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Am I the only one who enjoyed the beginning of the movie where Cap and Falcon after they're running are just talking...you know like normal people?

No dramatic exposition, or whatever. Just...two guys making small talk after a run.

I liked that Falcon was a life coach on his down time. Putting sidekicks everywhere on notice.
 
I liked that Falcon was a life coach on his down time. Putting sidekicks everywhere on notice.

Falcon was really a great combination of his 616 (former social worker who Cap encourages to become a superhero) and Ultimate (former soldier that ends up becoming a secret agent) versions. The best of both worlds, I think.
 
I liked that Falcon was a life coach on his down time. Putting sidekicks everywhere on notice.

I honestly feel like a standalone film for him could totally work. Anthony Mackie has the charisma to carry his own film. Maybe a prequel about
his time in Iraq, the military's development of the suit and the loss of his friend.
It wouldn't even need a traditional superhero villain. It could just be about war and its effects on people.

I really just want to see this guy in a leading role.
 
I agree. I won't go so far as to say that the first Captain America was the best Marvel movie, but I will say that I find it the most enjoyable Marvel movie to rewatch. I simply love the tone and feel of CA1, it's both patriotic and adventurous and just a great story, plus I love the whole WWII feel and vibe to the film. Gives me such an Indiana Jones / Rocketeer feeling that I can't help but smile throughout the entire thing. Plus it has my favorite Marvel credits montage at the end, with all of the WWII nostalgic posters and such. I know a lot of people didn't care much for CA1, but it's my favorite to watch over and over again.

Don't forget the very best part of all the movie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxRKwKJI_uI
 
Don't know if this is the right place to ask, but I'm debating either seeing this or the new Muppets flick. Which is better, for those that have seen both?
 
Don't know if this is the right place to ask, but I'm debating either seeing this or the new Muppets flick. Which is better, for those that have seen both?

Well that's not much of a comparison :lol but having seen both, I liked Winter Soldier far more. Muppets is alright but isn't anywhere near as fun as the first.
 
I still prefer Winter a Solider but otherwise I totally agree. IM3 was super entertaining, made a great point of showing you that Stark is way more than a suit of power armor, and had a lot of great 80's-style shoot outs. I guess the nerdy "plot hole!" shouting types have a lot of reasons to hate it but I grew up on Marvel comics; I can take a bit of sloppiness in stride, as long as there is nothing particularly distracting from enjoying the film.

I feel like much of the criticism has to do with the stuff you hear about every Marvel film, even when much of the specifics of IM3 go against those accusations.

Even completely ignoring the Mandarin stuff I really can't find anything good about IM3. The story was just so terrible and a lot of things didn't make sense.
 
Goddamn!

This movie was amazing. Action, pacing, characters, love it all! I was completely floored with the action choreography, they really upped their game with this movie. The movie's tone and feel is very distinctive different than the first film. I love Evan's Captain America, he's pure badass with that touch of naive with the modern world that make's him so enduring.
 
Against my better judgement I gave this movie a chance. You know what? Another year, another totes average Mahvel production. Whatever it is people are seeing in this, I just do not. I wish I could say I was over giving my money to mediocre, unambitious, middle of the road blockbusters, but I'll probably be watching a heck of a lot more crap this year.

TWS did have some good fighting choreography, I'll give it that. On the other hand the cinematography was total shit. Maybe the worst I've seen in a Marvel movie yet.

Same here. I thought it was better than most of the Marvel films (I'd probably rank it just behind the first Iron Man and The Avengers), but I thought it was still pretty mediocre. Fight scenes were good - easily the best in the MCU to date - but everything else was just...lacking.

I don't think these big CGI explosion palooza blockbuster superhero films are for me any more. I figure they should at least excite or thrill me, but they don't.
 
I find it odd anyone would blame Seamus for the film looking cheap as if that's something attached to him regularly. His work is mostly gorgeous.

Bingo. McGarvey is an Oscar-nominated DP whose pre-Avengers work has always been breathtaking. Seeing people blame him like he suddenly lost all his talent and shot The Avengers like every single one of Whedon's past-productions, while letting Whedon off is hilarious.

One doesn't go from Atonement down to The Avengers and back to the quality of Anna Karenina for kicks. Whedon's lit-for-TV aesthetic was all over The Avengers.
 
lol @ these MGS comparisons. Sneaking on a boat = Kojima-land?

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An AI that propagates war in an effort to curb civil freedoms operating under the belief that order is ultimately what is best for humanity.

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I finally saw it, as a huge Cap fan I can confirm it was amazing and the Russos succeeded in making
HYDRA interesting, the MGS route is perfect. If Red Skull does come back with a new actor I wonder if he'll wear a mask like he sometimes did in the comics, as a result of having a new body. Thank god they ditched the Hydra fist, "Hail HYDRA" is fine though.

Also, I nerded out over
AI Zola, he'll be back and his robot body will be around, And not mention Strucker and the Twins!

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Zola is a actually a member of The Patriots, operating the subdivision of Hydra! It all makes sense! Lol.
 
THE WINTER SOLDIER may have inspired Joss Whedon to Shoot AGE OF ULTRON in Scope



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Lol... People that think shooting in flat is some how cheaper than scope.
 
Just got back from seeing it and was pleasantly surprised. Captain America 1 has always been my least favorite from this Avengers universe, but I would have to put Winter Soldier up near the top. Damn good movie.
 
Finally saw it. It's easily the best MCU film. The writing was great despite the usual comic book cheese lines thrown in, the plot was engaging and really fun to follow, nothing too surprising but I thought it was executed really well. It ties back very heavily to the first film, yet feels nothing like the first film or any other Marvel movie in tone. In fact it feels more like a Bourne movie than a superhero movie, though unlike the Bourne movies it has more than 2 action scenes and they actually show off the fighting and action well. And yes, the action scenes are great and there is plenty of them.

So yeah, really enjoyed it. I would recommend re-watching Cap 1 if you haven't seen it in a long time or have never seen it, because some of the plot points and scenes will definitely be more satisfying. If you hate the first one and never want to glance at it again, see this one anyways because it has nothing in common tonally.
 
https://twitter.com/ERCboxoffice/status/453607503398305792

Cap 2 passes $100 million domestic after just 4 days.
Oddly Cap 1 actually did better business on its 4th and 5 th days (Monday and Tuesday) than Cap 2.

Is this just due to Summer vs. Spring and kids being in school? I've never compared school-year weekday box office to summer weekday boxoffice before.


http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=captainamerica.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=marvel14b.htm
 
Great numbers, gonna see it again tomorrow.

My gf and I are going to see it again this weekend. We can't stop talking about how good it was. We ended up watching the first CA last night just to tide us over, lol.

Goddamn!

This movie was amazing. Action, pacing, characters, love it all! I was completely floored with the action choreography, they really upped their game with this movie. The movie's tone and feel is very distinctive different than the first film. I love Evan's Captain America, he's pure badass with that touch of naive with the modern world that make's him so enduring.

My girlfriend said something that I can kind of agree with: Evans in CA:TWS acted more like Superman / Clark Kent than Cavill did in Man of Steel. It's his friendly, trusting, approachable do-gooder attitude coupled with a natural leader aspect that seals it, Evans just personifies it so well. I'm not saying Cavill couldn't do it, but the character he portrayed in Man of Steel was totally bereft of that aspect.
 
Going to see this on Saturday, mainly due to good reviews etc...

I recall starting to watch the first film a while back, but stopped after 30 minutes or so, and never bothered with it. Would it be worthwhile watching the first film before seeing the new one?
 
Going to see this on Saturday, mainly due to good reviews etc...

I recall starting to watch the first film a while back, but stopped after 30 minutes or so, and never bothered with it. Would it be worthwhile watching the first film before seeing the new one?

Yea definitely, there is a major event in the first film that is pretty pivotal to this one.
 
Going to see this on Saturday, mainly due to good reviews etc...

I recall starting to watch the first film a while back, but stopped after 30 minutes or so, and never bothered with it. Would it be worthwhile watching the first film before seeing the new one?

Yes.
 
Saw it today, thought it was awesome. SWERVES everywhere. GSP had the most interesting fight of his life. Cap did a half nelson suplex and Tazmission. The whole movie felt like all of the Metal Gear games rolled into one with a coherent story. Lots of violence and death. Robert Redford has some Newman's Own in his fridge.


This feels like it has (or should have) more of a big time, lasting impact on the entire MCU than even The Avengers. I'm glad Marvel is taking things in a way different direction that I expected and I'm excited to see where they take it over the next few years. It makes me want to watch AOS and see where that show goes from the events of this movie. I hope Phase 2 and 3 continue with the direction of TWS and less of The Dark World. Not that I disliked The Dark World, but there is a pretty huge gulf in....everything from it to TWS.

There are SO many ways the MCU can go after this and I hope they continue to take risks. GOTG being made at all fills me with hope. I went from negative hype to being fully on board for that after the stinger on TDW and trailer before this. I'm ready. What's really impressive to me is how well Marvel has handled the character of Cap while DC has no idea what to do with Superman. They're pretty similar and fill the same roll in their universe. Granted, Marvel also has had 3 movies with the same character and actor and DC has had 2 different types of movies with 2 different actors, but they also didn't come close to nailing the tone and character with either Superman movie as Marvel has with any of the 3 movies Cap has been in. The character has really catapulted to one of my favorites in all of comics over the last few years.






The Russo brothers have to be MGS fans, right? It felt like there were too many similarities to various MGS games to be a coincidence.
 
I want to watch The Avengers and to prepare myself I've been watching all of the character films (Iron Man, Captain America: First Avenger, Thor). Which Hulk movies are "canon" in the MCU series so it clicks in with The Avengers?
 
I want to watch The Avengers and to prepare myself I've been watching all of the character films (Iron Man, Captain America: First Avenger, Thor). Which Hulk movies are "canon" in the MCU series so it clicks in with The Avengers?

Also give Iron Man 2 a watch. Its not great by any means but I think it gets way too much hate. Its worth two hours of your time
 
Saw it today, thought it was awesome. SWERVES everywhere. GSP had the most interesting fight of his life. Cap did a half nelson suplex and Tazmission. The whole movie felt like all of the Metal Gear games rolled into one with a coherent story. Lots of violence and death. Robert Redford has some Newman's Own in his fridge.


This feels like it has (or should have) more of a big time, lasting impact on the entire MCU than even The Avengers. I'm glad Marvel is taking things in a way different direction that I expected and I'm excited to see where they take it over the next few years. It makes me want to watch AOS and see where that show goes from the events of this movie. I hope Phase 2 and 3 continue with the direction of TWS and less of The Dark World. Not that I disliked The Dark World, but there is a pretty huge gulf in....everything from it to TWS.

There are SO many ways the MCU can go after this and I hope they continue to take risks. GOTG being made at all fills me with hope. I went from negative hype to being fully on board for that after the stinger on TDW and trailer before this. I'm ready. What's really impressive to me is how well Marvel has handled the character of Cap while DC has no idea what to do with Superman. They're pretty similar and fill the same roll in their universe. Granted, Marvel also has had 3 movies with the same character and actor and DC has had 2 different types of movies with 2 different actors, but they also didn't come close to nailing the tone and character with either Superman movie as Marvel has with any of the 3 movies Cap has been in. The character has really catapulted to one of my favorites in all of comics over the last few years.



The Russo brothers have to be MGS fans, right? It felt like there were too many similarities to various MGS games to be a coincidence.

The movie might as well have been called "Swere"

Superman has always been "weird" to bring to big screen. Some of the early works have been good but translating the character in a modern world has been sloppy for DC. At times tho every since Nolan, I feel WB is a little more "ashamed" of comic heritage while as of late Marvel has been willing to get away from the "grounded" approach.
 
Not Sam Rami's "Hulk"? Just that one?



I just watched it a few hours ago. I thought it was pretty good. Only slightly worse than the first Iron Man.

Yeah. But Sam Rami's Hulk is worth watching for different reasons. Its not part of the MCU and I'm not even sure how good I'd call it but its a very very....interesting movie.
 
I just watched this movie today...incredible!

I don't particularly understand how Zola was able to use this "algorithm" to read the world like a digital book.
 
I want to watch The Avengers and to prepare myself I've been watching all of the character films (Iron Man, Captain America: First Avenger, Thor). Which Hulk movies are "canon" in the MCU series so it clicks in with The Avengers?

The 2003 Hulk is technically part of the canon, as the situation it ends with (Bruce going to South America to hide out) is referenced in broad strokes in Incredible Hulk. I'd so both are worth watching, even the former (due to the fact that it feels so... unlike a Hulk film).
 
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