MisterHero
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haha okay
Captain America 3 to square off against Batman/Superman in 2016
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Bobby Roberts
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Because that's what it is. A narrative formed around the movie within the first two weeks, and it was pretty fucking forced, but it suited the needs of the people adopting it, and the shit got pushed hard. The harder it was pushed, the more hyperbolic and divorced from reality it became, until all discussion about the movie became this tinny, shrill slapfight about "collateral damage" and "cold-blooded murder" and the Ideal of Superman or whatever.
The movie made 650 mil, got middle-of-the-road critical consensus, and was profitable enough to greenlight a sequel.
It wasn't a flop, and it wasn't critically hated, and a majority of viewers found it a decent enough film (If we're going to use Rotten Tomatoes as a measuring stick, one can't necessarily ignore the user rating, if you're going to be fair about it)
I'm using the term "narrative" because it focuses on the fact that many of the people still engaging in discussions about the movie are simply playing a game of slapjack where soundbite arguments they've already consumed somewhere else are regurgitated for easy points because the people using them want to sound smart on the internet in front of people.
You have my sword
But you think he's perfect because of his eye for visuals, not because of his sensibilities (or lack thereof) as a storyteller. That's where the issue lies for me, and why I don't think canon-accurate costumes should be a free pass for weak characterization or poor pacing.
Given that they're talking with directors now, Dr. Strange will probably be the July 2016 movie. Makes sense to give the newer property the later summer release, like Ant-Man and Guardians. Thor 3 will probably fit into their May 2017 slot, and I'm assuming that Guardians 2 will be their last movie before Avengers 3.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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Who are "we"?
Wasn't the Cinemascore on it really high, too?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Just looked it up, and yeah, it was an A-
Mighty Chin
Banned
I saw it opening night and it was terrible.
I rewatched it on Bluray and it was still terrible. Actually it got worse.
It is not as bad as Green Lantern though.
Bad movies can make a lot of money. Avatar made a lot of money and I fucking hate Avatar.
Future Foundation
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Who's "we"?
Again, so much wrong in one post.
Thor is not better than anything. It's ass. It's mediocre ass. It's Taylor Swift's ass.
It's only surpassed in its mediocrity by its sequel.
Ugh, some of you really need to learn that anything above a 50% RT is decent. This isn't grade school where below 60% is an F. It means at least half the critics liked it, and half didn't. Which is roughly about the same split I see here on GAF (excluding the hate just to hate crowd). MoS is just one of those movies where you either liked it or you didn't. Calling it the worst superhero movie "you've" ever seen may be an opinion but it's extremely hyperbolic unless you've maybe seen like 4 movies in your whole life. Get a grip. I liked MoS. It wasn't great but I got what I wanted out of it. I can also easily name 500 movies that were largely worse than it (many of them are on Netflix lol).
Either way, BvS will do amazing numbers. I do believe Marvel and DC are both retarded if they think releasing a flagship movie the same day or within a week of each other is a good idea.
Either way, BvS will do amazing numbers. I do believe Marvel and DC are both retarded if they think releasing a flagship movie the same day or within a week of each other is a good idea.
TUROK
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Eugh.
Maybe I'm crazy, but I like watching superheroes do superhero shit.
heh, it's always kind of worked out that way for me. There are exceptions of course, but more often than not, movies in the 90% range are really great, 80% pretty good, 70% solid or ok, 60% ehhh, and anything under was just flat to bad for me.
A lot of people tend to dismiss RT ratings, but they're usually spot on for me somehow.
Bobby Roberts
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I'm not saying your opinion is bullshit. You're only speaking for yourself. You haven't, so far as I can tell, claimed otherwise or done otherwise.
I like to see interesting characters do superhero shit.
He said Thor 1 which had something very important MoS didn't, interesting characters and a character arch.
Thor 2 had that as well, though less of it. It had it's failings, biggest being a weak main villain but the creativity, character designs(like Kurse) and an interesting look to the film helped.
Lol That's understandable and I can see how that could happen.
Very much.
You know they did that thing you are supposed to do... have faith in your source material, have interesting characters, stay true to what makes them them for the most par, know what type of movie you are supposed to be , have interesting villains, not have gaping plot holes several minutes into the film, have an interesting protagonist
You know that thing good comic book movies do
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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Your opinions.
I watched MoS 6 times in theater, dozens of times at home. I still like it.
it gets worse the more you think about, because you realize how bad it is.
BadAss2961
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Future Foundation
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^ Cap did.
Edit: Forgot Loki. Loki too.
Edit: Forgot Loki. Loki too.
Mighty Chin
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So do I. Superheroes save people. It gives me goosebumps.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
C'mon now. Loki was so interesting he's maybe Marvel's second most popular character in the movies right now. Or at least you could argue as such. And Hugo Weaving's Red Skull is probably THE BEST of the Marvel villains so far.
Mighty Chin
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Thank you
Future Foundation
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Then you must've loved it when Clark saved all those people from the burning oil rig.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Or saved THE WHOLE WORLD by stopping Zod.
TUROK
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Who was interesting in Thor?
I've already seen the generic "cocky character learns humility" character arc way too many times.
Yes
Loki and The Red skull are more interesting than Uninteresting Prototype Vegeta.
And what was Kal-El's arc? All he does the whole movie is do what other people say. "Don't reveal yourself, put this suit on, go save Lois, go stop Zod." And then Clark is all "OK". Compelling.
BadAss2961
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I barely see Loki as a villain. He's more comical than he is a threat.
I've only seen Cap once, but Red Skull was forgettable to me. All I really remember about him is how bad he looked in the movie. Being the best of the Marvel villains so far isn't saying much at all.
TUROK
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Never argued that it was, but I'm not the one who's trying to pass off rote as interesting.
I've seen just about every generic character arc. But to answer your question.
Thor, Loki, Odin, Erik Selvig, Heimdall, Coulson, King of the Frost Giants.
Bobby Roberts
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Maybe so, but he's definitely the villain of both Thor and The Avengers.
edit: And here comes the Dragonball bullshit. You know that for as bad as people might think Man of Steel is, Dragonball is objectively shittier in almost every way. The fact it's used as some sort of POSITIVE example of ANYTHING beyond how to make a hemmorhoid face is beyond me.
watch more movies
Chances are if people on the internet say something is complete shit, it's not even remotely as bad as they make it seem, and the things they love nowhere near as good.
I sort of liked MOS. No where near enough to bother defending it from the shellacking it gets around these parts, but the hyperbole is out of control here. It really is this weird internet narrative that in no way reflects reality.
I sort of liked MOS. No where near enough to bother defending it from the shellacking it gets around these parts, but the hyperbole is out of control here. It really is this weird internet narrative that in no way reflects reality.
Mighty Chin
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Maybe so, but he's definitely the villain of both Thor and The Avengers.
edit: And here comes the Dragonball bullshit. You know that for as bad as people might think Man of Steel is, Dragonball is objectively shittier in almost every way. The fact it's used as some sort of POSITIVE example of ANYTHING beyond how to make a hemmorhoid face is beyond me.
watch more movies
We can agree on that. The DBZ comparisons got nauseating.
Mighty Chin
Banned
OMG
Mighty Chin
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Clark done real good there. Now Superman on the other hand....
Maybe so, but he's definitely the villain of both Thor and The Avengers.
edit: And here comes the Dragonball bullshit. You know that for as bad as people might think Man of Steel is, Dragonball is objectively shittier in almost every way. The fact it's used as some sort of POSITIVE example of ANYTHING beyond how to make a hemmorhoid face is beyond me.
watch more movies
Better phrasing.
DBZ was influenced by supes so, thats where that comes from.
Next, lets be real here the movie was met with mixed feelings and a lot of people aren't going to remember this happened soon, so to help a sequel they shoved batman in it.
DBZ probably going n the minds of kids for decades to come MOS, nah breh.
BadAss2961
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Should've included Natalie Portman while you were at it. Or one of the extras that went uncredited.
Not that he could do much about it, but Elba was fucking awful in that role.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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Mighty Chin
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I'm terrible at it.
Didn't find Portman's character interesting at all, one of the problems with that series, just bad casting, doesn't make any sense why Thor would fall for her. Kat Dennings helps soften that sucky casting a little.
Disagree about Elba, he was great, even better in 2.
I think Hiddleston's Loki in Thor is actually really really good, and far more nuanced of a villain than I definitely expected.
I'm a little worried now that he's become a victim of his own popularity and -- if Thor 2 was any indicating -- is going to be, subconsciously or not, playing to the fangirl/tumblr crowd now. It's hard to explain, but something about him in Thor 2 gave away the fact that he was very aware of his own popularity, and that was informing the performance in a way.
I'm a little worried now that he's become a victim of his own popularity and -- if Thor 2 was any indicating -- is going to be, subconsciously or not, playing to the fangirl/tumblr crowd now. It's hard to explain, but something about him in Thor 2 gave away the fact that he was very aware of his own popularity, and that was informing the performance in a way.
Mighty Chin
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First it's Nstalie Portman, you don't need much more than that. You have to remember Thor may look like a Nordic meathead but he's quite smart and he see a girl very driven to understand more.
Sif's driven! What's wrong with Sif?! She's right there!
BadAss2961
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Thor might as well have been a romantic comedy. I thought that was the movie's best element.
Some of Thor's adjustment period to Earth was legitimately funny.
clay_ghost
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Sif is over 500 years old. Thor like someone younger ?
And Sif will still be there when Portman dies
Discotheque
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Nuke this thread. It's just fanboy wars now
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