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If GotG opens the Cosmic floodgates like I hope, then that could setup Planet Hulk Would conditio the audience to accept it, hell we might get Inhumans . . .
Zen_Arcade
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Yeah, if there was a
Guillermo del Toro directed/written Dr. Strange
Wow, this movie was great. Seriously I had my expectations far exceeded.
I honestly think I enjoyed that more than the Avengers. Loved the bigger role of Nick.
Okay about the post credit scene. Do we know what that was? She looked like Maggie Gyllenhaal to me and when they said twins I wonder if the guy was Jake. Though I couldn't make out his face and I had a bad seat down in the bottom row.
I honestly think I enjoyed that more than the Avengers. Loved the bigger role of Nick.
Okay about the post credit scene. Do we know what that was? She looked like Maggie Gyllenhaal to me and when they said twins I wonder if the guy was Jake. Though I couldn't make out his face and I had a bad seat down in the bottom row.
Alcoremortis
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This is basically my idea for a Hulk movie. I'd probably have it start out with Banner leaving the Avengers and getting picked up by one of those other "interested parties" that Natasha mentioned in Avengers 1, who would turn out to be a group that Banner really fits well in (like the Pantheon, who I think would slot in pretty well to the established universe, given how low key they are).
Another option that I feel would really work nicely would be doing a movie about Merged Hulk.
But yeah, you definitely need to have the movie be mainly Banner and dealing with his shit with a little bit of Hulk to either screw stuff up or save the day, probably doing this in in equal portions. And you'd have to change the superhero formula. Banner has always worked best when the writers treat him more like a supervillain and have him coming up with the plans to deal with injustice instead of just having bad guys thrown at him like your usual superhero story. The Indestructible Hulk run is a pretty good example of how well this works.
Elizabeth Olsen aka Best Olsen and the guy who plays Kick-Ass (can't remember his name) as (spoilers)
Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver respectively.
holy shit, just looked him up. He has two kids with someone 23 years his age.
Loved him in Kick-ass though.
You guys weren't kidding, this was a pretty good flick. I think this is probably tied with Avengers, edging it out in certain areas. What surprised me the most was the pacing as the action was excellently spread throughout the movie.
While I felt that sometimes the camera would swing a little too much I very much appreciated how they would pull back and actually show something that seemed like it took a minute more to choreograph. A very good action movie.
Someone said a few posts back that the movie had a sad, almost melancholy feel and I would completely agree. The whole man outta time deal easily makes Rogers a favorite for me. Movie has some heart in it and the scene with
touching.
I think Marvel's been on a roll with this and Thor 2. I didn't really like Iron Man 3 all that much outside of the middle sequence where he's just Tony Stark but man, Winter Solider set the bar high.
Oh, and the girl I was with tonight absolutely fell in love with the Guardian of the Galaxies trailer, all based off that Rocket Raccoon character. So, good job Marvel, definitely hitting all the bases.
While I felt that sometimes the camera would swing a little too much I very much appreciated how they would pull back and actually show something that seemed like it took a minute more to choreograph. A very good action movie.
Someone said a few posts back that the movie had a sad, almost melancholy feel and I would completely agree. The whole man outta time deal easily makes Rogers a favorite for me. Movie has some heart in it and the scene with
his ex love was
I think Marvel's been on a roll with this and Thor 2. I didn't really like Iron Man 3 all that much outside of the middle sequence where he's just Tony Stark but man, Winter Solider set the bar high.
Oh, and the girl I was with tonight absolutely fell in love with the Guardian of the Galaxies trailer, all based off that Rocket Raccoon character. So, good job Marvel, definitely hitting all the bases.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Easily the best MCU film. They should can Whedon and his B-TV series sensibilities and hire the Russo brothers for The Avengers 3. Perhaps the only Marvel Studios film outside of the first Iron Man that feels like a genuinely thrilling blockbuster where you get your money's worth, as opposed to all the other empty $200m B-movies they've made.
The action was framed and choreographed very well and actually felt real, as opposed to some bullshit tech demo. And the story was actually intriguing, whilst cutting the cheese for some genuine thrills and character beats.
Pleasantly surprised.
The action was framed and choreographed very well and actually felt real, as opposed to some bullshit tech demo. And the story was actually intriguing, whilst cutting the cheese for some genuine thrills and character beats.
Pleasantly surprised.
Hours Left
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Depp as Doctor Strange would be absolutely awful. I would be so pissed off if that happened.
Discotheque
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Sculli my homeboy i was about to PM you about this movie too but i thought you were still banned
IMPRESSIONS FROM A REAL BOY (dead, yamato etc. take note)
The first action scene when Cap hit the boat made me a wee bit skeptical. the choreography was nice but the quick cuts were jarring. however, once he met with batroc i started to believe i was in for a good ride.
However, I was surprised by the tone of this. i didn't expect an actual adherance to the political thriller tone it was touted to be. what this film felt like was a 90s Jack Ryan movie with Captain America dubbed into it. That's not an insult, I was pleasantly surprised. In fact the only time this shook me away from my optimism was
TRANSCENDENCE in theaters April 2014.
Black Widow was surprisingly witty, in fact all of the characters in here had some nice snappy dialogue.
Fuck Joss Whedon. He made Captain America and Black Widow some of the most boring scrubs in Avengers. In here they prove their physicality and their screen presence.
Robert Redford. Man even when the film cut to him to slow down the pacing he carried it. Screen presence allowed him to make such a standard role not annoy me. Also I'm sure only a few people noticed this but I grinned when I saw the Paul Newman salad dressing in his fridge.
Captain America 2 > Iron Man 3 >= Iron Man 1 > Nothing else matters
IMPRESSIONS FROM A REAL BOY (dead, yamato etc. take note)
The first action scene when Cap hit the boat made me a wee bit skeptical. the choreography was nice but the quick cuts were jarring. however, once he met with batroc i started to believe i was in for a good ride.
However, I was surprised by the tone of this. i didn't expect an actual adherance to the political thriller tone it was touted to be. what this film felt like was a 90s Jack Ryan movie with Captain America dubbed into it. That's not an insult, I was pleasantly surprised. In fact the only time this shook me away from my optimism was
when they go into the basement and talk to the computer. then it veered into cheesebutt comic book movie for me, but only for a few minutes
Black Widow was surprisingly witty, in fact all of the characters in here had some nice snappy dialogue.
Fuck Joss Whedon. He made Captain America and Black Widow some of the most boring scrubs in Avengers. In here they prove their physicality and their screen presence.
Robert Redford. Man even when the film cut to him to slow down the pacing he carried it. Screen presence allowed him to make such a standard role not annoy me. Also I'm sure only a few people noticed this but I grinned when I saw the Paul Newman salad dressing in his fridge.
Captain America 2 > Iron Man 3 >= Iron Man 1 > Nothing else matters
I agree
The Winter Soldier > Avengers
Avengers had the sheer volume of superheroes all on screen at the same time going for it but not much else.
TUROK
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx2mhPEr7kA
This is still by far the best action sequence in any of the MCU films. The way War Machine's guns sounded in theaters was so fucking amazing.
Shame the sequence was shortened because of Iron Man's shitty "let's finish this damn movie already" lasers.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Like I said, bullshit tech demo. There's nothing exciting about that scene. It's stupid and has zero tension.
TUROK
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It's extremely well-done. Everything about it is extremely clear. No quick-cuts whatsoever (which cannot be said for a majority of the hand-to-hand fights in Winter Soldier) and fantastic sound design (every shootout in Winter Soldier sounded like shit. So many people were gunned down, yet maybe aside from one death, there wasn't any impact to it. If they said that everyone was using tranq guns, I would have bought it).
There is nothing best about IM2.
And is Whedon already signed on for Avengers 3? A Russo brothers Avengers film would be god tier based off of TWS. I think they should've gone with a different director for each of the Avengers films :-/, kind of like they do with the solo films.
crimsonheadGCN
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Yes, he's signed on for 3 films (Avengers, Avengers: Age of Ultron, and Avengers 3). His contract was like over $100 million.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
While I liked The Avengers, I liked The Winter Soldier even more, so I hope Whedon is doing some serious note taking regarding action sequences and Black Widow & Caps characters. I already know Hawkeye is getting some major plot stuff, so I'm not too worried about him.
Discotheque
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it's not just the action though. I realized just how boring everybody was in Avengers (except Stark of course) after seeing this movie.
Captain America and Black Widow were styrofoam-tier interesting in that movie yet in here they have plenty of fun scenes.
disgrace how Marvel gave Whedon the keys to their biggest franchise.
Captain America and Black Widow were styrofoam-tier interesting in that movie yet in here they have plenty of fun scenes.
disgrace how Marvel gave Whedon the keys to their biggest franchise.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Whedon mentioning that the new film is a lot more personal gives me hope. Less assembling and (Cap TWS spoilers)
SHIELD
I think the issue the first avengers had was the fact until now Downey Jr as Stark was the only real major breakout star so so much was thrusted on Tony Stark so it was more Tony Stark and friends the movie.
Winter Solider exploding to the success it is should hopefully really bring Cap up a few notches and Black Widow. Its already been said Hulk and Hawkeye have a huge role in Avengers 2. They just need to treat them all as super important
Winter Solider exploding to the success it is should hopefully really bring Cap up a few notches and Black Widow. Its already been said Hulk and Hawkeye have a huge role in Avengers 2. They just need to treat them all as super important
Mengy
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I have loved all of the Marvel movies, I mean ALL of them, except for the Hulk movies (where I hated the first Hulk but thought the second was merely okay). But, I agree with the sentiment of your post Sculli, in that CA:TWS was I felt a cut above every other one of them. I put it up there with Avengers and the first Iron Man, but honestly I think upon repeat viewings I may just put it at the top period.
I would love to see every Marvel movie from here on out be this kind of quality. It may be the best super hero movie ever made.
I hated the first CA, something I've made clear on this forum before, so went into this with zero expectations.
And Winter Soldier is probably my favorite Marvel movie. Everything about it just worked and the way they built up Cap's relationships with Natasha and Fury was superb.
And Winter Soldier himself should not have worked anywhere near as well on screen as he did. Everything about a silent scraggly haired dude with a metallic arm sounds pure cheese but it didn't come off that way at all. Probably my favorite Marvel villain because he seemed like a legitimate and imposing threat every time he was on screen.
And Winter Soldier is probably my favorite Marvel movie. Everything about it just worked and the way they built up Cap's relationships with Natasha and Fury was superb.
And Winter Soldier himself should not have worked anywhere near as well on screen as he did. Everything about a silent scraggly haired dude with a metallic arm sounds pure cheese but it didn't come off that way at all. Probably my favorite Marvel villain because he seemed like a legitimate and imposing threat every time he was on screen.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Yeah, my girlfriend stated that the winter soldier character had a definite Darth Vader presence going on, int that every time he appeared you just knew that shit got dangerous now. He was powerful, deadly, yet unpredictable, and he kicked the tar out of the entire cast at one point or another during the movie. Easily the best Marvel villain yet in one of their movies, and I think it goes a long way towards making this film feel as exciting as it did.
#1 defender
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For Avengers 3, have Whedon be screenwriter and executive producer, and the Russos direct. Best of both worlds.
I don't think Whedon is signed for Avengers 3. Directors don't normally (ever?) sign multi-picture deals, and it wouldn't really be in his interest to anyway.
I do agree that if Whedon doesn't do a third Avengers movie, they should give the gig to the Russos. Directing that whole team isn't nearly the same as just directing a couple of them, but the Russos would be the most promising replacement.
I do agree that if Whedon doesn't do a third Avengers movie, they should give the gig to the Russos. Directing that whole team isn't nearly the same as just directing a couple of them, but the Russos would be the most promising replacement.
The Technomancer
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Nah, I don't think just any white actor could do Captain America. With a character like Captain America you have to walk a very very fine line or else you come off as a sappy goody-goody or a douchebag and Evans nails it
crimsonheadGCN
Banned
Back to Whedon hate, I see. Lol. Both Cap and Black Widow were well done in The Avengers. They have far more screen time each in TWS, so obviously both have more to work with.
The Big Job should be Whedon's as long as he wants it. That said, if he were to leave, I wouldn't mind seeing the Russo brothers get a promotion.
The Big Job should be Whedon's as long as he wants it. That said, if he were to leave, I wouldn't mind seeing the Russo brothers get a promotion.
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=marvel14b.htm
According to BoxOfficeMojo, Cap 2 has earned $96 million on its opening weekend, and $300 million worldwide so far.
Man, if any film deserves to make over a billion, it's this one.
According to BoxOfficeMojo, Cap 2 has earned $96 million on its opening weekend, and $300 million worldwide so far.
Man, if any film deserves to make over a billion, it's this one.
Yup, Whedon was masterful in splitting screen time between all those characters, great dialog and Avengers had hands down the best action in comic movies until Winter Soldier. As long as Whedon payed attention to the fight choreography in WS he will knock it out of the park.
Does that include Thursday? And we still have Sunday numbers to add correct?
Marion Cobretti
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Saw it yesterday....
If Marvel can maintain this quality for their movies moving forward, we are in for such a treat.
I don't think it's as good as The Avengers, but I liked it as much, if that makes any sense.
If Marvel can maintain this quality for their movies moving forward, we are in for such a treat.
I don't think it's as good as The Avengers, but I liked it as much, if that makes any sense.
BlackNMild2k1
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That's an April opening record correct?
wasn't the previous April record something like $84M?
I'm so HYPED for this movie. About to go watch it in a little over and hour.
If I remember correctly, didn't Joss say that he wanted Avengers 2 to be more of a personal story between the team? I would be greatly disappointed if not everyone got proper screentime and development.
I think he did a good job with the first Avengers, considering the nature of the film, but I'm expecting more for the sequel this time around, instead of just being happy the film exists.
It's not as if The Avengers was any slouch in creating good-looking comic book action.
Yup, the only low point in fights was Cap vs Loki. The choreography in Winter Soldier would have really helped make that fight shine.
matrix-cat
Member
Avengers has that weird car chase at the start where it looks like the cars are doing 20mph, and then Cap just stands by that lever for the entire Helicarrier fight. But the rest is gravy, especially the final battle. The Winter Soldier nails the action choreography for Cap and the non-supers, but Avengers has some amazing stuff for Hulk, IM and Thor.
The main problem I had in the theatre was that I had no idea what a Chitauri was, so I didn't know whether an army of them was anything to worry about. Are they strong? What's their deal? Thor can wipe out droves of them in one go so... what's the problem? Then it turns out they were robots the whole time and they all just turn off. Made for a fairly low-stakes final confrontation but that's a problem with the script, not the action itself.
The main problem I had in the theatre was that I had no idea what a Chitauri was, so I didn't know whether an army of them was anything to worry about. Are they strong? What's their deal? Thor can wipe out droves of them in one go so... what's the problem? Then it turns out they were robots the whole time and they all just turn off. Made for a fairly low-stakes final confrontation but that's a problem with the script, not the action itself.
Not even a script problem. And I'm not trying to falsely exonerate Whedon here, the Chitauri army macguffin and parameters of the New York invasion/portal were mandated by Feige and Marvel.
Alcoremortis
Member
I didn't find it a problem because it's not as if the characters had some secret information that we, the audience, didn't. They didn't have a clue what they were up against either. They just knew Loki was up to no good and that Loki thought they would be powerful enough to take over Earth. You can see this in their reactions to the first whale thing that shows up. They're about as confused about it as the audience. More information would have, I feel, damaged the effect.
Really, my biggest beef with some superhero movies is that they try to explain too much, and they really shouldn't. I've said this in other threads, but part of the reason MoS and GL failed was they tried to explain everything at the beginning, and they really should have just let the audience find out alongside the characters.
Besides if Tony hadn't lobbed a friggen nuke into the portal... if Natasha hadn't been able to shut down the portal, well, they might have lost. Right before that scene, the team is kinda in serious trouble. I never felt the stakes were that low. And if the nuke had hit Manhattan, we probably would have ended up with Banner fighting the next wave on his lonesome, which wouldn't have been nearly as effective.
Cloud Strife
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Can't even imagine how huge they're gonna hype Avengers 3. DAMN.
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