To be fair I was raised Jewish so I'm familiar with stigmas about persecution complexes, but! I do think this "persecution" really does exist. I'm plenty of sure Nintendo "fanboys" are equally guilty of being true to stereotypes of them.
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What will Nintendo do at E3 2014?
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To be fair I was raised Jewish so I'm familiar with stigmas about persecution complexes, but! I do think this "persecution" really does exist. I'm plenty of sure Nintendo "fanboys" are equally guilty of being true to stereotypes of them.
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Tidesofblood
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They wont show up, E3 is for companies that have presence and that are doing well. Nintendo Direct is for giving people hope that cling to Nintendo's sinking ship of a console. 3DS is ok though, its the one thing Nintendo did right in terms of software (hardware blooows).
I hope they do a full conference. We know Zelda U is happening there, and if the announcement is made by Iwata in a white room I will feel a little bit deflated. I love Nintendo Directs because they occasionally release huge bits of news and big game announcements, outside of expected venues. But at the end of the day it's not the same as seeing them on stage.
Aaronrules380
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Nintendo's e3 direct was referenced by every source for e3 news other than those that only covered one company. If you actively followed e3 at all, you were aware of it. It wasn't even at a different time than normal. To a consumer who is not in the press, there was literally zero difference between watching a stream directly from Nintendo and watching it on ign/other gaming site. And those sites DID cover it as I've said, so if someone couldn't be bothered to switch to the Nintendo stream, they had no interest in Nintendo news in the first place
So you're saying that the WiiU would be doing amazing if they had a conference at E3 last year? They had the WiiU at two E3s before that....
Wat...
God, why is it Nintendo topics that get the craziest?
Then why is Sony going?
Its a fun yearly expo to celebrate the gaming industry. Grammies, CES, Oscars and so on can be reasoned away too.
perfectchaos007
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Rösti;105635906 said:Didn't they say they would/could integrate gaming with QOL?
Badass I can get screened for cancer too?! Nintendo could save so many lives
Could you imagine if the QoL was really just a giant game of Trauma Team? That would be amazing.
Aaronrules380
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They were at e3. They just didn't have a stage conference. Instead they did the direct (which was publicized at every source for e3 news and was called an E3 direct even) and did a different event for the press that could more intimately show off their games. Why does it being a press conference change anything? The news would have been the same and the audience would have been the same. I'm not going to say more people would have watched a direct, but I will say it would have been pretty much the same either way
TheGreatMightyPoo
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You forgot a few words.
MikeXXIeaf
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If E3 was an unrecorded event and we were in pre-internet times I'd agree. As long as the information spreads then the mission is accomplished. Iwata could stand on a crate and record via a handy cam and sites would still report on what games were announced. You'd still see threads on here about their new games, and you'd still see the news trend around the internet. You're putting too much focus on the E3 stage specifically, does it mean that much to you?
That's a valid point, but I don't think it's simply about the dissemination of information. Again, what would be the point of a Nintendo Direct, in that case? If it was just about the goal, they'd send a bunch of press releases and be done with it.
The purpose of E3 (and Directs, to a lesser degree) is the anticipation, the spectacle, the hype. It's to get gamers excited about what a company has to offer and to inform more casual consumers on what the companies have to offer and to get them excited as well through the biggest video game stage of the year: an E3 conference. Especially for the big three, that's where all eyes are on them for approximately an hour and where they can flaunt their stuff.
The spectacle leaves a bigger impact on people's thoughts and impressions of what they've seen. The excitement surrounding the whole thing makes people's anticipation for what they've seen much more significant than if they had watched something through a Youtube video posted out of nowhere. It might not be as important for the enthusiast crowd than the casual one (though I think it is), but E3 is the chance for them to truly show why people need to be excited for a company's upcoming projects.
Not being on the big stage is pathetic. It ensures that mostly those who are already invested in Nintendo get interested or excited for what they've had to show through a non-functional Nintendo Direct or something similar and unexciting. It ensures that those who actually show up to the big stagewhether their showing is embarrassing, hilarious, exciting or whateverwill foreshadow Nintendo without a doubt. "Ravi drums" might have been embarrassingly memorable, but "memorable" is the important part and it made everyone know that "Wii Music" was a thing.
This! When I think about it, the last couple of years were really an AAA ultra-violent, shooter-centric wank-fest, with akward moments in the vein of geoff keighley chearing on the pretty gross Last of Us "shot to the face" scene and saying something like "Yeah, that was awesome!", if I remember correctly.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I want to see live reactions to Zelda U
And Majora's Mask 2. When Iwata introduces something I immediately feel unhyped.
That's cool but it shouldn't be Reggie introducing Zelda, it should be Bill Trinen.
Why should consumers want to see Nintendo news? If you're into marketing, you'd know that a great/grand presentation is more favorable and puts a more positive/bold image of a company. Having Iwata monotonously talking over a white screen showing off little games didn't help their image, which needs to be repaired.
No but games that "people ignored" because it "wasn't a rehashed FPS" would've gotten more attention, like Wonderful 101. I didn't know one person that bothered to watch the Nintendo Direct, all people were talking about was that "Nintendo wasn't showing up at E3," regardless of the real facts.
MikeXXIeaf
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You're talking up E3 as if it still has the sanctity it had two generations ago, it doesn't. Period. It is not the same. Casual consumers aren't checking in with their popcorn to see the exciting future of video games. They're receiving the into second hand.
You're right, Nintendo Directs and E3 are essentially the same but Directs lack the pageantry and shilling that naturally comes with E3. It's just games. The same core fans and press tune in as they would E3. No one looked at Nintendo's absence and thought, "why bother watching them outside of E3?" They just went to Nintendo's website.
So people's willful stupidity is their fault? Nintendo made it abundantly clear what they were doing.
If people are too thick to get it, how does Nintendo change that? Do they go house to house and say "HEY! IDIOT! WE ARE HAVING A PRESS CONFERENCE AT E3! IT JUST WON'T BE ON A WOODEN STAGE!"
TheGreatMightyPoo
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The odds of Zelda being scrapped are around 1%
Just because messageboard users say the Wii U is dead and games in the making for years will be cancelled doesn't mean Nintendo thinks so and will.
MikeXXIeaf
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What's grand about standing on a stage? The average knucklehead might fall for that but he's not watching E3 to begin with. Enthusiasts are the ones tuning in, no?
What image is provided of a company when you have 2 companies bringing out their big guns on a grand stage with all new consoles and promises, when to the average consumer, you just see a person talking monotonously over a white screen while a few trailers pop up? Are people so dense that they don't get that this type of stuff exists? "Mainstream" people watch E3, however the only mention of Nintendo was that "they weren't there."*
It really did devalue their brand image, something that is insanely real in marketing, something Nintendo desperately needs.
*Yes for the nth time I know they were there, but "mainstream" word was that they weren't
Lots and lots of my friends talk about E3. And they're the crowd that solely buys things like Fifa,CoD, and Smash Bros.
so Nintendo should pander to an audience that willfully deceives itself to continue the narrative of their choosing? yeah that has a 0% chance of backfiring
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Great anecdotical evidence.
No one outside of hardcore are going to skip work or stay up all night to watch a press conference for games. Most of them are just going to visit the big sites like Ign , that's were they see going the Nintendo news.
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Best they can do is just double down on their core games.
Hype the hell out of Mario Kart (if it's not released already as it may be if the Amazon date change is right), Smash Bros, X, Bayonetta 2 etc.
Show a lot of Zelda U if they have much to show. Hopefully have a big new game or two to announce like Metroid.
At least get their fanbase riled up some more. There's not much they can do to appeal to mainstream/core gamers outside their fanbase. They just don't have the development teams to make the shooters, sports sims, WRPGs, open world sandbox games (GTA, Infamous type stuff) etc. etc. that appeals to that market.
Hype the hell out of Mario Kart (if it's not released already as it may be if the Amazon date change is right), Smash Bros, X, Bayonetta 2 etc.
Show a lot of Zelda U if they have much to show. Hopefully have a big new game or two to announce like Metroid.
At least get their fanbase riled up some more. There's not much they can do to appeal to mainstream/core gamers outside their fanbase. They just don't have the development teams to make the shooters, sports sims, WRPGs, open world sandbox games (GTA, Infamous type stuff) etc. etc. that appeals to that market.
I do not believe this. I don't know whatever "sanctity" E3 had two generations ago compared to today, but I have no idea where you're getting the information that casual consumers are not viewing E3 as it happens live.
You're just talking about the core fans and press, not the people who could be influenced outside of this bubble. Most people were talking about how "Nintendo wasn't at E3" while the hardcore Nintendo fans were angrily typing about how "Nintendo WAS at E3", but the point is they lacked presence because they weren't on the stage.
People have seemed to convince themselves that it's a good thing if Nintendo gets as little attention cast on them as possible. That's fine, they can just appeal to the relatively small, established fan base that pays attention to what they have to show and will get excited regardless. I'm sure that will help their 3DS and Wii U conundrum a whole lot.
astrogamer
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Just looking over their teams
EAD1-basically Mario Kart- Mario Kart 8 will have just released so no
EAD2- Animal Crossing and Wii sports- probably going to reveal AC for Wii U and maybe another sport for Wii Sport Club
EAD3- Zelda- going to show Zelda U
EAD4- pikmin 3 and NSMB- i don't know what they could show for E3, maybe Pikmin 3 dlc but probably nothing
EAD5- Wii Fit Star Fox3D and Steel Diver(with Vitei)- maybe Star Fox
EAD Tokyo1-Zelda remakes- maybe Majora's Mask 3D
EAD Tokyo2- SM3DW and NES Remix- maybe another digital game/3D World DLC, probably nothing
SPD1-Metroid,Warioware,Rhythm Heaven- I'm hoping Rhythm Heaven, maybe metroid
SPD2-Japanese Collabs-Bayonetta 2, Hyrule Warriors
SPD3-Western Collabs- as of right now nothing announced
SPD4- Party, Camelot & Alphadream- as of right now nothing announced
SDD-Band Brothers & Brain Age- not sure
NST- Mario v DK- maybe Mario v DK U like the demo from GDC but that would probably be a smaller Nintendo Direct
Intelligent Systems- We'll probably see SMT x Fire Emblem, maybe Paper Mario U, Advance Wars
HAL Labs- since they had just finish Kirby TD, we shouldn't expect to see much from them
Nd Cube-Mario Party- maybe Mario Party 10
Retro-seeing how they just started and how long they take, probably nothing except confirmation of a new project
Monolift Soft- We know they are going to show X, maybe actually give it a title
Game Freak- they don't really go to E3
Creatures- really only works on Pokemon, maybe that Pokemon Detective game
Camelot- having just finished Mario Golf, won't show anything from them.
Good Feel- Yarn Yoshi
Next Level Games- hoping Mario Strikers U but it could be anything probably Mario-related though
Monster Games- maybe an Excite game, again could be anything though
Sora- Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U
skip- they are relatively small so i don't think they are ready to announce their next project
Arika- same as skip, and they don't just work on Nintendo games
AlphaDream-Mario & Luigi- M&L games take a while so I think they aren't going to show anything
EAD1-basically Mario Kart- Mario Kart 8 will have just released so no
EAD2- Animal Crossing and Wii sports- probably going to reveal AC for Wii U and maybe another sport for Wii Sport Club
EAD3- Zelda- going to show Zelda U
EAD4- pikmin 3 and NSMB- i don't know what they could show for E3, maybe Pikmin 3 dlc but probably nothing
EAD5- Wii Fit Star Fox3D and Steel Diver(with Vitei)- maybe Star Fox
EAD Tokyo1-Zelda remakes- maybe Majora's Mask 3D
EAD Tokyo2- SM3DW and NES Remix- maybe another digital game/3D World DLC, probably nothing
SPD1-Metroid,Warioware,Rhythm Heaven- I'm hoping Rhythm Heaven, maybe metroid
SPD2-Japanese Collabs-Bayonetta 2, Hyrule Warriors
SPD3-Western Collabs- as of right now nothing announced
SPD4- Party, Camelot & Alphadream- as of right now nothing announced
SDD-Band Brothers & Brain Age- not sure
NST- Mario v DK- maybe Mario v DK U like the demo from GDC but that would probably be a smaller Nintendo Direct
Intelligent Systems- We'll probably see SMT x Fire Emblem, maybe Paper Mario U, Advance Wars
HAL Labs- since they had just finish Kirby TD, we shouldn't expect to see much from them
Nd Cube-Mario Party- maybe Mario Party 10
Retro-seeing how they just started and how long they take, probably nothing except confirmation of a new project
Monolift Soft- We know they are going to show X, maybe actually give it a title
Game Freak- they don't really go to E3
Creatures- really only works on Pokemon, maybe that Pokemon Detective game
Camelot- having just finished Mario Golf, won't show anything from them.
Good Feel- Yarn Yoshi
Next Level Games- hoping Mario Strikers U but it could be anything probably Mario-related though
Monster Games- maybe an Excite game, again could be anything though
Sora- Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U
skip- they are relatively small so i don't think they are ready to announce their next project
Arika- same as skip, and they don't just work on Nintendo games
AlphaDream-Mario & Luigi- M&L games take a while so I think they aren't going to show anything
MikeXXIeaf
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Let's say Nintendo had showed up, you don't think being among two major console reveals (PS4 was already known but bombs were still dropped) wouldn't have overshadowed their announcements just as much?
It's all about messaging though.
Last year the amount of stupid was pretty high because people didn't bother to read, but Nintendo themselves weren't quite clear on their new set-up. They gave out this strange PR message, but it didn't help them either that the press were making things worse. I remember several media outlets updating their news blurbs a few times because they were spreading incorrect information as well. "Oh hey guys, Nintendo is going to do a press conference after all!" Thirty minutes later, the next update told us this is just for the press and they won't broadcast it. Afterwards the internet exploded with stupid.
I don't think the idea of a E3 Direct is wrong, but communicating this towards the E3 audience at home (worldwide) is extremely important. And honestly, that's something they should have worked on last year. I know some on GAF view Nintendo Direct's as some cheap tv-commercial that preaches to the choir, but that's not the real goal of the format. They want to reach consumers who don't own Nintendo hardware yet as well. But all they need is that final push to make that happen. What that push needs to be, I don't know.
On the other hand, a conference could be fun, but honestly the stageshows for the past three years were all pretty bad and forgettable. Honestly, except for Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts 3 everything else is a blur.
Last year the amount of stupid was pretty high because people didn't bother to read, but Nintendo themselves weren't quite clear on their new set-up. They gave out this strange PR message, but it didn't help them either that the press were making things worse. I remember several media outlets updating their news blurbs a few times because they were spreading incorrect information as well. "Oh hey guys, Nintendo is going to do a press conference after all!" Thirty minutes later, the next update told us this is just for the press and they won't broadcast it. Afterwards the internet exploded with stupid.
I don't think the idea of a E3 Direct is wrong, but communicating this towards the E3 audience at home (worldwide) is extremely important. And honestly, that's something they should have worked on last year. I know some on GAF view Nintendo Direct's as some cheap tv-commercial that preaches to the choir, but that's not the real goal of the format. They want to reach consumers who don't own Nintendo hardware yet as well. But all they need is that final push to make that happen. What that push needs to be, I don't know.
On the other hand, a conference could be fun, but honestly the stageshows for the past three years were all pretty bad and forgettable. Honestly, except for Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts 3 everything else is a blur.
There is no damn pandering. The persecution complex is huge in this thread.
They don't choose a narrative, they don't have any agendas. What Nintendo needs to do IS market to the community that aren't just the ever decreasing con sole community that bought a Wii U. Nintendo needs to make a console that is on the same page as PS4 and X1, architecture wise not power wise, so they can still perform their "gimmicks" without having developers spending tons of time and effort to port a game with a lower audience.
Nintendo needs to make it so more and more developers publish their consoles on their platform. As a result, more and more people would have a reason to go out and buy a Wii U.
For instance, many people I know didn't buy the Wii U, except for maybe 4 people. They simply rationalized that they don't have all the games they normally want. Why is it that these people who grew up with Nintendo should be marginalized because Nintendo is ignoring the very loud market we have today? Believe it or not many people have ties from their childhood to Nintendo, but they shouldn't be expected to buy a console simply because they like Nintendo games.
so the whole "Nintendo is skipping E3" thing was just a typo then?
MikeXXIeaf
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Of course people brought up Nintendo's absence, it was out of the norm. I don't see what that has to do with people being aware of their announcements. It's not like the talks of them not being at E3 overpowered all other discussion.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Well, I figured you weren't being totally serious but some actually believe Zelda for the Wii U won't be at E3.
Yeah people visit IGN. But there are conferences that are at times that don't interfere with schooling or work hours. It's not like everyone has ro take off work to watch a conference, at most people just stay up late. And also anecdotal, the news in Tampa always have a quick E3 wrap-up story that people are caught up on the news, and we don't even have a tech section in our news.
Well, am I invalidated because the many people I know aren't tapping into the mainstream public? This type of mentality is why Nintendo is doing bad in the first polace.
Many people only saw that as being of cheaper quality. Despite what Nintendo had to offer, Nintendo should be hyped and still offer a exciting,bold stance in the face of what their competition. The general public only see it as cowering when Nintendo faces a smaller event when the competition is at its high. It's no persecution, we did case studies all the time where this has happened in my old marketing class.
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No, they simply aren't aware that Nintendo had anything to offer. People just hear that they don't have a press conference and they assume they're "not at E3", because they aren't video game enthusiasts who realize what truly goes on. And who's to blame them, they make it seem like a podium in which companies announce games and consoles. You shouldn't blame the consumers for companies not clearly communicating what's going on. It's the companies job to attract the consumer in the first place.
Like I said, you think that them not being on E3 stage conveys information to the same amount of people in the exact same way compared to if they were on the E3 stage, thus their presence is unimportant. Makes me wonder why Sony, Ubisoft, Microsoft or EA bother with E3, though, when they could just send out trailers or press releases to achieve the same goal. Seems like a big amount of wasted time, money and effort, huh?
I don't see why Nintendo bothers making Nintendo Directs, either. They could just post trailers on their Youtube channel and save a lot of time and effort, as well. It would reach the same amount of people anyways since they would get apparently get the information secondhand anyways.
They do put trailers on their channel. The same ones as in the directs, actually.
I know, that's not what I said. I'm asking why they should produce a Direct at all when they do that anyways?
You're right, companies should just leave their marketing on their channel, they shouldn't actively try using business strategies like Sony and MS did which pulls in customers they otherwise wouldn't have been exposed to.
While you're at it why do advertisements exist in the first place? Why are Super Bowl ADs so widely talked about, they're just Ads that are played in a sport event that aren't even relevant to me, why bother paying millions?
Oh I know. And I hope it is too, but if there's anything Ive learned from the boys at Nintendo over the past couple years, it's to keep my expectations and hopes in check.
The trailers premiere on the Directs. It's harmless.
And E3 is harmful?
That's a good point. I wonder why companies would pay so much for Super Bowl ads when they could just pay for a regular ad spot and apparently achieve the same results.
StreetsAhead
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The Developer Directs were some of my favourite parts of E3 last year.
Comparing E3 to the largest sport event on america TV is dumb. E3 is for the hardcore crowd while the super bowl is for mass market. You wont see my mom watching the sony press conference but you will see her watching the super bowl.
Believe it or not Super Bowl ads tremendously help increase exposure.
Why?
Because things like paper and pencil companies are exposed to one of the most watched event in USA television. They are exposed to a higher percentage of people than they would by just having adverts on the products they provide or content on their site. As a result more exposure leads to higher sales. People shouldn't be constantly looking for a company. The company should be constantly looking for customers. Business 101
Sure but it's pretty damn close. There's so much news coverage and word-to-mouth advertising generated from it that it's phenomenal. Even my grandparent is made aware by the news/ people she knows. To think gaming events aren't known to the mass media, you must surely think the Wii were all bought by hardcore gamers, and that the PS4 is doing so well because hardcore gamers are seeing a sharp increase.
Are you really comparing E3 to Super Bowl ads? Its not really the same when you consider one is ads and the other is news that's still getting reported.
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