fuck i sure as hell didn't. comedic directors delivering something like this is a wtf moment for me.
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fuck i sure as hell didn't. comedic directors delivering something like this is a wtf moment for me.
whatsinaname
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I quite liked the movie. Only issue I had was with the product placement. I think I saw more Chevy badges in the movie than I would driving through Warren, Michigan.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Whedon's problem is that everything he does live-action looks like a goddamn TV show. The guy has the most basic understanding of how to block and move through a space - something that sticks out like a sore thumb when ILM take over for the CG-heavy action scenes, because there is such a jarring disconnect between the two.
Forget the action scenes in The Winter Soldier, just look at how the Russo's communicate information to the audience visually in any other scene - whether it's walking through Shield offices or taking a run downtown.
It takes a special kind of mediocre to get Seamus McGarvey to put out a shitty looking film.
Forget the action scenes in The Winter Soldier, just look at how the Russo's communicate information to the audience visually in any other scene - whether it's walking through Shield offices or taking a run downtown.
It takes a special kind of mediocre to get Seamus McGarvey to put out a shitty looking film.
SCULLIBUNDO
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NYCmetsfan
Banned
1st:
yes and Scarlet witch
2nd: yeah
Bucky goes to the Smithsonian and looks at his biography
I loved all the DC real life stuff. To often its some third rate knock off of the cops and landmarks but this was pretty good. Cap's got a nice place in Dupont
Watching this last night and went in with super low expectations. Did not really like the first film but this one was ok. No real stand out moments for me. The whole film was fairly unmemorable. Scarlet O'YumYum was the most redeeming part of the film but not nearly enough skin time from her.
For me it's:
1. Iron man
2. Winter Soldier
3. Avengers
Iron Man 2 and 3 are last as well.
If we can count the spider man movies then I would put spider man 2 somewhere in the top 3 replacing the avengers. Not sure where though since its been a while since Ive seen it.
TDLink
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Whedon is not signed on for Avengers 3 right now. His contract was specifically for Avengers 2 plus management/development of all movies and shows Marvel is working on through June 2015. The first one he had a hand in was Thor: The Dark World. So he's also had input of some sort into TWS, GotG, Ant Man, and likely the first few phase 3 films and Netflix series.
However, if Agents of SHIELD is anything to go by, his input doesn't really mean all that much. We'll see what happens with him after Avengers 2 comes out. That existing contract very intentionally expires the month after the film comes out. Although, I can't see Marvel not extending the offer for him to come back if he wants to keep doing it.
However, if Agents of SHIELD is anything to go by, his input doesn't really mean all that much. We'll see what happens with him after Avengers 2 comes out. That existing contract very intentionally expires the month after the film comes out. Although, I can't see Marvel not extending the offer for him to come back if he wants to keep doing it.
More_Badass
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I think any major stumbling block in getting Whedon to come back for Avengers 3 would actually be on his end rather than Marvel's. Whedon has said a few times that he wants to work on his own stuff again after Avengers 2 is done. He was able to squeeze out Much Ado About Nothing between movies, but if he wants to do anything more extensive than a weekend shoot at his house, I could see that becoming an issue in resigning him for a third movie.
If anything, Whedon needs better character moments. He has no fucking excuse not to improve there- HE HAS THE MOST TO WORK WITH. Not to say there weren't any in the Avengers, but the Russo brothers added another layer to characters that felt like they lacked any depth. Even IM3 added something to Stark, we need to see all that development payoff in Avengers 2. I'm pretty sure Thor went through like zero change in Thor 2 though, lol. So it was really hard to even care. We should be leaving this movie, with the feeling that these characters have made some sort of progression that we can get behind. Since these superhero movies are largely character driven, it wouldn't make sense not to show that. They have to make us care. By the end of Cap 2 there isn't a character who felt the same from the beginning of the movie.. it was quite the ride. It played off the first Cap, and Avengers really well.
In IM3 and Cap 2, you see them directly affected by the events in Avengers and even their previous solo films. Whedon's Avengers set up all these characters for interesting Phase 2 movies, and I feel like Thor 2 was the only one not to capitalize. The best part of that movie tbh was all the Thor and Loki interaction, I liked the third act too. I've only watched once and vaguely remember most of it. Whedon couldn't ask for a better lead into Avengers 2, they took what he gave them after Avengers and out did him imo (except Thor who is now officially the most boring character of the group if you exclude Hawkeye :lol).
Regarding the action. While the action was well made and intense in Cap 2, I think there was a lot more to it than the visual aspect. All of the characters felt vulnerable, and there was emotion behind some of those scenes. Especially when the stakes were at their highest. I want that weight in Avengers 2, Whedon plssss!
In IM3 and Cap 2, you see them directly affected by the events in Avengers and even their previous solo films. Whedon's Avengers set up all these characters for interesting Phase 2 movies, and I feel like Thor 2 was the only one not to capitalize. The best part of that movie tbh was all the Thor and Loki interaction, I liked the third act too. I've only watched once and vaguely remember most of it. Whedon couldn't ask for a better lead into Avengers 2, they took what he gave them after Avengers and out did him imo (except Thor who is now officially the most boring character of the group if you exclude Hawkeye :lol).
Regarding the action. While the action was well made and intense in Cap 2, I think there was a lot more to it than the visual aspect. All of the characters felt vulnerable, and there was emotion behind some of those scenes. Especially when the stakes were at their highest. I want that weight in Avengers 2, Whedon plssss!
Absolutely fantastic film.
I knew it was going to be good, but I didn't expect it to be that good.
It definitely makes things very interesting for future films
Hopefully it'll appear somewhere online...
I knew it was going to be good, but I didn't expect it to be that good.
It definitely makes things very interesting for future films
I had to depart before I could watch the second credit scene.
Hopefully it'll appear somewhere online...
You almost make me want head to the theater, since I've been bored out of my mind with all the other Marvel movies (barring Thor 2, haven't seen that yet either).
But then I swear countless people said the same thing about The Avengers blowing all the previous movies out of the water and that was such a flop for me.
Pinko Marx
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I feel like, with some changes, this movie could have been a Metal Gear Solid flick.
ryutaro's mama
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Oh god no. Keep Kojima nonsense confined to games.
But it has good writing though.
Lol
just kiddin'.
There were a few scenes that mirrored MGS 1-2 for me, it was cool.
just saw the movie myself and i totally believe a black widow movie could work, more so than a wonderwoman movie
Pinko Marx
Banned
They'd have to tone down the Japanese-ness of it, but the tone of the film matches what I think would make a good MGS flick.
Have him choreograph fights in a Deadpool movie.
I think Avengers gave everyone screen time, except maybe Hawkeye.
Black Widow was uninteresting in that movie, and I did not give a FUCK about whatever her and Hawkeye had lol. Coulson's death was a bit ham-fisted, but it was part of the fun ride so I excused it.. Even if it was a plot device to reunite the team. I can't speak for everyone, but what I want is for Whedon to make us care about the characters, and make each scene mean something. I think TWS did an incredible job with that, there was very little filler. I don't think you need a ton of scenes to do it, just make every scene count. Kind of like TWS in this film.
Alcoremortis
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Avengers will probably always have a "problem" in doing deep character stories due to the number of principle characters. However, this is why Whedon is a good choice for the films. Because he can write snappy dialogue to replace the relative lack of character development while still keeping the story entertaining. The solo movies should always have an arc, but too many character arcs in a big team movie would just be confusing and detract from the overall experience.
I imagine in Age of Ultron, he'll probably do a more personal story, but it will likely be about team dynamics and growth rather than individual characters having arcs. Either that or he'll put the spotlight on Banner and Hawkeye for the major arcs.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Matinee it. Marvel fans have said the same thing about every new empty Marvel film. The Avengers included. This stands as a solid 8/10 standalone film. It's not the best movie ever zomg, but it's a very decent popcorn movie where every other Marvel Studios film has been expensive trash.
Saw the film today. I thought it was okay but it didn't leave me excited upon exiting the theater. Captain America 1 did the same thing but I didn't bother seeing that in theaters though but instead on TV. It's a weird feeling because story wise I found the film very interesting and I tend to like stuff like this. I found Cap, Falcon, Black Widow, Fury, Winter Soldier to all be very interesting and fun to watch. However something about the film just left me with a simple "It was good" feeling but that's it. It certainly isn't something I really want to see again. I'm not excited that I saw it and if I'm honest with myself I wasn't super excited to see it in the first place even though I loved the trailers. I might have to see it again to know if I feel differently and perhaps not in a theater.
TheVampire
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Hawkeye did have a few cool scenes.
Like that part where he shoots Loki out of the sky.
Or that other part where he is talking to IronMan and he shoots that flying alien craft down without even looking at it.
lol, never change.
Callibretto
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Hawkeye biggest feats in avengers is almost taking down helicarrier with his usb arrow. Lol.
crimzonflame
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Thought that during the movie as well.
It basically was a MGS movie; just cobbled together with parts from each of them.
Beginning was the Tanker scene from MGS2. Winter Soldier was Gray Fox. Computer Zola and Hydra were so similar to the Patriots it was scary. And then you've got Cap as the aging veteran who has to deal with a government conspiracy involving super weapons.
Question to those who have seen TWS:
My girlfriend knows that I want to see this movie, and she offered to go with me to see it tomorrow. However, she has only seen Iron Man 1. I think it would be doing a slight disservice to her to start her near the end of Phase 2, especially with it being the described by some as also being a SHIELD film.
Would she be able to generally follow this movie if I summarize the basic Cap/Avengers plot to her?
My girlfriend knows that I want to see this movie, and she offered to go with me to see it tomorrow. However, she has only seen Iron Man 1. I think it would be doing a slight disservice to her to start her near the end of Phase 2, especially with it being the described by some as also being a SHIELD film.
Would she be able to generally follow this movie if I summarize the basic Cap/Avengers plot to her?
Really, I'll probably just go some other time. I have been looking for an excuse to see the Avengers again anyway.
Helicarrier!?
I agree with that.
Empty. Empty. The Avengers was an "empty film".
I'm at a loss as to what missing from that movie that could've made it a "less empty" superhero romp. Biting social commentary? Long nights of the soul? Yeah yeah I'm sure you've said your piece in a dozen other threads, but it would be nice if you articulated a bit instead of dropping the mic.
People think shitting on things is fun because it's harder to get a rise out of others when you like something despite it's faults.
FILM CRIT HULK said:
T.M. MacReady
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Tier 1:
Iron Man, Avengers, Cap: Winter Soldier
Tier 2:
Thor: The Dark World, Thor, Iron Man 2
Tier 3:
The Incredible Hulk, Cap: First Avenger
Tier 873572:
Iron Man 3
Iron Man, Avengers, Cap: Winter Soldier
Tier 2:
Thor: The Dark World, Thor, Iron Man 2
Tier 3:
The Incredible Hulk, Cap: First Avenger
Tier 873572:
Iron Man 3
She should atleast see Captain America and The Avengers... And I guess Thor 1 if she wants to get what's happening in The Avengers at all. Neither Iron Man 3 or Thor 2, or Incredible Hulk are necessary.
If I walked out of the auditorium after Iron Man 3 and into a vacuum, I never in a million years would have been able to guess it would be so polarizing. People either think it's a stroke of unique Shane Black genius, or a 10000 pound warhead of fecal matter dropped from orbit.
Pop
Member
I can agree with this.
Really hated what they did with IM3. Hated the ending as much as the twist. Almost walked out when that happened.
T.M. MacReady
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It really is amazing how people feel so strongly towards it. I fall on one end of the spectrum for many reasons, and while I fail to see why some love it, more power to them.
Frankly, I'm just thrilled to live in a world where movies like this get made every year. 12 year old me would never imagine seeing the Winter Soldier, Days of Future Past, or Thor on screen. They can't all be winners, just glad to have them.
........fuck Iron Man 3
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I can't imagine not wanting to see Thor 2 after watching Avengers, though.
Just saying, it's not necessary viewing in order to see Winter Soldier. Not saying it shouldn't be seen before Avengers 2.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
Honestly wasn't expecting that much out of this other than I thought it would be entertaining enough, but holy shit. What an awesome movie. Easily the best movie Marvel has made thus far IMO. This film only made me more excited for their future endeavors, it was a real surprise for me.
I'd rank them:
TWS>IM1>AVENGERS>IM2=CA>THOR
Havent seen Thor 2 or Iron Man 3.
I'd rank them:
TWS>IM1>AVENGERS>IM2=CA>THOR
Havent seen Thor 2 or Iron Man 3.
It has some interesting ideas. But every scene with Iron Man is basically a parody of what Iron Man has become and it wrecks the movie because of it.
SCULLIBUNDO
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You know you've got some quality control issues when out of 4 tiers, Thor 2: The Dark World makes the B-tier.
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