention over his stupid request when eh should be grateful to be alive...
This is...

 

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So how does killing him exactly change anything? It won't bring back those people from the dead and it means he'll never have to live with what he did. He may show to be an emotionless husk now who doesn't care, but in 30-50 years if he's still alive and hasn't commited suicide for the guilt he'll never be able to forget what he did and how he threw his life away.

Death penalty for planning and killing over 70 people is a righteous judgment.
You are saying is that the penalty won't bring the dead back and you are right. But it doesn't mean that a murderer should have lesser punishment because of that.

His death would also help the prison staff to have a more healthy environment to work in. I know I would hate to be a jailer, doctor, dentist, cleaner (or be a family or even a friend of said person) etc. in a jail with murderers. What if some psycho manages to kill one of the jail staff? Will you give him another lifetime in prison?