Never said they had to, thanks for the input though.
DirectX 12 GDC 2014 presentation: Low-Level Access, DX11 GPUs, Holiday 2015
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Never said they had to, thanks for the input though.
No, the problem is people losing it at anyone that dares to dislike it!
Saying that people that don't like it fall under
Is saying that!
See above.
Chance Hale
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I don't see anyone losing it, just people like yourself cursing in all caps and bold type.
StudioTan
Hold on, friend! I'd love to share with you some swell news about the Windows 8 Metro UI! Wait, where are you going?
Right, much better to lose it on people who disagree with that person!
Fair call, I forgot I had wrote that, it is a valid statement though.
As long as no one is getting all nutso a simple conversation about the reasoning as to why people don't like Windows 8 can't hurt, if anything they might realise that it isn't quite what they thought or find out how to do something that was annoying them.
I'm pretty happy with Windows 8[.1] and Classic Shell, too, but there are both some some minor advantages and some minor disadvantages to the Windows 8 desktop interface; after 8.1 but before Classic Shell, the biggest downsides to me are the the start button placement (I've thought the taskbar on the bottom was a mistake since 95), the difficult to access power settings (though the charms menu), and the Metro/Modern default file associations. Classic Shell solves the first two, and the last is the least severe problem -- it only applies for viewing PDFs and pictures and could be resolved by installing 3rd party viewers.
On the other hand, performance and superior hardware compatibility/functionality, and better system tools as well as unified notifications, Skydrive integration, a cleaner desktop theme, and the like are all benefits of Windows 8 (albeit relatively minor for my purposes).
The Power menu and file associations are silly, I had to change everything to open with the normal programs. You can right click on the start button and find the power options there as well, the right click menu on the start button is very useful.
I agree with the Task Bar placement, I have always preferred the way Apple and Linux place the System Menu at the top of the screen, I guess you can move the Windows one if you want.
Fair call, I forgot I had wrote that, it is a valid statement though.
As long as no one is getting all nutso a simple conversation about the reasoning as to why people don't like Windows 8 can't hurt, if anything they might reaslise that it isn't quite what they thought or find out how to do something that was annoying them.
But it's not a valid statement though, tons of people that have used Windows 8 don't like it (myself included).
You even say in your post that you do not think metro is good for the desktop, yet it is the main feature of the OS.
Finding ways to work around it (with things like classic shell and start8) do not mean the OS is good, just that the main feature is so bad you have to work around it with third party programs.
And do not forget that without people saying how much they dislike metro and voting with their wallets, MS would not give a shit about changing or replacing it.
I did say that, but you don't need external work rounds, you just hit the option to show a full list of apps instead of the tiles on a Desktop and to log directly to the Desktop. I actually prefer the Apps list over the Start Menu, but that is just personal preference.
The metro UI does work very well with my Surface, Microsoft just need to keep working on it and refining it in a way that makes everyone happy. The live tile system could work for Desktops as well, it just needs to be more thought out.
AstuteClass
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Windows 8 is garbage. I downgraded my laptop to 7 instantly. Windows 7 is Microsoft's magnum opus of operating systems.
Chance Hale
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It's not the main feature of the desktop. The desktop is the main feature and it works like it always had, the third party apps are just for people who want a start menu in line with other Windows. I personally haven't used the start menu in years so Metro is a welcome change.
And Microsoft always consistently improves Windows, that's how they keep people using it. Service packs, updates, and so on. People shouldn't try to pretend most consumers know what they're talking about or doing in regards to computers though.
And that's the problem. Rather than taking a brief period to see how Windows 8 is a heavily improved and optimized successor to windows 7, people choose to overreact.
That is hardly the start menu though and it seems to have a fair amount of problems (like having all the program folders expanded and no way of removing the windows RT programs that take up the left hand side of the screen without uninstalling them).
The way to make everyone happy is really simple, change the UI based on if it sees input from a mouse and keyboard or a touch screen (or at least have an option to switch between the two).
Metro is the main new feature of the OS.
Just because you can avoid touching Metro not change that it is the main new feature and it replaced something lots of people used and liked.
The reason people keep using it is due to the amount of programs that support it, the number of companies having it preinstalled on computers they sell and an interface people are use to (that
metro takes away).
Nothing to do with windows being the greatest OS or people liking what MS is doing to it.
On the topic of this thread and what versions of windows it will support, I just hope that by the time it comes out Win9 will be out and it having fixes to all of MS's missteps (I somewhat doubt it though).
SapientWolf
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If the initial W8 user experience is overwhelmingly negative to experienced Windows users then that's on MS, not the users.
AstuteClass
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What? No. I already had my "fun" with Windows 8 long before I bought my most recent laptop.
I find it more amazing that you're leaning on the false premise that all changes are good.
dragonelite
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exmachina64
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Hi, thanks for hijacking my point about Microsoft's DirectX release support for older versions of Windows to start a flame war. I really appreciate it.
To illustrate:
DirectX 10 was exclusive to Windows Vista.
DirectX 11 was released for Windows Vista and Windows 7.
DirectX 11.1 was exclusive to Windows 7 and Windows 8.
DirectX 11.2 was exclusive to Windows 8.1.
In the modern history of Windows, no major release of DirectX has been supported for more than the current version of Windows and its immediate predecessor.
If I've somehow managed to misinterpret the chart here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX, please feel free to respond in another post that doesn't relate to the quote.
It's adorable how MisterX doesn't understand that the term 'hardware layers' is talking about HAL and not physical layers in a chip. His technical illiteracy is undoing him.
curlycare
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I really haven't followed this guys actions, other than few weird mentions here on gaf, so is this dude serious? I mean he can't be, right? Tell me he's just trolling his followers, please!
Only 1080p at 60fps on a GTX Titan Black? Disappointed.
From 'The Blog'
Insider: Wait till amd have there discussion about there new gpu architecture later today...
albert is wrong.. there not dual staked gpus.. there is a dx core app and dx12 gpu with dual logic. Ms internal "term" layered hardware soc.
Nda ... people can make a flame war about this.. mark this blog .. for build 2014 and e3 2014.. I ant going anywhere ill stick by this blog and this information. Mrx you know
REMEMBER CITADEL
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Almost, here's the corrected list:
Windows 95: Great
Windows 98: Even better, especially SE
Windows ME: Lol wut
Windows XP: Awesome, everybody loves it.
Windows Vista: Nope nope nope nope nope
Windows 7: Best Windows OS to date
Windows 8: No, thanks, unless you use it on a tablet
Windows 8.1: Pretty good if you ignore the Modern interface for the most part
Windows 9: Heaven knows
Halph n Halph
Member
What in the absolute **** does that even mean?
No, just NO.
Windows XP was hated when it was released. Driver problems, poor performance, changes to interface - everything Vista and 8 were hated for. Windows XP became good after Service Pack 2.
EDIT:
And just as I predicted, mr X didn't stop despite the evidence that there's no stacked GPU in Xbox One. Now, it's all about DX12 and stereo drivers.
What an absolute bullshit thing to say. Oh well, Xbox fans needs a new straw thread to hold on to.
lighthouse777
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I agree with you
I have 8.1 on two devices and I love it
I use mainly the desktop side
and its just like any other desktop
I also like the fact programs are under apps, they are easier to find
dgrdsv
Member
You forgot Windows 2000.
And if we're counting 8.1 then we probably should also count every SP for every Windows since 2000.
Basically - this idea is stupid.
PlayStationboy
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But if you had a broken throttle or something blocking it from letting you floor it, then wouldn't fixing it help your car run faster? Developers were vocal about how drivers needed a lot of work on Xbox One. This means the gap in some of the games were bigger than what the hardware difference caused.
Assuming PS4's solution was just as good all along, now the difference should be 1:1 with the hardware instead of additional downgrades due to bad drivers. For the optimistic X1 fans, if this improves beyond what Sony has in place, then the gap can be closed a bit more than the current physical gap.
Judging by comments, it seems that Sony never had an issue to begin with and MS is now just catching up. Either way, overall good news for Xbone fans.
Oh, goodness guys, the list was not intended to be a hard and fast rule. I was just going off of what I remember the general consensus of each one was.
And I'm not the first to make that list either, so I'm not alone in noticing a loose pattern there.
I misunderstood. I thought you were talking about windows itself.
Oh, and um, I don't think 11.1 is on Windows 7.
And I'm not the first to make that list either, so I'm not alone in noticing a loose pattern there.
I misunderstood. I thought you were talking about windows itself.
Oh, and um, I don't think 11.1 is on Windows 7.
No. Absolutely 100% incorrect. The UI was similar but 2000 used the NT kernel and was a server OS. It was massively better than ME (and all the other consumer versions of Windows which were still just shells running on top of DOS until XP).
ashecitism
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NemesisPrime
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2015? Nice... will get a brand new PC then with my new Oculus. Tasty!
DirectX 12 will also add new features for next-gen GPUs
http://techreport.com/news/26210/directx-12-will-also-add-new-features-for-next-gen-gpus
So I'm just guessing here that these new yet-to-be-announced features won't show up in hardware on Nvidia GPUs at least until 2nd generation Maxwell on 20nm later this year, going into 2015, and won't be fully exposed until DX12 / Direct3D12 is released much later in 2015.
Is that a reasonable guess ?
http://techreport.com/news/26210/directx-12-will-also-add-new-features-for-next-gen-gpus
So I'm just guessing here that these new yet-to-be-announced features won't show up in hardware on Nvidia GPUs at least until 2nd generation Maxwell on 20nm later this year, going into 2015, and won't be fully exposed until DX12 / Direct3D12 is released much later in 2015.
Is that a reasonable guess ?
The real question: is the Xbox One full DX12 compatible? (hopefully yes; probably not)
geordiemp
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Since the xbox one reveal and DRM, cloud processing, 'balance' etc I don't believe in much what MS says anymore, its like the kid in the playground boasting rubbish and they get to a point where its 'whatever'.
Wake me up when a third party game is released that is a reasonable benchmark where we can compare against Ps4 and some improvements are made.
Last one was MGS ground zero and that was no better than the Ghosts difference.
In the DF interview with the XB1 architects they said their GPU was from the Sea Islands family, so unless the other GPUs in that range are also fully DX12 compatible I'd doubt it (while the GPU is supposedly 'custom' I'd expect that to be on a macro level (number and placement of components, memory etc.), I doubt MS modified the building blocks (CUs, ROPs etc.) at all).
Fingers crossed for programmable blending operations with new GPUs.
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I didn't, but Windows 2000 was not meant to be a consumer OS, it was a successor to the Windows NT line (which was somewhat merged with the consumer line in Windows XP) and a predecessor to the Windows Server line.
dgrdsv
Member
It's as much a consumer OS as XP which isn't much different from it beside the fluffy interface.
The main difference is that software wasn't optimized enough for NT kernel in times of 2k and this changed by the time XP came out.
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It was never being pushed as one, though.
Yes.
you forgot windows 98se, me, 2000. come on son.
Also
Looks real simple...
So basically DirectX 12 are just like new drivers, right?
Lol, no. Maxwell is a myth I tell you!