Captain America 3 to square off against Batman/Superman in 2016
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MrPink93485
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On the flipside, Transformers: Dark of the Moon came off a pretty universally panned Revenge of the Fallen and blew the other two films out of the water in terms of grosses. All about dat Asia and Latin America growth though. 3D too I guess. Apparently, the US was really the only market to drop.
I'm not sure I completely buy into Man of Steel being disliked. While I don't think it has any positive momentum, I don't think it's really negative either. It's just, there. But since the upcoming film is really a first of its kind, there's a lot of factors out there that you don't typically ever account for going in that makes things a bit harder to pin down.
kame-sennin
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It really is ridiculous.
Fun fact: Dan Didio (or was it Geoff Johns) has said that Superman tends to be more popular worldwide while Batman is more popular in the states.
PhantomZone
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I loved Captain America: The First Avenger, granted the first half was much better than the second. He's also my favorite Marvel character so yeah there is a bit of bias there.
Superman is easily my favorite DC character and i have adored him in print and in tv/movie media for years.
Out of the two movies i can watch Captain America: TFA over and over again just like i can Superman, Superman II. I have no desire to revisit Man of Steel any time soon (i admit to buying it in Australia.... purely for the S shield logo that came in the packaging). After watching it several times in November i have no desire to watch it again any time soon, like Superman Returns i may only watch it once every 2-3 years IF that. Whereas i will still watch Superman I and II 2+ (usually 5) times a year.
Man of Steel was horrible, badly written, badly acted.... when you care for the main villain more than any other character you are doing something wrong. And when the best line is said by the villain and it's the line that makes the movie (which is near the end), again you are doing something wrong.
Anticitizen One
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Superman/batman will go down in history as being "that movie with the facebook guy playing lex luthor". Just a weird oddity that slowly will fade into obscurity .
DC dun goofed though. The very fact that theres even a discussion about whether Superman and Batman combined into a single movie will be able to stave off a freaking Captain America movie is just sad.
They have been a hot mess with their movies lately. MoS had me hyped with the trailers, but the movie itself was crap just like the final 2 Toby Spidermans. Marvel came through, crushed the buildings and gave these dudes the blueprint, and now here comes the team up movies. Im so pissed that Nolan is done with Batman, I feel like he was their only bright spot.
They have been a hot mess with their movies lately. MoS had me hyped with the trailers, but the movie itself was crap just like the final 2 Toby Spidermans. Marvel came through, crushed the buildings and gave these dudes the blueprint, and now here comes the team up movies. Im so pissed that Nolan is done with Batman, I feel like he was their only bright spot.
TDLink
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I think, despite America being part of his name, Captain America 3 will do fine outside of the US...as will Winter Soldier in a few weeks.
Man of Steel
Domestic: $291,045,518 43.6%
+ Foreign: $377,000,000 56.4%
= Worldwide: $668,045,518
Superman Returns
Domestic: $200,081,192 51.2%
+ Foreign: $191,000,000 48.8%
= Worldwide: $391,081,192
Dark Knight Rises
Domestic: $448,139,099 41.3%
+ Foreign: $636,300,000 58.7%
= Worldwide: $1,084,439,099
The Dark Knight
Domestic: $534,858,444 53.2%
+ Foreign: $469,700,000 46.8%
= Worldwide: $1,004,558,444
Batman Begins
Domestic: $206,852,432 55.3%
+ Foreign: $167,366,241 44.7%
= Worldwide: $374,218,673
shira
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Man of Steel had 3D and i assume huge marketing budget.
peanutbutterlatte
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I thought the title was a crossover there for a second... Anyway, there was a time when the very idea of a Captain America movie going up against a Superman/Batman crossover would have been laughable.
The first one actually did better outside of the US.
Captain America: The First Avenger
Domestic: $176,654,505 47.7%
+ Foreign: $193,915,269 52.3%
= Worldwide: $370,569,774
anotherVegan
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I'm not the only one that Cap would be in a crossover movie with Bats and Supes.
Dammit
WB is fucking up their universe to make that movie. They are doing it backwards and it's going to blow up. It's going to be a confusing mess for the audiences. Cap is going to trounce MoS. Book it.
Agreed. It's amazing that even after the enormous success of The Avengers, people keep underestimating Marvel.
Maybe because his movies aren't all that good? Or are "actual fans" not supposed to care about that and only fixate on what the costumes look like?
I was speaking more in general terms than box office grosses. I'm fully aware the Batman films were bigger than MoS and SR (seriously, who wouldn't know that
). Also, you'll note that SR had a higher foreign gross that BB while BB had the higher domestic gross, and considering the two came out around roughly the same time, that kinda supports what I said.FirstBlood
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So uh... Who gets the IMAX screens?
Exotoro
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both of them. one film will be one side of the theater, the other side will get the other film.
that's the imax experience for you
Future Foundation
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You're severely underestimating the audiences if you think they'll somehow be confused by Batman and Wonder Woman being introduced in a Superman movie.
People are talking about this shit like they're doing fucking Final Crisis w/ no build-up.
Ludicrous Speed
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Yup. Someone will move their date. I'm guessing it'll be the Superman movie.
Superhero Movie Gaf seems to believe that the general public are slobbering idiots who can't understand what are ultimately pretty simple characters without 2 or 3 movies worth of buildup.
GuitarAtomik
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I don't think this is good for either of them. Cap 3 should probably move since I think it would be the loser out of the two, but I think this goes to show how much positive buzz and confidence Disney has in Cap 2. Especially considering they've already hired the same directors for Cap 3.
immortal-joe
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I think we've confirmed by now that every Marvel movie post-Avengers will gain a boost since audiences want to keep track of shit leading up to Avengers 2. So next month's sequel is guaranteed a bump of 50% minimum over the original.
Also, this is NOT Batman, it's Batfleck.
Also, this is NOT Batman, it's Batfleck.
Yeah...if Cap2 turns out to be really good and box office hit, it's BvS that will end up moving.
MrPink93485
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The movie could very well fuck up any future plans. I don't think any major effects would happen until the movie after. As long as this is marketed properly, and WB will do so, it will do quite well, because it's going to open huge and even with shit legs, you can still make a killing before you really start seeing it affect your grosses. Captain America isn't going to trounce a Batman/Superman movie. But it can beat it. But, it's going to need to be really good, it's going to have to prove that Captain America can be a monster hit overseas (all eyes on Winter Soldier), and it's going to need a leggy run.
Good question. My guess would be they would split them, however, Batman/Superman would claim more showings/night time shows. WB has some deal/pact with IMAX that usually allows them to get favorable scheduling. But since this will be a moot point anyway...
If the two do come out the same weekend - which they won't, since I think it's already been said WB is moving World's Finest to the week before - I think WF will be the bigger out of the two opening weekend. Depending on quality, Cap will likely gross higher overall. Cap is sure to please as it will probably be another perfectly adequate Marvel flick, but WF's quality is going to be a wildcard (unlike most here, I'm not convinced it's going to be a hit or a trainwreck).
Any word on whether Bats/Supes will be 3D? I imagine it will be because MoS was. Cap 3 will definitely be 3D. It'll be interesting to see how 3D screenings will work out in places with few 3D screens.
Although this is 2 year away so things will likely change in terms of screens.
Although this is 2 year away so things will likely change in terms of screens.
Calamari41
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Batman/Superman will make a lot of money, don't get me wrong. But people in the general public are going to see Ben Affleck in a Batman suit during a commercial and literally laugh. If it were Baleman, I would predict a trillion dollar gross. But Affleck? Big question mark as to the top end.
Seein' both. Likely back to back. Then I'm gonna return home and shag my, then, girlfriend because I'll be filled with so much nerdgasm.
Bobby Roberts
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I've always liked you, Rei.
Everyone in the thread w/ experience creating a cinematic universe beyond paying to watch someone else do it, raise your hand.
It's an issue that seems to exist more for fans than the actual movie goers. When was the last time you heard someone say, "I didn't understand Avengers because I never saw Hulk"?
SonicMegaDrive
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But what if Batman/Superman turns out to be shit?
After Man of Steel, that's a definite possibility.
Bobby Roberts
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Firstly: Quality doesn't enter into it when we're talking opening weekends. Never has, never will. So continuing to draw any sort of correlation between quality of film and how much money it's going to make is kind of silly.
Secondly: Movies don't just appear in theaters. There are deals made between distributors and exhibitors, and those deals aren't BASIC. There are guarantees built into how many screens a movie gets, how long those movies stay on those screens, and how the profit gets split between theater and studio over the course of that run.
So regardless the idea that World's Finest could be shitty (it could) or Captain America 3 could win an Oscar (it might, who knows) the simple fact is there's probably no way theaters cut amenable deals with both Disney AND Warner Brothers that give NEITHER studio preferred treatment over who gets what screens for how long. There simply aren't enough screens.
And that's not even taking into account the OTHER studios who will have movies running, and will be running movies AFTER that weekend. Their deals/schedules have to be recognized and accounted for as well.
Warners is going to move World's Finest.
Secondly: Movies don't just appear in theaters. There are deals made between distributors and exhibitors, and those deals aren't BASIC. There are guarantees built into how many screens a movie gets, how long those movies stay on those screens, and how the profit gets split between theater and studio over the course of that run.
So regardless the idea that World's Finest could be shitty (it could) or Captain America 3 could win an Oscar (it might, who knows) the simple fact is there's probably no way theaters cut amenable deals with both Disney AND Warner Brothers that give NEITHER studio preferred treatment over who gets what screens for how long. There simply aren't enough screens.
And that's not even taking into account the OTHER studios who will have movies running, and will be running movies AFTER that weekend. Their deals/schedules have to be recognized and accounted for as well.
Warners is going to move World's Finest.
After the new writer it's not
SonicMegaDrive
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After the new writer it's not
I hope you're right. But I'm not holding my breath.
phazedplasma
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Cap 2 is slotted to make 80+ million opening weekend. Cap 3 will make more. Also Batman and Supes will probably get delayed again.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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New thread? This seems worthy of an UPRISING!
That's like Microsoft releasing Halo 4 on November 6th instead of November 7th (11/7 -> 117 -> Master Chief).
After the new writer it's not
Better then having Snyder's co-written script go untouched.
I was speaking more in general terms than box office grosses. I'm fully aware the Batman films were bigger than MoS and SR (seriously, who wouldn't know that
So the only favorable comparison, from 2005 and 2006 proves your point when any other more recent comparison doesn't and you have the gall to say it supports what you said? Give me a fucking break.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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The last time Snyder co-wrote something... We all know what happened.
*fistbump*I've always liked you, Rei.
Never. Never ever have I heard this complaint. And it's not surprising. The Avengers made soooo much more money than all preceding Marvel movies you have to believe that a good number of people who saw it never saw the other movies and still enjoyed themselves.
Some fans have spent so much time following these continuities that they just can't fathom someone new being able to understand it without doing homework.
The reason I say BB vs SR proves my point is that those two were on a more evening playing field. Both were reboots of previous franchises that ended on lukewarm notes, both came out around roughly the same time. Conversely, comparing MoS to DK/DKR means comparing a reboot to a poorly received movie with its own so/so word of mouth to two massive sequels, the former of which is often called the greatest superhero movie ever. They're not the same.
Besides, it not like I pulled the "Superman tends to be more popular worldwide" thing out of my ass. It came straight from Dan Didio, Co-Publisher of DC Comics (in other words, someone who has access to a lot of market statistics and other data the public doesn't get that would cause him to feel comfortable saying that), during an interview. So if you don't agree, take it up with him, I guess.
MutonCommander
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Yeah, WB is going to move Batman-Superman to another date.
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