Fighting Games Weekly | Feb 17-23 | United, Divided, Anime
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Where's Smash-GAF/Project M-GAF btw? I have a few questions for ya but I don't think the main thread has people asking for insights on things.
If you're a scumbag Zero player sure.
If you're a scumbag Zero player sure.
Says the Viper/Focus Attack player.
Marvel is dead on PS3.
You get where this is going.
Yeah this will definitely breathe new life into the game just like what happened with MVC2 when Justin used to dominate and we finally had players popping up who could challenge him and beat him.
But I don't see that happening any time soon. In all honestly... you are the best hope right now! Whoop that FChamp's ass at SCR in the exhibition!
Parallax Scroll
Banned
you just did that last week
The OT has slowed down quite a bit lately. It seems like everybody is dropping off. Myself included, I'm trying to work on my backlog
This is true.
I'd be ridiculously hype to see someone unknown take down Chris G.
lol
MiniBossBattle
Member
Vergil's Round-trip mixup & Jam Sessions & Zero whatever sucks for the same reason why KI combo breakers suck for viewers; It happens, you can't see visually and you don't know why.
I love the neutral game of what Chris/Haggar/Strange players have to deal with.
I have been trying to use Magento but I don't have the execution/time to get good with him.
We will always have TeamArmor or team KBR or thats why they gave us Hulk, Nova, Spencer, Sentinel.
This is why we love OMGitzAndre dropping combos only to get the American reset. Nemo's bully playstyle is so optimized its like watching a robot put together a lego set. No hype is built, just meter and money.
I, uh, we talking marvel?
Neutral game turned into a minefield of mixups preventing your opponent to superjump fly or bait them into beam or crossup beam. Who knew MasterCJ was merely tapping the beam teleport mixup into beam teleport mixup.
Thats the Marvel cycle. My marvel hype is diminishing too at times. It used to be can they get Phoenix to level 5? Two meters for Doom/Ammy OMGITSHAPPENING? Frank-lvl1 is free but Frank lvl5, why did you let that happen?!!! KBR opening, Clockw0rk errant hit to full conversion, FChamp avoiding the Marvel to dictate his gameplan, Paradigm of get in with Haggar, mixup/get out with Dorm. Now it feels like mid-screen mixup to corner carry TOD to mixup sometimes. In the end I just don't like Vergil and missles.
Juicebox_FGC
Member
Exactly how I feel about SF4.
YOU ONLY HAD ONE THING YOU NEEDED TO DO SMEDWICKS!
Guys, I'm using jaguar dash for a wesker assist, wish me luck.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
PRRog is the best streamer because he shows what song he's playing at the moment.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
shots fired, kadey
Parallax Scroll
Banned
this makes it easier for record companies to shut down his stream
Word up, someones message got deleted when he pointed it out to Kadey.
But that's how you're supposed to play the game?
RockTurtle
Member
is virgingaming the in thing now?
MiniBossBattle
Member
As it should be, its fucking terrible.
Until people forget about it tomorrow.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
I'd say it's there except that FGTV has debuted more tech and had more international players on stream.
What's the question?
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Now THAT is how you duck Chris G.
Yea that's why I said almost.
Huw_Dawson
Member
Fully booked for IVGC. 
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
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Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Slayer swag is too much
donkey show
Member
Streaming some Gundam Full Boost GAF matches now - http://www.twitch.tv/gevurah22
A big old bag of replies (since I can't post from work ;_
TGM3 was a light-up the few times I've played it, the best I've done there was S2 or something. -_- I am REGRET.
Yeah, FB's games should be on Steam now (and hell they can bring along RBO while they're at it)... but it's not nearly as easy as you think. They want to publish internationally... but they have no real clue how to go about doing that. The amount of Japanese support on Steam is dismal, and all of the contracts and other business dealings are handled in English, and they have no English speaking staff. That's why every small/independent Japanese release on Steam has been through a specialized publisher of some kind (Rockin' Android, Carpe Fulgur, Nyu Media, Playism, etc.). However, back then none of these companies had any proven track record (and even now they're all very small and under-resourced), and after what happened to a couple of other independent developers (like with Pixel and Nicalis, or Sugeno and eigoManga), they don't want to get screwed, and the level of trust is low. Thankfully, more companies have an established track record now and the games are getting more exposure, so there's more incentive to make a deal.
(Weirdly, though, they tend to have more programming muscle than the larger localization companies here, like XSeed or NISA -- probably because of the fact that most of them grew out of the fan translation scene, where hacking everything in was a requirement. That and XSeed/NISA/etc. are still really damn small.)
The whole thing with MBCC (especially with it never getting a standalone release) is really bizarre though, and it's something I really want to find out what the hell happened with.
This can be character and situation dependent. Most commonly, people don't tech the enders because they can't -- a lot of characters have untechable airthrows or other normals that lead to hard knockdowns. For characters with techable throws (like Hisui or Sion), they can catch the tech but they have to make a commit of some kind (Sion has to EX Dive, Hisui can 5A 2C and catch techs but she's giving up some oki options doing so). Kouma has to make a hard commit to catch a tech but if you don't his OTG damage is really good, so the risk/reward is more skewed. Someone like Ciel can't catch techs in the air at all, but if she's on the ground EX Hiero will catch any tech anywhere. You just have to learn the situations.
MB and UNIB are very different games. MB is heavily focused on air-to-air neutral, where most movement doesn't require much of a commitment and the risk for attacking is relatively high, but the reward for an air-to-air counter is also really high. UNIB is a much more horizontal game, and air movement is much more restricted (no air backdash, and you can't do anything but attack after an air dash). The neutral is more "old-school", in a way (although you can chain into combos, even at range). Pressure is different too, with the unique nature of MB's reverse beat chaining and UNIB's interplay with shielding, GRD and chain shift.
In TGM2, the best I've ever finished at is S7... and that was all of once, heh. I haven't played much in a while so I would probably be omega ass until I started remembering stuff again.
TGM3 was a light-up the few times I've played it, the best I've done there was S2 or something. -_- I am REGRET.
There's a couple of major issues here. The biggest issue is that Melty Blood is not their own IP; it's Type-Moon's -- and Type-Moon has this weird angst over anything Tsukihime related at this point, to the point where they feel the need to remake the game. Yeah they're remaking it for the money too... but let's be real, they could do pretty much anything at this point and print money. They're also rather picky with who they work with internationally, so they would never sign off on some random group looking to release the game or allow them to use a Kickstarter or stuff like that. I have a high amount of confidence that that if Melty Blood was wholly owned by French Bread, it would have been released in the US at some point, in some capacity.
Yeah, FB's games should be on Steam now (and hell they can bring along RBO while they're at it)... but it's not nearly as easy as you think. They want to publish internationally... but they have no real clue how to go about doing that. The amount of Japanese support on Steam is dismal, and all of the contracts and other business dealings are handled in English, and they have no English speaking staff. That's why every small/independent Japanese release on Steam has been through a specialized publisher of some kind (Rockin' Android, Carpe Fulgur, Nyu Media, Playism, etc.). However, back then none of these companies had any proven track record (and even now they're all very small and under-resourced), and after what happened to a couple of other independent developers (like with Pixel and Nicalis, or Sugeno and eigoManga), they don't want to get screwed, and the level of trust is low. Thankfully, more companies have an established track record now and the games are getting more exposure, so there's more incentive to make a deal.
(Weirdly, though, they tend to have more programming muscle than the larger localization companies here, like XSeed or NISA -- probably because of the fact that most of them grew out of the fan translation scene, where hacking everything in was a requirement. That and XSeed/NISA/etc. are still really damn small.)
The whole thing with MBCC (especially with it never getting a standalone release) is really bizarre though, and it's something I really want to find out what the hell happened with.
One thing to add to this: if he tells you to come see him in Magical Drop 3 and offers double or nothing in that game, do not accept. You may as well be asking to get robbed.
I honestly don't think many can because most of the top Marvel players play the strongest and most broken teams for obvious reasons. I honestly think Hidden Missiles as an assist should have never been in the game, it just gives rush down characters too many options. I just feel like not being a Doom player in Marvel knocks you down a few pegs and most of the upcoming players have wacky teams that work most of the time but can't compete with the Chris G's and FChamps' of this world.
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Does anyone know if there's been any footage of I-No play yet? I want to see her swagness.
theprodigy
Member
You have Winter Brawl this weekend and Final Round in less than a month and then you have stuff like Texas Showdown, NCR, UFGT, CEO, etc all in the pipe (and a bunch more I'm probably forgetting). Business is picking up.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Final Round and Winter Brawl, the latter happening this weekend.
Battle Circuit is live
http://www.twitch.tv/teamsp00ky
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Justin Wong plays and wins with a mid tier-ish team. Flocker doesn't use Doom and he won EVO (most Zero players in fact don't use Doom). Nemo doesn't use Doom (actually destroys Doom). Doom is not a requirement to play and win in the game.
I feel that there need to be more Nemo type teams in America to make the Doom teams sweat. If there were more team Nemos then you would see more variety in team selection because a lot of rushdown teams can beat team Nemo (like a Wolverine team or even a Wesker team).
I think any team that focuses on just rushdown can be beaten fairly convincingly by a wide variety of teams... it's the really top tier zoning teams that really separate the weak teams from the strong teams.
Also I don't think Missiles should've never been in the game. They add in interesting dynamic to the game and they allow zoning teams to be strong against rushdown. I do think the assist is bull shit in its current state but I also think Jam Session and Plasma Beam are over powered as well.
Duxxy3
Member
Winterbrawl is this weekend.
Alright, thanks. MU knowledge was pretty limited when I played. Only had experience of around facing maybe 8-10 characters. Most of what I did was fundamentals from other games and watching match videos. But a lot of intricacies were lost to me, so I wasn't sure what the reason was for why players would do some things.A big old bag of replies (since I can't post from work ;_
This can be character and situation dependent. Most commonly, people don't tech the enders because they can't -- a lot of characters have untechable airthrows or other normals that lead to hard knockdowns. For characters with techable throws (like Hisui or Sion), they can catch the tech but they have to make a commit of some kind (Sion has to EX Dive, Hisui can 5A 2C and catch techs but she's giving up some oki options doing so). Kouma has to make a hard commit to catch a tech but if you don't his OTG damage is really good, so the risk/reward is more skewed. Someone like Ciel can't catch techs in the air at all, but if she's on the ground EX Hiero will catch any tech anywhere. You just have to learn the situations.
