nelsonroyale
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Character models look just as good as the originals to me.
Watch_Dogs downgradeaton confirmed
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I think I read (the thread is so huge) it's from the exact same video, just a little later on and it's from the same guy who uploaded the original part. He was explaining how it's that one section in the OP where the lighting over the bridge is hugely different.
I only expect a small increases on IQ or 10% more fps at max from those optimizations.
Sigh, Geras of War 1 Max settings and almost the double pixel count than 360 on a 2006 PC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txzMElDYirw
This gen both consoles have PC components and architecture, there is no draconian hardware like last gen. Also some of you guys give too much credit to Cerny God, PS4 and X1 are almost identical they only differ on the memory and the GPU cores, it's like Cerny was building both machines.
CassidyIzABeast
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The change I don't like about Aiden is the hair coming from under the hat. Originally it looks like he had longer hair so it made sense that it would poof out like that but they chopped it in favor of giving him something closer to the bog standard hero look.
Wishmaster92
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There's a bunch of other reasons as well. PC gaming is qualitatively a different flavor of the hobby than just gaming, and people get something else out of it than just gaming.
As for price, consoles and sticky console prices do somewhat subsidize PC gaming. There's always bitching about "lazy ports", but truth be told a lot of those games are games that would never see the light of day without consoles.
Consoles and PC gaming are more symbiotic than conflicted. Both are better off because of each other.
Same reason ACM was a mess, or bioshock went through 2 games worth of content before settling on a vision; Poor business plans, development problems, and too many hands in the cookie jar.
I mean, they did delay it, did they not?
That's just nonsense. If there were no consoles people would just play on PCs.
It's like saying "without fuel nobody would ever drive a car again". You can't just take the market and subtract something from it. It's way more complex.
That PC is massively more powerful than a 360.
Sure, $400 low end PC's dragging down top of the line graphics and games.
A huge market isn't going to spring forth for bleeding edge PC's just because consoles aren't there. Either the market moves to supply demand at that price point, or the market stays small and niche.
Sorry, but that's how it works. Consoles are filling a demand that PC's have a harder time filling currently. Their large installation bases also drive a lot game development.
Does that mean PC gaming would be doomed or disappear? Hell no. But it would shrink the pie considerably and mean less for all one way or another.
No, it's like saying not everyone can afford a Lamborghini just because they're the only ones now making cars. Either a lot less cars get made, or the focus gets put on pumping out Lamborghini manufactured GEO's. Likewise consoles serve a market segment that allows PC's to do and deliver what they do best.
Brianimaniac
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Me too. Holy shit at the people comparing pics and circling things. That's serial killer behavior.
WeAreStarStuff
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Lower res effect? Btw the second image is from an almost 700mb trailer, idk why it's still looks compressed.
The motion blur on the top image is phenomenal.
Sou you are on Neogaf with your PS4 right now? Everyone has a PC. It's like saying "The PS4 cost me 2000$ because of the TV and the furniture". PC Gaming developed and now it's plug & play with Steam.
In 2015 it will even overpass all consoles combined.
We should stop talking about this in this thread.
dgrdsv
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They're not fundamentally different. They have a UMA memory but beyond that they're mostly the same h/w as in PC. And UMA doesn't do much for a game beyond saving you some copy operations and allowing to fit more data in less RAM - which isn't that big of an advantage because PCs will surpass 8 GB of both system and video RAM next year.
And don't even get me started on that "8-core" Jaguar CPU which runs effectively like a dual core i5.
There certainly is some hidden potential in both XBO and PS4 but it isn't of the same amounts as on PS2 and PS3.
I just want to add that I do not play any games on my computer. First, it's my work computer. Second it's a Mac (not that that matters). Third, it's not a gaming PC.
So I just game on dedicated hardware. And if it went away, I probably wouldn't game.
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Anyhow, I'll reserve judgment for Watch_Dogs until it comes out. If it's fun as crap, I don't care how it looks.
blastprocessor
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Given the RAM on the PS4 there's no excuse. I'd say this was last gen even.
Did you even bother looking up that sources' history? They're a PC oriented industry group that publishes favorable marketing materials and runs their own studies and surveys for whoever pays them to do so. They're basically a think tank. That graphic was also paid for by Nvidia, who has no dog in the console fight.
Anyways, believe what you want. Doesn't mean it's right.
There is some irony of it popping up yet again in a thread about shady practices and industry lying. C'est la vie!
Symax
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Was this written by two different people? You are clearly subtracting the consoles form the whole market and right after that you are writing down this statement: "You can't just take the market and subtract something from it. It's way more complex." You are just lost in your own ideology.
Yes, i have to agree with this.
It seems to be e general problem with this industry. Most people are mad about female stereotypical characters in games but the sad truth is that mostly every character displayed in multiplat AAA games looks stereotypical and boring.
TGO
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Didn't anyone think to ask if the PS4 version will look like the 2012 reveal? because they saying there is no downgrade so saying the PC version will look like the 2012 trailer and better too is kinda pointless as they don't think the two trailers are different (or say they're different) and would probably say the same for the nextgen versionsThat is exactly what was said:
PS4 will look like E3 2013
PC will look better than E3 2012
I personally don't think theres much difference anyway and we haven't seen that reveal in a new build to go by.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Sou you are on Neogaf with your PS4 right now? Everyone has a PC. It's like saying "The PS4 cost me 2000$ because of the TV and the furniture". PC Gaming developed and now it's plug & play with Steam.
In 2015 it will even overpass all consoles combined.
We should stop talking about this in this thread.
Sou you are on Neogaf with your PS4 right now? Everyone has a PC. It's like saying "The PS4 cost me 2000$ because of the TV and the furniture". PC Gaming developed and now it's plug & play with Steam.
In 2015 it will even overpass all consoles combined.
We should stop talking about this in this thread.
hahaha, joke post right?
Ok found a better source:
MMOs & Social/Casual are also part of the PC market. So we have 43% (all consoles combined) vs. 39% (single platform PC) now.
I was about to say the previous graph is games software revenue that likely includes lots of none-core gaming such as social and mmo. PC gaming is certainly growing quickly year on year, but it is hard to ever see data that isn't just an indication of absolutely everything gaming related.
Steam unfortunately doesn't publish revenue but only the growth of accounts and their use as well as games being published etc. Their business update presentation on youtube does show some pretty impressive figures on growth and their intended future plans though
On topic - do we even know what is being compared anymore? how does anyone know if this is in-game or just pre-rendered. I'd rather wait and take the twitter response for its word than draw circles on everything
KoopaTheCasual
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I didn't know PC gamers float on air and played on magic....
That's the worst analogy I've heard in a long time. Congrats.
plagiarize
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any chance you can post these full resolution? it's kind of hard to see IQ differences in a gif. my major concern at this point is the 'softness' of the 1080p high bitrate story trailer, which doesn't look like native 1080p at all.
it could be an accident in creating the video, or it could be how the game looks now. the E3 2013 footage looked native 1080p. if the game isn't native 1080p anymore on PS4, I'm not buying, espescially since they're saying the PS4 version is still the same as the E3 2013 footage. I want people to make noise about this, above any other difference. It'd be nice to get confirmation that the game is still 1080p native, because that story trailer sure as hell didn't look it.
UnluckyKate
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Dredd97
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Ok found a better source:
MMOs & Social/Casual are also part of the PC market. So we have 43% (all consoles combined) vs. 39% (single platform PC) now.
You are aware that MMO's aren't the sole domain of PC's right?
we are allowed to play them on consoles and these days...
brickarts295
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Maybe he's a Yakuza fan.
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Sou you are on Neogaf with your PS4 right now? Everyone has a PC. It's like saying "The PS4 cost me 2000$ because of the TV and the furniture". PC Gaming developed and now it's plug & play with Steam.
In 2015 it will even overpass all consoles combined.
We should stop talking about this in this thread.
That's a phenomenal joke post, there.
So you mean with a simple 32 bit cpu & a 7850 I can have the same specs of the ps4 in a pc? That's enough for me. You are not interested to hear the other opinions & call Cerny God prove how much childish you are. The same Carmack has explained more than a time how faster are the processing graphic in a specific game machines. But continue to think ps4 will never been pushed more because pc reign.
Muffdraul
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Yep, they look the same to me too... all blurry and hazy... Just like the inside of a cataract.
Wishmaster92
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Here you go:
May 10, 2013
August 1, 2013
August 21, 2013
March 6, 2014
Edit: The second shot ie: the clearest one out of all of them(besides the original screenshot) was taken from a 1.2gb .mov file.
Actually it's more comparable to three Core i5 mobile cores. That's very powerfull for a console. People underestimate how powerfull PC CPUs are these days. Mantle proofs that once draw calls are increased current CPUs are not the bottleneck. Ever seen any PC game use all cores @100% load?
Here you go:
May 10, 2013
August 1, 2013
August 21, 2013
March 6, 2014
Edit: The second shot ie: the clearest one out of all of them was taken from a 1.2gb .mov file.
Looks very similar, shame the new footage has such a low bitrate. Color grading/lightning is little different, but that happens sometimes with finalized code.
Then again, (in-game) cut scenes always look better than actual gameplay footage.
Wishmaster92
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I'm pretty sure the volatile bit would help too.
If it's anything to go by, during the e3 video when you're helping t-bone it's entirely realtime. It doesn't cut out or anything and i would say he has the same fidelity as the press screens.
plagiarize
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I've switched out your last picture from gamersyde's 254 MB 1080p video, which is just shy of 1.5 Mbps video bitrate.
That should highlight precisely what I'm concerned about, and yes, I acknowledge that we could just be talking about a 720p video that's been scaled up to 1080p for some random reason, or something similar.
But totally cause for concern, I would argue.
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I've switched out your last picture from gamersyde's 254 MB 1080p video, which is just shy of 1.5 Mbps video bitrate.
That should highlight precisely what I'm concerned about, and yes, I acknowledge that we could just be talking about a 720p video that's been scaled up to 1080p for some random reason, or something similar.
But totally cause for concern, I would argue.
reptilescorpio
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Well, at least the rating has been upgradatonned!
Now rated R18 in Australia.
Old version was rated MA
Now rated R18 in Australia.
Violence has gone up from Strong impact to High impact
Drug Use up from Mild impact to Strong impact
Sex up from Moderate impact to Strong impact
Drug Use up from Mild impact to Strong impact
Sex up from Moderate impact to Strong impact
Old version was rated MA
And the cinematics like this are the least egregious offenders. The model work still looks pretty good, and the texture resolution might just be due to a different AA implementation here. It also doesn't seem as nearly soft as the gameplay, but that could just be the because everything is in the foreground and bokeh effect is hiding anything at distance. It still shows a difference in lighting, though not nearly as drastic a change.
The pure game play on the other hand...
Betta Lines
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One of the few times we get a direct comparison of the same scene and there appears to be no downgrade, and some improvements as Ubisoft suggested. Less crushed blacks, corrected lighting in the background, more clarity of shadows on her hairline. It's only a cutscene, so many questions remain unanswered, but it's food for thought.August 21, 2013
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plagiarize
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It looks NOTHING like 1080p though. That's what I'm talking about. The IQ is notably worse in the story trailer shot.
Pfff. Numbers. Those are like facts! They have no bizzneess in the warz!
Fried Food
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Thanks for this, that one gif had me worried the spotlight was horrible. This along with some of the recent comparisons have me no longer believing the downgrade is very much if at all.
Holy shit! Australia's actually putting that R18 rating to use, instead of not using it and just banning stuff. Good work.
Now if only you could get rid of that rating board that's full of middle-aged white Christian women, and replace them with people who are more up-to-date with the current generation. NZ would thank you for it, since it's been known to affect us too.
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