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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS and Wii U Thread 5: Yarning for Yoshi
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Please do.
I have no idea; that would be wonderful, but if not I'll figure something out on my own!
The more I look at the evolution of Sonic the more I realize that it was probably in Sega's best interest to just have stuck with classic Sonic when they made generations rather than to constantly update him. It just seems likes he's a 90s era fad trying everything he can to stay relevant. I think a younger audience would appreciate a simpler design they can draw from remembrance, most of the characters were very simple in design, even robotnick. They are asking for him to lose value by constantly updating him, rather than making simple improvements but staying loyal to the overall basic style like Mario.
He's more relevant than Mega Man. In fact he's one of the few mascot characters left that still is relevant. His design is fine.
You're going to need to be specific than make general statements.
Modern Sonic hasn't changed at all other than the fact that the artwork stopped attempting to be super edge-y. Modern Sonic is fine. Classic Sonic is also fine.
Then there is that Sonic Boom design which doesn't change the main series look.
Sonic Boom can be the equivalent of Mega Man X, Zero, or ZX series.
lol wow. This is why it's hard to complain about up-close shots, when Brawl looked like that.
Sales are actually steadily decreasing, and there would not have been a need to do the Sonic Boom redesign. Mega Man is not relevant anymore because he was not designed to bring in new audiences, to do that, they split the franchise into different series rather than constantly changing his appearance and gameplay to draw in new crowds. For example the new Sonic Boom title looks more like a Banjo Kazooie game than a traditional Sonic title, signs that rather than trying to stay true to the franchise they are going in all sorts of different directions.
Sonic Boom is a Western-only spinoff. Sonic Team will continue developing the mainline games with the regular character designs.
I edited this in my previous post:
Sonic Boom would be like the Mega Man X series to the Mega Man games.
I thought I had read an article (or maybe it was a youtube summary of the new info on Sonic Boom) that depending on how well this series does they are leaning towards making this the official Sonic from here on out?
He more or less has the same design as his classic Sonic look except he's a bit lankier. That's it really (oh no, green eyes!). The amount of exaggeration regarding his more modern design has always been ridiculous to me. I've always been fine with it and I grew up on the original games. They could drop the stupid grin, though.
I agree that the Sonic Boom design is terrible and I think it ruins what made his design so timeless in the first place. It's a good thing it's only for that show (and the game based on the show).
I agree that the Sonic Boom design is terrible and I think it ruins what made his design so timeless in the first place. It's a good thing it's only for that show (and the game based on the show).
That's not true. It is just western-only spinoff like Ryce said. It is to tie in with the cartoon of the same name. It isn't even being released in Japan.
I see, read a few articles, but it does seem to imply that the redesign was done to appeal more to western audiences. To me it just devaules the original designs, not because they look stupid, but because there really was no need to do it. I think Generations made that glaringly obvious. It shows a lack of faith in your own character. Granted I'm happy with the classic/modern mix they gave to his Smash 4 model.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
I posted a thread today with a Sonic Boom Interview, and it it Iizuka clearly states that Sonic Boom will run parallel to the existing Sonic the Hedgehog, so no need to worry.
Red Arremer
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So what exactly about modern Sonic's design made it "less memorable" than classic Sonic? Because to me, the design change is nowhere near as significant as to make such a hatefest out of it - both are still blue cartoony hedgehogs with red sneakers and white gloves. Just one is small and fat and the other one is a bit taller and less fat. Oh, and modern Sonic actually has soles on his shoes.
After all, since Sonic's redesign in Adventures, nothing has changed in his basic design, except for one game having a bit different shoes (Adventures 2), but since then, they went back to the old shoes.
The differences, if they exist, all are to be blamed on different art styles or their interpretation with the model. And just like with Mario, they've been using the same base model in all games for a while now.
Speaking of Mario, he has gone some severe design changes too, especially in the early days. Not counting spin-off titles like Paper Mario or Dr. Mario, we've got a history looking like this:
As you can see, Mario has undergone some severe changes. The design remained unchanged save for the colors (which were swapped in the transition to SMB3) between SMB1 and SMW, but then with Mario 64, the 3D debut, Mario got... oh whoa. Whoa whoa whoa.
Mario got lankier!!
Even in-game (using an SMB3 sprite from All-Stars here because the SMW sprite looks a bit weird):
As you can see, Mario lost quite a bit of weight when transitioning to 3D. Much like a certain blue hedgehog, no? This change was made to make the characters, when animated, not look like tits while running or moving in general. More "realistic" proportions than what they originally were designed with.
Moving on with Mario's design updates, he continuously received small updates after SM64 to bring him "up to date" with the current level of graphics, just like Sonic.
Oh, and as a final point - I would argue that sales of Sonic games are steadily decreasing because people are starting to realize that Sonic games more often than not are lackluster games, or just plain shit (although there has been an increase in quality of Sonic games in the last few years, but that doesn't automatically mean sales are skyrocketing again).
After all, since Sonic's redesign in Adventures, nothing has changed in his basic design, except for one game having a bit different shoes (Adventures 2), but since then, they went back to the old shoes.
The differences, if they exist, all are to be blamed on different art styles or their interpretation with the model. And just like with Mario, they've been using the same base model in all games for a while now.
Speaking of Mario, he has gone some severe design changes too, especially in the early days. Not counting spin-off titles like Paper Mario or Dr. Mario, we've got a history looking like this:
Donkey Kong
Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros. (SMB2/Lost Levels used the same design and color scheme)
Super Mario Bros. 3 (SMW used the same design)
Super Mario 64
Super Mario Sunshine (noteworthy here the shorter sleeves)
New Super Mario Bros. (which also is his current design)
Super Mario 3D World (including this as it is his latest appearance)
As you can see, Mario has undergone some severe changes. The design remained unchanged save for the colors (which were swapped in the transition to SMB3) between SMB1 and SMW, but then with Mario 64, the 3D debut, Mario got... oh whoa. Whoa whoa whoa.
Mario got lankier!!
Even in-game (using an SMB3 sprite from All-Stars here because the SMW sprite looks a bit weird):
As you can see, Mario lost quite a bit of weight when transitioning to 3D. Much like a certain blue hedgehog, no? This change was made to make the characters, when animated, not look like tits while running or moving in general. More "realistic" proportions than what they originally were designed with.
Moving on with Mario's design updates, he continuously received small updates after SM64 to bring him "up to date" with the current level of graphics, just like Sonic.
Oh, and as a final point - I would argue that sales of Sonic games are steadily decreasing because people are starting to realize that Sonic games more often than not are lackluster games, or just plain shit (although there has been an increase in quality of Sonic games in the last few years, but that doesn't automatically mean sales are skyrocketing again).
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
They finally updated the image with Little Mac!
woo!
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Of course, Rosalina is the best
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
wii fit trainer, rosalina, fox, bowser, and samus are the best.
Red Arremer
Member
I like how Lucario and Fox are looking at each other, as if they were longing to be together, but they have to smash their way through a fat penguin and a guy in green who thinks he's talking to fairies.
I also happen to really like the art of those 2, along with the 3 princesses, Bowser, Samus and Luigi.
Masked Man
I said wow
Stained glass Little Mac is lookin' smexy.
Poltergust
Member
I find it hilarious that Mario went from red overalls/blue shirt -> blue overalls/red shirt -> red overalls/blue shirt -> blue overalls/red shirt. Such a weird cycle.
MaverickHunterAsh
Member
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person who not only doesn't hate Modern Sonic's design, but actually prefers it to Classic Sonic's look these days. I know I'm obviously not the only one, but man the people who have an irrational hatred for Modern Sonic and act like that design is a cardinal sin are fucking loud and obnoxious.
Classic Sonic was really cute in Generations and it was fun to have that design back for a bit, but it also definitely cemented my opinion that Modern Sonic's design is more refined and has a broader contemporary appeal. SEGA wasn't wrong in redesigning him over the years.
Classic Sonic was really cute in Generations and it was fun to have that design back for a bit, but it also definitely cemented my opinion that Modern Sonic's design is more refined and has a broader contemporary appeal. SEGA wasn't wrong in redesigning him over the years.
I don't really feel too strongly about any of the Sonic designs, modern or classic. They're all fine.
Except Sonic Boom's design, that one is terrible.
MaverickHunterAsh
Member
I don't really feel too strongly about any of the Sonic designs, modern or classic. They're all fine.
Except Sonic Boom's design, that one is terrible.
Eh, the only Sonic Boom design I actively dislike is Knuckles, because he's just so weirdly large.
Otherwise I think Boom Sonic looks pretty much like Modern Sonic with bandages and oddly blue arms. I'm fine with it.
MrSaturn99
Member
I'll echo Zeer0id in that I don't have any major investment in any Sonic design, but I generally agree.
That said, Sonic is one of the characters I feel looks really off in the new Smash (mainly the face). It's like a weird mixture between Classic/Modern Sonic.
Troubled Bat
Member
You should definitely go to IRC more often.
People definitely play on the weekends. Probably on weekdays too.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Definitely. There are some people that prefer to fight during weekdays (or nights); other people preferred during weekends.
I'm the same way, though that's probably because I played the Adventure series first.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Eh, I'm indifferent to the Sonic designs.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
I felt Classic Sonic in Generations was too cute.
I would've liked if he looked something like this:
Now that feels like a 3D Version of the Genesis Sprite.
I would've liked if he looked something like this:
Now that feels like a 3D Version of the Genesis Sprite.
Dedede, Samus, Wii Fit Trainer, Rosalina, Marth and Bowser are great. Olimar's is also extremely charming.
StreetsAhead
Member
After watching the NCL puppet Cat Mario & Peach video, I want the Cat Power-Up or the Puppets to appear in Smash, somehow.
InvincibleAgent
Member
The fact that there are more women in this game than its predecessors got me to thinking how they compare in terms of height. Samus and Rosalina are tall, and I'm guessing Samus is the tallest since they used her to compare Little Mac's height. How do the 5 women stand up to each other in size?
Hey Girl Hey! Love it.I made this at like 4am last night with some of the possible female newcomers. I wanted to make something Smash-related, and Miiverse doodles can only go so far for hype.
Here's hoping we see at least one of these ladies playable. I didn't include any FE ladies since there's no 3D renders of them - my pick is Anna, since she's a recurring character, but Robin, or Lucina would be cool too.
MrSaturn99
Member
I've wanted that ever since 3D World came out.
If not, hopefully someone on Deviantart or wherever can draw everyone in cat suits.
The idea of Fox in a catsuit is amazing.
InvincibleAgent
Member
How would you incorporate the cat suit with Kirby with someone's power? Cat suit Fox Kirby?
theprodigy
Member
It's probably already happened and we just don't know it yet.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Nah Wolf in a catsuit would be hilarious.
Nahhh, you couldn't possibly be into that.
InvincibleAgent
Member
I get the whole animal-in-a-catsuit thing, but I think Ganondorf in a catsuit would be more humorous.
Grumpy cat.