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[Neuromancer]

Not sure if already posted but I saw this on Jeremy Conrad's twitter feed:

Not cool at all to be attacking other people's games.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

Or she missed a coma.

I'd be glad if I missed a coma.

 

[Kitty]

my point is, that you'd struggle to find a gif missing those kinds of effects in the 2012 footage, and you can't make a gif with them in the 2014 footage, because it doesn't contain any.

every external shot had them in 2012. no external shot has them in 2014. I'm not sure which bits you want him to gif as a result. that's all I'm saying. there ISN'T footage from the 2014 version we've seen yet that contains such effects. they just aren't there at all. so no gif has them.

It's great that you know that those effects don't exist in 2014, have you really seen ALL footage from the game? Even footage they haven't released yet, if so..

The E3 footage was high-end pc, some of the latest footage is from lowerspec consoles and there is this infamous gif from unknown origin.

 

[TMNT]

my point is, that you'd struggle to find a gif missing those kinds of effects in the 2012 footage, and you can't make a gif with them in the 2014 footage, because it doesn't contain any.

every external shot had them in 2012. no external shot has them in 2014. I'm not sure which bits you want him to gif as a result. that's all I'm saying. there ISN'T footage from the 2014 version we've seen yet that contains such effects. they just aren't there at all. so no gif has them.

The likelihood of this scenario playing out is one in a million. That, or the footage was fabricated and thus clear deception on the part of Ubi. Think about it: The footage 2012 has the perfect atmospheric effects, plenty of wind, particle effects, weather, lighting, physics et al.

The 2014 footage has none of that in any of the clips shown. The entire roll of footage and they can't provide even a semblance of that initial reveal? Highly unlikely. Again, an almost indisputable downgrade.

 

[BadTaste]

Or she missed a coma.

yeah

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

I'm shocked at Ubiosft being shocked at the backlash.

Did they miss the past year of gaming or something?

The internet gets pissed pretty easy.

 

[FiggyCal]

I'd be glad if I missed a coma.

lol comma*

 

[Marcel]

Not sure if already posted but I saw this on Jeremy Conrad's twitter feed:

Not cool at all to be attacking other people's games.

Some people in here were cheering on an official PR person for a multimillion dollar company slinging shit on an indie game for no reason. Pretty embarrassing.

 

[Denzar]

ok...reading some of those hostile tweets towards Ubi's PR (Tessa) makes me cringe. It's not even called for.

To be fair, she comes across as not the smartest peanut in the turd. She's the PR lady for Ubi BeNeLux and I've seen her several times. Never talked to her in person though, but she's our contact at Ubisoft. She's passionate, and does not deserve all the hate she gets. Besides, she's a Ubi rep, of course she'll defend her product(s)!

 

[Brazil]

Gah, that's the same guy that was trolling JP a few weeks back

What a sad, petty human being.

Some people in here were cheering on an official PR person for a multimillion dollar company slinging shit on an indie game for no reason. Pretty embarrassing.

Cheering? People were cheering?

I see that you've already set up the carnival tent in this thread.

 

[eot]

yep, agreed... unreal honestly... the negativity and hate is a god damned shame to see. I don't blame devs from keeping shit to themselves and staying far away from twitter and boards like this anymore.

Oh come on, Ubisoft have a history of promoting their games with bullshit video and screenshots. It's their own fault if it blows up in their face. They built their hype on the graphics.

 

[fastford58]

This thread is reaching trainwreck status.

 

[Symax]

Is there already a thread for this event?
Watch_Dogs Dev Team interview and Q&A - Live on Twitch - tonight.
Today, March 7 – 9pm [CET]

I would like to ask them some question about the obvious downgrade.

 

[Kade]

Then what does that make Neogaf then?

Stormfront.

Some people in here were cheering on an official PR person for a multimillion dollar company slinging shit on an indie game for no reason. Pretty embarrassing.

Point them out please.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

Some people in here were cheering on an official PR person for a multimillion dollar company slinging shit on an indie game for no reason. Pretty embarrassing.

I don't think telling the truth is exactly "slinging shit," but I'd have kept the Outlast thing to myself, however true it is.

 

[Alienous]

We haven't even seen recent footage where its rainy. Maybe it looks just like that?

I mean, sure. Maybe it looks better?

But, going off of what we've seen, that seems unlikely. That'd be a significant jump in fidelity (lighting, depth of field, reflections, non-static objects, detailed draw distance) due to weather. It's possible.

 

[Phazon]

It's a bit sad when official PR spokespersons don't know the difference between then and than.

Tessa works here as a PR lady for Ubisoft in Belgium. In the part where we live, Dutch is the main language. French is our second language and actually German the third one. Of course English is an important language too, but it's pretty normal that everyone makes a mistake now and then.

 

[Marcel]

What a sad, petty human being.



Cheering? People were cheering?

I see that you've already set up the circus tent in this thread.

That's funny coming from someone who cloaks their clownish consumer entitlement opinion through calling someone else dense. Get over yourself.

 

[Neuromancer]

Some people in here were cheering on an official PR person for a multimillion dollar company slinging shit on an indie game for no reason. Pretty embarrassing.

Wow

 

[plagiarize]

It's great that you know that those effects don't exist in 2014, have you really seen ALL footage from the game? Even footage they haven't released yet, if so..

The E3 footage was high-end pc, some of the latest footage is from lowerspec consoles and there is this infamous gif from unknown origin.

I think I've only ever talked about SHOTS.

every shot in 2012 footage to no shot in the 2014 footage. do I know if they're in the game or not? how could I. but how could anyone make a better comparison gif with the released footage? they can't.

and the odds of this happening by chance... are very very small. again, even just a shot of someone walking down an alley in the original footage has such effects that aren't to be seen in any of this footage.

so, sure, you can presume it's still there and they're just not showing it to make themselves look bad, or something. i'll presume they're gone until I see any evidence that they aren't, because in all the footage, they're gone.

I'm only harping on about this because it's what impressed me most in the 2012 footage. I've specifically praised games for these touches in the past too.

 

[chadskin]

Just wanna throw this in again, as we apparently welcome plenty of new users who jump from OP to last post and don't understand what the fuzz is all about.

It's obviously an awful spot of the game and yes, other spots look better (though not nearly as good as the E3 2012 reveal). But if these scenes make it into the b-roll footage game magazines like IGN, Gamespot et. al. use to produce video previews that'll be viewed by thousands of peoples, hence should paint the game in the best light possible, it doesn't bode well for the overall visual quality of the game.

 

[Coolwhip]

Wow

She isn't even attacking the game, stop being dramatic.

 

[Loakum]

To be fair, she comes across as not the smartest peanut in the turd. She's the PR lady for Ubi BeNeLux and I've seen her several times. Never talked to her in person though, but she's our contact at Ubisoft. She's passionate, and does not deserve all the hate she gets. Besides, she's a Ubi rep, of course she'll defend her product(s)!

She's just doing her job. I think she's flustered, because of the amount of hostile tweets she's dealing with. I think folks are directing their anger at the wrong person. Hell, I'm not even 100% certain if the anger is even warranted. Until I see some legit "this is the retail version of the game" proof, then I'm just gonna wait and see.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Some people in here were cheering on an official PR person for a multimillion dollar company slinging shit on an indie game for no reason. Pretty embarrassing.

That... didn't happen.

 

[Beefy]

This thread is reaching trainwreck status.

Will probably be closed soon.

 

[Marcel]

She isn't even attacking the game, stop being dramatic.

A backhanded compliment is still sort of an insult.

 

[Brazil]

That's funny coming from someone who cloaks their clownish consumer entitlement opinion through calling someone else dense. Get over yourself.

I understand what's happening here. You're mad as hell and you're trying to find someone to fight with by being all passive-aggressive. It's cute, but you don't know me, and you clearly have no idea what any of those words you just typed mean.

I'd love for you to be able to pinpoint where in this thread I said anything with regards to consumer entitlement. If by some miracle you do come up with something, please feel free to send me a PM.

 

[GHG]

Some CG artist at Free Radical probably worked hard on Haze too but it doesn't mean that people have to automatically enjoy it. Any form of media can and will be judged by the consumer as to whether it meets their standard of a good value.

As usual, the whole derivative-ass entitlement spiel holds absolutely no water at all.

Nobody is forcing anybody to enjoy Watch Dogs. What the people who have worked on this game deserve at the very least is the benefit of the doubt until the final product is released. I get it that people are upset if the game doesn't look as good in the current trailers as when it was initially revealed, however we have no idea of the context of the footage we are seeing at the moment. The tone of the discussion is also one akin to that of a witch-hunt instead of a more positive discussion where people may be optimistic in what they may be able to improve/optimize between now and launch.

They delayed the game because they thought it wasn't ready - people get upset.
They don't state what the new release date is for a while - people get upset.
They re-reveal the game with a new trailer & new footage & state a new release date - people get upset

They can't win. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Especially not when the community is harping on about "Ubi this, Ubi that". They aren't forcing you to follow their games in development. They aren't forcing you to watch their trailers. They aren't forcing you to buy their games. Hell, they aren't forcing you to even play their games. People act like they are deserving of certain things (i.e. a game that looks like the initial reveal) but the fact is, nobody is.

They didn't promise anyone anything, they just showed their vision. Yes it will be a shame if the final product doesn't visually match up to the initial trailer, but even if it doesn't we may well end up with what is a very good game.

At the end of the day, if people don't like what they see they simply shouldn't buy the game. There is nothing to be gained from the behaviors displayed in this thread.

It's a bit sad when official PR spokespersons don't know the difference between then and than.

You know... maybe English isn't her 1st language. Cut the poor girl some slack. She's just trying to do her job.

I've never been into Watch Dogs, but it's certainly tougher selling games these days compared to the past. One small slip up on the internet will spread like wildfire, and can cost you mind share bigtime.

Yep. It's called mob mentality. Communities side with certain things/trends. Unfortunately for Ubisoft at the moment they are in the bad books along with EA as a publisher. So no matter what they do people will hate on it.

 

[Portugeezer]

You know the gif that people use to judge this game on? It's from a video that has other footage too.

The fact that people don't know this is shameful.

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

I mean, sure. Maybe it looks better?

But, going off of what we've seen, that seems unlikely. That'd be a significant jump in fidelity (lighting, depth of field, reflections, non-static objects, detailed draw distance) due to weather. It's possible.

Some weather effects could've be scripted the reveal trailer though. While Aiden was walking down the street you here some radio guy saying that a storm is hitting the city soon.

I think there is the usuall Ubisoft downgrade in the game, but I don't think It'll be as massive a people make it out to be here.
The previews were actually pretty positive.
I really think we should wait before we judge the game.

 

[Syphon Filter]

Not sure if already posted but I saw this on Jeremy Conrad's twitter feed:

Not cool at all to be attacking other people's games.

Low standard steve. Then what is the point of getting a next gen system,just stay with last gen.

 

[Beefy]

A backhanded compliment is still sort of an insult.

Can't she have a opinion?

 

[PaulExcellent]

I still think it looks pretty good.
Do they have a special edition with the hankerchief? >.>

 

[Neuromancer]

She isn't even attacking the game, stop being dramatic.

A PR person for a game company calling another game's graphics crappy on Twitter is definitely attacking the game. Stop defending the indefensible.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Can't she have a opinion?

Not when she is being paid to represent Ubisoft via twitter.

 

[Kinyou]

The fact that people don't know this is shameful.

The op should updated with video link asap

 

[hengyu]

The likelihood of this scenario playing out is one in a million. That, or the footage was fabricated and thus clear deception on the part of Ubi. Think about it: The footage 2012 has the perfect atmospheric effects, plenty of wind, particle effects, weather, lighting, physics et al.

The 2014 footage has none of that in any of the clips shown. The entire roll of footage and they can't provide even a semblance of that initial reveal? Highly unlikely. Again, an almost indisputable downgrade.

This.

I just can't wrap my mind around the idea that the game actually could look that great given the right conditions, but in entire gameplay videos and trailers we only happened to get the awful stuff. It would take a next level of delusion to believe that.

 

[Alienous]

Nobody is forcing anybody to enjoy Watch Dogs. What the people who have worked on this game deserve at the very least is the benefit of the doubt until the final product is released. I get it that people are upset if the game doesn't look as good in the current trailers as when it was initially revealed, however we have no idea of the context of the footage we are seeing at the moment. The tone of the discussion is also one akin to that of a witch-hunt instead of a more positive discussion where people may be optimistic in what they may be able to improve/optimize between now and launch.

They delayed the game because they thought it wasn't ready - people get upset.
They don't state what the new release date is for a while - people get upset.
They re-reveal the game with a new trailer & new footage & state a new release date - people get upset

They can't win. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Especially not when the community is harping on about "Ubi this, Ubi that". They aren't forcing you to follow their games in development. They aren't forcing you to watch their trailers. They aren't forcing you to buy their games. Hell, they aren't forcing you to even play their games. People act like they are deserving of certain things (i.e. a game that looks like the initial reveal) but the fact is, nobody is.

They didn't promise anyone anything, they just showed their vision. Yes it will be a shame if the final product doesn't visually match up to the initial trailer, but even if it doesn't we may well end up with what is a very good game.

At the end of the day, if people don't like what they see they simply shouldn't buy the game. There is nothing to be gained from the behaviors displayed in this thread.

What?

If they deliver on that, they win, we win, everybody wins

Spoiler

wins

.

There is no 'damned if they do, damned if they don't' scenario.

 

[The Cartographer]

So it really is the next Assassin's Creed.

 

[MaLDo]

Tessa works here as a PR lady for Ubisoft in Belgium. In the part where we live, Dutch is the main language. French is our second language and actually German the third one. Of course English is an important language too, but it's pretty normal that everyone makes a mistake now and then.

How can this be necessary. Really. Thanks btw.

 

[Netherscourge]

Note to PS4/XB1/PC Big-Budget developers - you need MORE than just a good story/gameplay in 2014.

Consumers are more demanding in 2014. Story, Gameplay AND Graphics ALL must be top-tier - ESPECIALLY if a High-Production Value company is making it and selling it for $59.99.

You can't have 2/3 or 1/3. You need ALL THREE or you will be criticized.

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

Wasn't planning on getting this anyways, but this really helps put my expectations into check regarding The Division.

It's a bit sad when official PR spokespersons don't know the difference between then and than.

The only sad part is you jumping to conclusions that English is her first language, and also the fact that out of everything regarding this story, this is what you choose to focus on.

 

[Kade]

How can this be necessary. Really. Thanks btw.

Because people are actively looking for anything to get upset about and disregarding any possible explanations for said things. It's really embarrassing.

 

[dapperbandit]

Can someone briefly summarise what the story is here?

It looks like they've delayed the game and the footage since the delay shows inferior graphics?

Was everything in the previous footage we'd seen bullshit?

This makes me worried about the Division (the game out of the two I'd be far more interested in)

 

[Beefy]

Not when she is being paid to represent Ubisoft via twitter.

But it is her twitter account, she isn't saying it through the Ubi official account. Long as she doesn't go off in a mad rant like others have, I don't see the problem.

 

[Pitmonkey]

Shouldn't we be seeing some Wii U Gamepad implementation images at this point? I know we had them like crazy for the Splinter Cell version by now.

 

[GHG]

What?

If they deliver on that, they win, we win, everybody wins

Spoiler

wins

.

There is no 'damned if they do, damned if they don't' scenario.

Trust me, people will find something*.

* See Killzone Shadowfall.

No big game can release these days without there being something to bitch about on the internet. Even if that something is 3 months later after the game has sold millions of copies and been widely enjoyed without a hitch, people will still gather the pitchforks. Even if its one missing texture, one glitch, one pixel out of place.

Its quite sad actually.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

Can someone briefly summarise what the story is here?

It looks like they've delayed the game and the footage since the delay shows inferior graphics?

Was everything in the previous footage we'd seen bullshit?

This makes me worried about the Division (the game out of the two I'd be far more interested in)

Not footage since the delay, basically it's comparing the E32012 debut footage to what we've seen lately. The game looked the same before the delay as it does now.

 

[rvy]

I am glad you don't have a job, dickhead.

 

[Flumbooze]

Nobody is forcing anybody to enjoy Watch Dogs. What the people who have worked on this game deserve at the very least is the benefit of the doubt until the final product is released. I get it that people are upset if the game doesn't look as good in the current trailers as when it was initially revealed, however we have no idea of the context of the footage we are seeing at the moment. The tone of the discussion is also one akin to that of a witch-hunt instead of a more positive discussion where people may be optimistic in what they may be able to improve/optimize between now and launch.

They delayed the game because they thought it wasn't ready - people get upset.
They don't state what the new release date is for a while - people get upset.
They re-reveal the game with a new trailer & new footage & state a new release date - people get upset

They can't win. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Especially not when the community is harping on about "Ubi this, Ubi that". They aren't forcing you to follow their games in development. They aren't forcing you to watch their trailers. They aren't forcing you to buy their games. Hell, they aren't forcing you to even play their games. People act like they are deserving of certain things (i.e. a game that looks like the initial reveal) but the fact is, nobody is.

They didn't promise anyone anything, they just showed their vision. Yes it will be a shame if the final product doesn't visually match up to the initial trailer, but even if it doesn't we may well end up with what is a very good game.

At the end of the day, if people don't like what they see they simply shouldn't buy the game. There is nothing to be gained from the behaviors displayed in this thread.

They shouldn't have advertised the game like that, pretending to be running on a next-gen console only to delay the game and downgrade it. You create expectations, and as a company it's your task to fulfill these expectations. If you can not do that, you shouldn't be surprised when you get shit from your followers.

You know... maybe English isn't her 1st language. Cut the poor girl some slack. She's just trying to do her job.

Basic mistake, but I don't really mind that. She shouldn't speak badly about other indie developers though, even though she probably didn't intend to insult.