No, the RA would have never had to call the police, if they verify in anyway that there was alcohol anywhere in the room then they would have to document it and the school would deal with the matter internally. The RAs may have felt that they needed to call the police to get into the room (the owners of the room have the right to decline entry to both the RAs and the police by the way) but they should have just told the residents to cut the party now and dropped it there, you don't need to catch every single freshman that decides to drink red-handed.
I called in a party to the RA, police showed up
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No, the RA would have never had to call the police, if they verify in anyway that there was alcohol anywhere in the room then they would have to document it and the school would deal with the matter internally. The RAs may have felt that they needed to call the police to get into the room (the owners of the room have the right to decline entry to both the RAs and the police by the way) but they should have just told the residents to cut the party now and dropped it there, you don't need to catch every single freshman that decides to drink red-handed.
Darkmakaimura
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I don't get why cops are called for situations like that. It's a complete overreaction. Was there pot smoke emanating from the room or something?
It's a complicated situation. On one hand, I don't blame the OP especially if he/she had to work or study the next day. Even on a pseudo-holiday weekend, people still have important things to do. However, I'm not one to pass up a party with alcohol with good friends, so I do feel they got a shit end of the stick too, though not entirely OP's fault especially since he didn't call the cops.
I would think the best thing would have been for this group of party-goers to hit up a bar. I don't know what the closing time for bars are in OP's area (I live in Vegas and they're almost all 24hrs here) but that would have been the better option. They probably didn't because of financial reasons but they should have known that partying in a dorm around other people who are trying to sleep may cause problems.
Also, OP going to knock on their door asking them to keep quiet could have been an option but realize if they continued to be loud and he called the RA, they would have known for sure who tipped them off and then OP would have some legitimate worries.
It's a complicated situation. On one hand, I don't blame the OP especially if he/she had to work or study the next day. Even on a pseudo-holiday weekend, people still have important things to do. However, I'm not one to pass up a party with alcohol with good friends, so I do feel they got a shit end of the stick too, though not entirely OP's fault especially since he didn't call the cops.
I would think the best thing would have been for this group of party-goers to hit up a bar. I don't know what the closing time for bars are in OP's area (I live in Vegas and they're almost all 24hrs here) but that would have been the better option. They probably didn't because of financial reasons but they should have known that partying in a dorm around other people who are trying to sleep may cause problems.
Also, OP going to knock on their door asking them to keep quiet could have been an option but realize if they continued to be loud and he called the RA, they would have known for sure who tipped them off and then OP would have some legitimate worries.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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If they were also getting noise complaints from people on an upper floor, it was just a matter of time.
I've been outa school for three years and I still cant get into a normal sleep schedule.
The Artful Dodger
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Only time I ever pulled the "turn that shit down" card was after 3 AM when I had work the next morning.
Pssh, when I was a freshmen, I denied access to my room too if anyone came knocking. Then just calmly put all the drinks away and then go out for a stroll right past whoever was trying to gain entrance. They definitely aren't getting in without you there and, as long as you're roommate knows what is up, he will probably do the same.
andthebeatgoeson
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It doesn't. They called the police for drinking, a noise disturbance, refusing to open the door and follow the rules.
Can we remove the blame from the OP now? If they ain't opening the door for the RA, they are not giving any fucks for the OP if he showed up at the door. Blame them for escalating this.
No remorse, no mercy.
You don't need to associate with delinquents. They get weeded out, fortunately, but unfortunately a few pass by.
You don't need to associate with delinquents. They get weeded out, fortunately, but unfortunately a few pass by.
Personally, I never blamed the OP, I still think the RAs are the shitheads here.
Fatal Futanari
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Well all the OP had to do is knock on the door and ask them to be quiet.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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At which point it seems they would have either ignored him or told him to fuck off.
1) At least he would have tried on his own and 2) that's a hefty assumption, I knew plenty of people that were a-ok treating the RAs like shit and being totally cool with anyone else.
Fatal Futanari
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Well we will never know that right?
The reason why they probably didnt want to open the door is because there is a slight chance you can get kicked out of the dorms for underaged drinking or if they were doing other things. Technically, you dont HAVE to let your RA into your room without a probable cause. If the Campus PD comes, they can come in.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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1) Others had already complained (according to the OP's update)
2) Note the word "seems"
You don't have to let either in during a situation like this. It is your living environment which means that probable cause isn't even enough for the police either, they would need to get a warrant if they were really adamant about it.
Testicular Sound Express
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Its the weekend. wtf
Fatal Futanari
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That all depends on the agreement you signed when you moved in. The way I described it was how it was at my university. Campus PD had the right to go into any room (which helped when I would lock myself out of my room lol)
Depends on your contract doesn't it?
Cool, and? Multiple people going to the RA and not trying to address the situation themselves makes the whole thing even worse.
That's not how that works. I don't care what they had you sign (or what you think you signed), it can't go against law and the police can't just waltz into your living space without your permission unless they follow very specific protocols.
GremlinFool
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By your definition of delinquents, delinquents literally run every single impactful organization and company in the United States and virtually across the world. A delinquent is the leader of the free world right now, and delinquents have occupied his post for centuries and more.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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What's the point of having RAs?
A last resort after trying to deal with situations yourself. I wasn't anybody's dad when I was an RA, college is a time for you to learn to stand up on your own, not an extension of your home life where someone else was always ready and willing to pick up the slack for you.
The Artful Dodger
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Passive Aggressive state of mind.
Fatal Futanari
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Well that was the rules for my university. Its not like Campus PD was getting called every night. It was a rare thing.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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The point of having RAs is "Passive Agressive state of mind?"
Not everybody does confrontation well. I thought mediation was one thing RAs were good for.
andthebeatgoeson
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Not sure why you assume they would give a single fuck about the op and his standing. They refused to obey a RA. The outcome has to lead us to question their ability to respond to the Op.
GremlinFool
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What happens when you're 23 and you don;t "do confrontation well"? Will the police be called in at every instant to help mediate in situations that will arise on a literally daily basis? Or should old college RAs be kept on speed dial just in case?
Now, the fact that the partiers refused to answer the RA is a problem, but I have a sense that the OP is withholding a lot of information given that this sort of situation has been defused by a brief conversation every time I've encountered it in my life.
These are the same idiots that end up owning subwoofers while living in an apartment, and get annoyed when all the "squares" living around them put in noise complaints to the landlord or call the police on them constantly. Clearly no one works on the weekend or wants to catch up on sleep.
There are just a lot of people who are inconsiderate of those around them, or assume that if they're loud then everyone will be loud to counter act the noise. I even had some asshole living above me basically tell me "living in an apartment is all about being loud!".
Altered Juice
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op is a snitch
If you were in the US either a lot of people were misinformed or you were lied to. When PD showed up if you told them they couldn't go into the room, then they couldn't go into the room. It's ok, we tried to hide that from our residents as well.
Confrontation is a skill just like any other and what better place to learn it than in college. Mediation is one of the many roles an RA can fill but that still doesn't make it any less needed that people should be trying to handle their own business first. An RA is not a service provider, they aren't someone you can just clal over because you can't do it yourself.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Fatal Futanari
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Alot of people dont like the RAs (unless they are laidback). OP had a better chance of quieting them down instead of the RAs.
DragonSworne
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You mean from average to still average but now annoying?
-- Gee, sounds like you were just there for the free housing.
GremlinFool
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Sounds like a kick-ass RA to me.
John Rabbit
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lot of apartment properties around here (Phoenix-Metro) have policies about not directly confronting your neighbors when it comes to noise/disturbance complaints. obviously they can't strictly enforce it, but they encourage you to contact the front office during business hours or the security patrol during after hours for any kind of issue with another tenant. direct confrontation is just asking for somebody to get over-sensitive and sue or cause an even bigger mess.
not saying immediately jumping to a phone call is the right answer, but it's not just college dorms that have this kind of policy.
It was certainly a nice perk and I was the laidback sort but if that is what you have the problem with then you are mistaken, that was, specifically, how we were trained (and how a lot of the country was trained as well based on the national conference thing that I went to).
Fatal Futanari
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Like I said, it was in our agreement we signed. I went to a private university if that makes a difference.
lol now the OP is twisting things because it turns out that his situation differs from yours?
PwnCakes193
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OP, have you ever heard of something called using your words and talking to people like an adult?
This thread is a fascinating window into the personalities of some GAF members and how they spent their college life. Thanks OP!
You think the OP is withholding information because of a personal anecdote? Sounds like you're looking for something to persecute him with.
You think the OP is withholding information because of a personal anecdote? Sounds like you're looking for something to persecute him with.
And like I said, a contract is void if something in it is illegal. Everyone (well, not everyone but a majority) who rents apartments is living on private property and the leaseholder can't just toss into the lease "oh yeah, and this group that I specify can just walk right into your place whenever they want." I'm 99% certain you either misunderstood what your housing contract said or are just going off of info you heard from somewhere. I highly doubt a university is just tossing around a contract that is so open to a lawsuit.
What a shitty world we live in where you are being encouraged to not interact with your neighbors.
GremlinFool
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Not looking to do anything except get more information on the situation.
andthebeatgoeson
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I can understand not liking the RAs but needing 4 of them and the cops?
I don't like some authority but know the limits. To me, there is a huge chance the op only gets into a verbal fight with the party guys and now they know who he is, that he 'snitched' and possibly harass him during the year.
That's why my wife was an RA. And her floor loved it. I hated the RAs that babied students. We got written up for having a Super Bowl party 1 fucking minute after the quiet time hours started. Seriously. They just waited outside the door to go "ok time to report."
Then you should ask instead of accusing the OP of withholding info.
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