Subtervotion
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Its not that there's anything wrong with him, its that Protean Greninja wrecks house.
Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 6: Final Destination confirmed for not fun
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Its not that there's anything wrong with him, its that Protean Greninja wrecks house.
chaobreaker
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What Sakurai should have done is given some characters 2 FS. One that's effective in KO-ing 1 character (think Link's FS) and another that is a less effective crowd control move (like Mario's). Characters with transformations should just have just that 1 FS.
Subtervotion
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ArchedThunder
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I hope he has an alt of his shiny.
Considering how popular his shiny is I don't know how they couldn't. Also he's a ninja, so not having a black alt would be stupid.
The more I think about it the more I think the customisable movesets are the biggest game changer we've heard about so far, it completely changes how matchups are going to work in the competitive scene if they're going to be balanced around being side grades with upsides and down sides rather than some being better than others, you wouldn't have to stop using your favourite character just because he matches up badly to your opponent anymore.
You're a slow heavy character facing a combo heavy character? Replace one of your attacks with a weaker version that has super armour so you have more of a chance of breaking it up.
You're playing as someone with a projectile reflector against someone who has no projectiles? Change it to an attack that doesn't reflect at all but does a bit of damage and hitstun so you can mix it up with some different combos.
It sounds like it could be, by far, one of the best additions to the series if they do it right, which is why it's such a shame I haven't really seen it be discussed much.
You're a slow heavy character facing a combo heavy character? Replace one of your attacks with a weaker version that has super armour so you have more of a chance of breaking it up.
You're playing as someone with a projectile reflector against someone who has no projectiles? Change it to an attack that doesn't reflect at all but does a bit of damage and hitstun so you can mix it up with some different combos.
It sounds like it could be, by far, one of the best additions to the series if they do it right, which is why it's such a shame I haven't really seen it be discussed much.
HighJumpBoots
Banned
I love every single thing they announced last night. Best news was Final Destination for each level. I hated playing FD all the time with friends because it got stale after a while. This should remedy that.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Every stage is Final Destination now, why isn't every character Fox?
oreomunsta
Banned
Torterra says otherwise >=(
But really, I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't a grass starter in the game. I don't think Sakurai's intentions with Greninja were to replace the trifecta made with Brawl's PT, like some people here seem to be implying.
There's more to choosing Greninja, and it seems centred on the idea that Greninja's suited very well to a game like Smash Brothers. It's got the humanoid build (not implying that all fighers need to be humanoid in stature, but it seems easier to develop a character like Greninja over, say Dunsparce or Rayquaza. Ivysaur wasn't bipedal, but did utilize it's vines like another character would utilize arms) and the combination of fan appeal and surprise to it.
Vermillion
Banned
In the video he could barely get over the stick with three Pikmin (the stick that's what - a jump? Double jump for Greninja?), but without Pikmin he could fly over it and much more. More horizontal and vertical distance.
Scooter155
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PadWarrior
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So I haven't played Pokemon since Gameboy color, how do I get this Protean Greninja?
Olimar has SASS.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Danky, what are you doing, stahp it.
If you're only playing FD, you're doing it wrong. Battlefield and Smashville are great fair stages.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Considering that they can't be used online, I don't think customizable moves are intended for serious play.
Shiny Chesnaught looks great.
Should've been the default color scheme. Chesnaught was my fav gen 6 starter.
Friend Safari (which you can't access until post game), Wonder Trade, or trading with someone who has one.
Subtervotion
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It's his hidden ability. You'd only be able to get it via Friend Safari in the post game or someone trades it to you. PM me if you want one.
HighJumpBoots
Banned
Don't worry! We always play every stage, just, FD is used most often. Trust me, we're not a no items, final destination, fox only crew haha
Lord Azrael
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Well yeah obviously the Wii U version will take longer to develop. But what I'm suggesting is that they could have delayed the 3DS version into 2015. Wouldn't benefit the consumer, but it would most likely benefit Nintendo.
PadWarrior
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Okay thanks.
darkpaladinmfc
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Maybe if you're the type of person who only uses B moves.
That probably has more to do with making it a snappy experience and keeping the netcode clean and consistent.
Online is hardly the intended place for serious competitions anyway.
Neoriceisgood
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I'll have to do the other playable characters tomorrow, I'm exhausted.
Scooter155
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Wow, really? Delaying a game with enormous sales potential by 6 to 12 months would help Nintendo?
I honestly don't even know how to respond to that! Haha.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Wanna bet the same bet+cynthia
Whoops, didn't see that. Ill take it
Either of you two still want a 2nd bet with me on the Cynthia thing?
Vermillion
Banned
Sakurai warns against powering up too much, though, as shown with Lucario's Extremespeed with high aura. So it doesn't seem like it's *not* his Final Smash, either.
Simplest explanation is that he does max damage regardless of actual damage taken. He's probably also harder to kill, as per most transformations.
But who knows, really.
He said that they can't be used in online with strangers.
And, generally speaking, serious play isn't even a thing online, you might get close to it playing with friends in a lobby but that's still not perfect.
Subtervotion
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He looks way faster. Sheik is one of my favorite characters and Greninja looks similar to her more than Lucario. Regardless I'm looking forward to playing as him.
I'll have to do the other playable characters tomorrow, I'm exhausted.
I think I found a new avatar. Hopefully no one ninja's me.
theprodigy
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CriterionDog
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I'll have to do the other playable characters tomorrow, I'm exhausted.
That's so cool! : D
I'll have to do the other playable characters tomorrow, I'm exhausted.
great work
I think you ninja'd yourself
Beelzebufo
Banned
Doesn't make much sense really, as at that point Aura has probably built up anyway. It also is the opposite of a comeback mechanic, and is unrelated to Mega evos in x and y.
Overall the direct was pretty great. I just hope they balance the characters enough this time. It was borderline impossible to do well with some characters before like all the Zelda characters besides Toon Link and Falcon.
edit: forget I said Kirby keep getting mixed up with melee
edit: forget I said Kirby keep getting mixed up with melee
ErrorMacro
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I just rewatched the part and you're right, the recovery is pretty crappy with pikmin (although that could depend on the types of pikmin held, as Olimar is holding a purple one when he uses the recovery them)
Also, the recovery without pikmin is pretty damn good. Funny how that changed from Brawl. In Brawl, more pikmin = better recovery, in this one is the complete inverse.
I'll have to do the other playable characters tomorrow, I'm exhausted.
Froaking amazing!
As much as I'd love Sceptile (to complete the trifecta and to also have my favorite final form starter in the game, and hey Hoenn remakes are coming sometime maybe), I really doubt we'll get a grass starter in the game.
And besides, Pokemon is a series that chooses reps by popularity, and no grass starter is that popular. If we got a gen 3 rep it'd be Blaziken anyways :/
fredrancour
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Don't worry, He's got good odds if Pokken becomes an actual thing.