Watch_Dogs downgradeaton confirmed
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plagiarize
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'Say Ubisoft overshot with their vertical slice'.
I was clearly talking hypothetically, making the point that if Ubisoft HAVE failed to meet that vertical slice that I think they are MORE obliged to come out and tell us where the game is technically, than a game that hadn't over promised.
GHG
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Personal attacks have started I see.
Nice. I'll refrain from commenting on this game until launch because clearly there are no logical discussions to be had at this stage.
This. I have yet to find a game I couldn't find on release day or even preorder day before.
plagiarize
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I thought you were better than this, GAF.
We've proven not to be on multiple occasions. Its a bummer
There is no final product yet...
sure you can but calling devs liars when they never said the ps4 version would look like a reveal from before the ps4 was even revealed.
It's sad Ubisoft didn't control a situation that was in their power and interest to control. They had the opportunity and they blew it.
People thinking the reaction is over blown need to understand that this is a build up of fake promises throughout the years. We are used to seeing fake demos and bullshots but this is the straw that broke the camel's back for gaf. This isn't a simple before and after comparison. The game has been the highlight of two E3's and multiple Sony press conferences, including the PS4 reveal.
To have such a downgrade in graphics after YEARS of showing the game off, months of silence and now being close to launch makes the reaction completely understandable.
To have such a downgrade in graphics after YEARS of showing the game off, months of silence and now being close to launch makes the reaction completely understandable.
I'm not calling the devs liars. I hope no one is. PR and marketing dept. fucked this up alright.
That really is it in a nutshell.
plagiarize
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I haven't called them liars.
But they totally dodged the issue, and as I said previously, if the Aisha Tyler footage turns out to be from the next gen version of the game, they sure knowingly let everyone else believe otherwise, which would be almost as bad, if that's the case.
Lol man. I stopped buying ubishit games long time ago for this shit they keep on pulling. Its a strategic marketing for them. And its a low one. But it seems it work since the company isnt closed yet.
They always advetise high quality shit way before release date to get hardcore and casual excited about it. Come release date hardcore gamers are pissed about it and most dont buy the game but the causals rush and buy it due to perior hype.
This game right now looks like a fucking original xbox one game.
You people need to wake up and stop buying their games. When they start bleeding money, they will come and beg you.
They always advetise high quality shit way before release date to get hardcore and casual excited about it. Come release date hardcore gamers are pissed about it and most dont buy the game but the causals rush and buy it due to perior hype.
This game right now looks like a fucking original xbox one game.
You people need to wake up and stop buying their games. When they start bleeding money, they will come and beg you.
KingpinZero
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Sorry guys, but what's so hard to understand?
- if you "reveal" a title, showing ingame footage, saying to the world it's the game that will ship, you're supposed to deliver what you said/shown. No one asked something. It's UBI/Developer who said it will be like that.
Users and consumers have RIGHT to feel pissed off or ripped off, period. Doesn't matter how you justify or positive you are about, that's the facts.
- if you reveal a title like the WD we know now, from the other day, instead focusing on his key elements, gameplay and so on, I bet everyone would be genuinely interested and ready to defend the title until it gets released.
Because you know, you've been honest and stuff.
Fact is: the industry need to fucking STOP pulling this stunts, users and consumers are pissed.
Every year is the same shit all over again: fake trailers, fake ingames, whatever.
Please stop. Show what you are really working on.
I saw big developers badmouth indie developers because they sell well and get the spot light easily. Well maybe because they're ALWAYS HONEST WITH THEIR PROJECTs showing exactly what they are working on and what they will deliver.
So pls, stop getting everyone hyped up. I thought it ended with Colonial Marines affair but as we can see, it's getting worse.
- if you "reveal" a title, showing ingame footage, saying to the world it's the game that will ship, you're supposed to deliver what you said/shown. No one asked something. It's UBI/Developer who said it will be like that.
Users and consumers have RIGHT to feel pissed off or ripped off, period. Doesn't matter how you justify or positive you are about, that's the facts.
- if you reveal a title like the WD we know now, from the other day, instead focusing on his key elements, gameplay and so on, I bet everyone would be genuinely interested and ready to defend the title until it gets released.
Because you know, you've been honest and stuff.
Fact is: the industry need to fucking STOP pulling this stunts, users and consumers are pissed.
Every year is the same shit all over again: fake trailers, fake ingames, whatever.
Please stop. Show what you are really working on.
I saw big developers badmouth indie developers because they sell well and get the spot light easily. Well maybe because they're ALWAYS HONEST WITH THEIR PROJECTs showing exactly what they are working on and what they will deliver.
So pls, stop getting everyone hyped up. I thought it ended with Colonial Marines affair but as we can see, it's getting worse.
Cave Johnson
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Are you serious? Most of my friends are holding off reservations on the PS4 just because the want to play this game. Had this not been known to them, they would've been severely disappointed if nobody tried to inform them of the recent updates. Not everybody is following games' development as we are and now you're basically painting us with a broad-stoke because you anticipate we would be "hypocrites"? Really, dude?
So calling out developers in favor of consumers awareness is now a crime? I find it even more astounding how dismissive you are in recent light of all the comparisons, screenshots and investigations so you can write this whole thread off with a drive-by quote like that. I'm actually convinced you sound like someone who's pissed off criticizing your developer overlords demanding they be respected and have their offerings provided. Jesus, the nerve of some people. Can you at least provide some context before you post comments like this so we know why your stance is legitimate?
Symax
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Well i thought we are comparing the official PS4 version with the "unofficial" downgraded PS4 version, because that's the only sane thing left to do in this thread. Of course the game will never match the 2012 demo. We already knew that at E3 2013.
Rest assured, if you've got a problem with something, someone that's got a problem with you having a problem is not far behind. Times we live in.
plagiarize
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the 1080p youtube videos from 2013 have better image quality than the high bitrate 2014 footage from yesterday. there is clearly something very wrong either with the video encode, or with the image quality of the game.
it would be in Ubisoft's interest to confirm either way.
youtube footage should never look better than high bitrate mp4 footage. that's how bad the image quality is in the MP4 footage. the comparison is valid in that regard.
Seriously GAF are you jocking ??
We knew since E3 2013 there was a downgrade with the Jimmy Fallon video, the soft look, le pixelated shadows, the dowgrade in lighting, beside that everyone seems to enjoys these graphs and the game looks great !!
And yesterday you see the same thing execpt the scene (in gamespot video) appears in bright light and everybody is pissed off ??
The ONLY difference is the time of the day and you don't understand that ?
After 90 pages I still see people don't understand why the bridge is blinking..
I still see people saying the car model is ps2 because the car is yellow and the camera 2 meters far from the car
Worst community ever
We knew since E3 2013 there was a downgrade with the Jimmy Fallon video, the soft look, le pixelated shadows, the dowgrade in lighting, beside that everyone seems to enjoys these graphs and the game looks great !!
And yesterday you see the same thing execpt the scene (in gamespot video) appears in bright light and everybody is pissed off ??
The ONLY difference is the time of the day and you don't understand that ?
After 90 pages I still see people don't understand why the bridge is blinking..
I still see people saying the car model is ps2 because the car is yellow and the camera 2 meters far from the car
Worst community ever
You're right of course, but siding with a big corporation over the consumer is always quite puzzling to me as well.
Vire
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I thought Moondizzle was banned?
Eh, some people here are being a bit too harsh but I think the concerns are very warranted. I'm not surprised that the e3 footage looks better though, aren't those thing design to look amazing to get people hyped for it, even if it doesn't reflect the final product? and If anything, I'm more annoyed at Ubisoft with how they responded to this.
Like this. wtf Ubisoft. I was never a big fan of Ubisoft to begin with but this will certainly make me more cautious of them.
You are going places my friend.
Or, perhaps, we'd rather developers show us products that are representative of the final product, and when that's not possible, admitting it and not sidestepping questions.
FeiRR
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I saved some frames from Gamersyde's footage. Sorry for big size but scaling is not an option here. They can't be 1080p or they've been strongly post-processed to add AA. Look at transverse edges, they are way to smooth. I don't believe they use AA technique which works so well.
Side of the camera:
The monitor:
The baton on the left and the gun on the right.
Bonus picture - poor lighting and geometry. This really doesn't look next gen.
I would still want to play this game because I like the setting and I'm a big fan of AC universe. But I'll definitely wait until it comes out to decide if it's worth launch purchase.
Side of the camera:
The monitor:
The baton on the left and the gun on the right.
Bonus picture - poor lighting and geometry. This really doesn't look next gen.
I would still want to play this game because I like the setting and I'm a big fan of AC universe. But I'll definitely wait until it comes out to decide if it's worth launch purchase.
its not siding with big corps. its complaining about complaining over something you have zero control over aside from not buying the game. if you don't like it don't buy it and say that much. no need to demand some sort of "answers" from ubisoft that you know isn't coming.
travisbickle
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At this point, I think there's a group of people who are content that the game couldn't match the E3 2012 reveal and that's that.
But there is a E3 2013 night-time play through, and a Jimmy Fallon/Sept 2013 day-time play through that look a lot better than this new video. Some people don't want to talk about this, they are satisfied with the knowledge that it was never going to meet that first 2012 showing.
If it's the worst community ever then why don't you piss off?
LouisaFerre
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I'm more concerned about the sidestepping questioning and the repetitiveness they said the delay was for than I am about the game looking bad.
plagiarize
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nonsense. again, I can choose how to convey my displeasure. I am just as free to not buy the game as I am to complain about how Ubisoft are marketing it.
the answers WILL come too. maybe as soon as tomorrow. they are going to realize that this isn't going away, and that their stonewalling of it today only made it worse. our active complaining has regularly led to developers giving technical details about our games, so I see no reason to stop asking for them.
This is from September 27th, 2013:
http://www.videogamer.com/ps4/watch...wn_since_reveal_creative_director_claims.html
Just so you know with what kind of fuck up we're dealing here.
http://www.videogamer.com/ps4/watch...wn_since_reveal_creative_director_claims.html
Just so you know with what kind of fuck up we're dealing here.
rokkerkory
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This post is only 540p at best
Everyone has the right to voice their concerns on a product, especially if they're interested in it. Even if you may not get an answer, you should voice your concern. It's hardly demanding.
Admiral Woofington
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FeiRR
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As I've just wrote, I want to buy this game. But I haven't invested a large sum of money into a next gen console (and PC) to be stuck in the same visuals for another couple of years. I expect some level of quality from next gen releases provided they are substantially more expensive for me to buy. We're here discussing IF this game is worth that money or not. If not, I'll buy it on a sale much later. I don't think Ubisoft would want that and if they don't, they have to prove their product is worth that money. Dodging questions and banning people who ask them from chat is going to hurt them, not me.
megatronium
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The latest IGN xbox podcast says they played the game and that it looks great. Even went as far as to say that they didn't notice a downgrade...
Burgerface
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While I do think some of the reactions in here have been a bit much, I think it is a good thing that consumers/players are calling developers out for this.
plagiarize
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I saved some frames from Gamersyde's footage. Sorry for big size but scaling is not an option here. They can't be 1080p or they've been strongly post-processed to add AA. Look at transverse edges, they are way to smooth. I don't believe they use AA technique which works so well.
Side of the camera:
The monitor:
The baton on the left and the gun on the right.
Bonus picture - poor lighting and geometry. This really doesn't look next gen.
I would still want to play this game because I like the setting and I'm a big fan of AC universe. But I'll definitely wait until it comes out to decide if it's worth launch purchase.
I see stepping in these images that isn't single stepping. I cannot say what the game actually looks like, but these frames appear to have been upscaled. high contrast edges (like the black rim of the monitor compared to the white screen, and the grey lip of the camera against the dark camera lenses) show obvious stepping, and it's not what we should be seeing were this footage native 1080p.
How far were they sitting from the TV? And did the game force them out of their review over personal differences?
plagiarize
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and most people STILL think that footage was of the last gen version, when it's looking very much like that isn't the case. Ubisoft knew outlets were reporting that, and didn't let any of them know they were wrong, which if they were and that footage wasn't of the last gen version, is some really dodgy behavior.
I'm pretty certain IGN podcast have also claimed they can't see the difference between 720p, 900p and 1080p, so I see no reason to listen to a thing they say on such matters.
Admiral Woofington
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I think some people here have the wrong idea that we want to be right.
If the above is true, and the team showcases an actual demo that proves us wrong, then by all means we as a community will say we were idiotic in jumping into such conclusions with little evidence. Heck I'll be ecstatic if it looks amazing still. But the trailer and videos so far are either a downgrade, or the worst possible choice to show me the game looks good as they looked terrible compared to previous footage.
Symax
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..or just show us some gameplay. You are right. This whole problem could be "easily" solved, but on the basis of the last twitch stream i'm not so sure about ubisoft's interest in the "easy" way out of this whole mess.
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