Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 6: Final Destination confirmed for not fun
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Seven Force
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Wouldn't be surprised if Inafune (before leaving Capcom) had some influence on the Megaman content for MvC3. Zero was added to TvC at his suggestion, after all.
Look at Luma. Does kicks to the side when Rosalina does that move. That wouldn't make sense as an Up Air.
NeonZ
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I'm not saying that there weren't reasons for some of the additions mentioned there, but it still results in a seemingly random selection, since you can end up with secondary characters before the protagonist. Like I said above, Cyclops was randomly bumped off from Marvel vs Capcom 1, he was even promoted by Capcom itself as the main X-Men, paired up with Ryu in promo art. And, in spite of lack of popularity during some years, Cyclops has always been a central figure in all versions of X-Men aside from the movies.
Sakurai's approach of always adding the protagonist, before going for popular characters in the same franchise is just more consistent than Capcom's "sometimes based on popularity, sometimes on developers' choice" even within each series.
Demitri's situation is kind of hilarious. The one who was originally supposed to be Darkstalkers protagonist seems to only consistently appear in Darkstalkers crossovers made by other companies (like Namco x Capcom, Project X Zone, Cross Edge and Snk vs Capcom).
It probably is an up air. I think the backflip is what's awkward about it. Looks very different from standard up airs.
Also I like how one of Rosalina's down attacks is a small breakdance. Not even Peach has moves that much with her dress.
Diprosalic
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Rosalina seems straight up top tier based on potential.
But what do i know, she's probably really bad.
But what do i know, she's probably really bad.
After using the Luma Shot, it seems Luma's movements are random. Rosalina does have control over its attacks though.
EDIT: And I don't have it in the GIF or WebM there, but Luma does jump after using the attack.
Well you gotta remember marvel kinda wants people in those games.
Two, cyclops isn't the protagonist of the x men . There isn't main x men protagonist, its a rotation kinda thing, and it depends on who they are promoting right now. Cyclops is a main x men sure, but there are other main x men. If MVC4 was made now, cyclops would definitely be in. That " cyclops was right " stuff caught fire.
Actually come to think of it, in both .gifs, Luma seems to use some sort of attack that punches on both sides every time Rosalina uses her aerial. Is it possible that it's just jumping because Rosalina lands on a higher platform and it's trying to get on the same level?
God this is so confusing.
Starphoenix
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Didn't seem to deter Sakurai from going after him.
I think that is right. In the trailer when Donkey Kong grabs Rosalina and jumps, Luma seems to do a double jump trying to match the height level Rosalina is at.
In both scenarios in the GIFs, Luma jumps after the attack.
Here Luma does the same thing:
I was thinking this when I was writing the post, but didn't see it in the second WebM/GIF so I didn't post it. But I just checked the trailer and it shows Luma jump in the last few frames.
I kinda wish bad box art Megaman appears in some form.
Akuma... Er... Yeah, that's got me. I like playing him, but he feels like an uninspired choice.
Tron Bonne was popular from Marvel vs Capcom 2. Zero is popular in general. Nemesis is cool and fun, so I don't care who he takes the spot of.
Akuma... Er... Yeah, that's got me. I like playing him, but he feels like an uninspired choice.Shadow Hog
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If you were female, you could say it was SCARING THE LITTLE GIRRRRRL.
It'd probably be one of his his stage intro lines.
Akuma was the first one that crossed over
he is also one of the most popular street fighter characters.
My God, he's like a living cartoon character.
Ah, that makes sense.
Also, the fact that UMVC3 will never be patched and Sentinel will always be crap for anything but its assist saddens me.
Karsticles
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Capcom JP is really out of touch with its fanbase.
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No shit.
" hey lets reboot DMC because the people that have been giving us money for this weird Japanese shit, do not like weird Japanese shit anymore for reasons"
* it sells less than DMC4 and does not meet profits*
" It was a success ! "
SenorArdilla
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Days of Ruin got such a bad rap for no reason.
Because people thought it was trying to be dark and mature. Therefore edgy.
Penny has the best CO theme in DoR.
Yoooo capital idea
Play through classic mode with every character to get a feel for how I like them, like I usually do.
Karsticles
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Removing the target of an adjective just makes the sentence meaningless. No, not corrected.
I love weird Japanese shit.No shit.
" hey lets reboot DMC because the people that have been giving us money for this weird Japanese shit, do not like weird Japanese shit anymore for reasons"
* it sells less than DMC4 and does not meet profits*
" It was a success ! "
The same thing I did with Brawl:
Set up me vs. AI at 500% damage and mash "A" for 3 hours while reading GAF. Fastest way to unlock all the characters.
My implication was that they're out of touch with reality.
Karsticles
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Then say "with reality".
I don't think that sentence is accurate, though. Capcom engages with reality in many meaningful ways. It is a more bombastic sentiment, but ultimately not grounded in reality.
theprodigy
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Days of Ruin got such a bad rap for no reason.
a certain someone's favorite character has been spotted
Samus should get a Megaman costume.
And Megaman should get a Samus costume.
Metroid: Other M is another example. Recent Japanese games tend to trend more linear, while Western games tend to be less linear. This isn't a judgement against either, but that's how it seems to trend. Metroid is remembered fondly for its non-linear exploration, so it seems like that is what Other M's "western touch" would be, right? Nope, Other M is inexplicably filled with horrible trends of modern Western triple A gaming: Forced walking sections, press X not to die QTEs, and "cinematic" touches like shaky cam during cutscenes. Meanwhile, it's the most stick-up-its-ass linear Metroid game ever made (And that includes Hunters).
Worst of both worlds.
And Megaman should get a Samus costume.
I feel like a lot of Japanese studios are looking at the worst parts of Western game design and are replacing their own better parts with those, coming across as a horrible mishmash.No shit.
" hey lets reboot DMC because the people that have been giving us money for this weird Japanese shit, do not like weird Japanese shit anymore for reasons"
* it sells less than DMC4 and does not meet profits*
" It was a success ! "
Metroid: Other M is another example. Recent Japanese games tend to trend more linear, while Western games tend to be less linear. This isn't a judgement against either, but that's how it seems to trend. Metroid is remembered fondly for its non-linear exploration, so it seems like that is what Other M's "western touch" would be, right? Nope, Other M is inexplicably filled with horrible trends of modern Western triple A gaming: Forced walking sections, press X not to die QTEs, and "cinematic" touches like shaky cam during cutscenes. Meanwhile, it's the most stick-up-its-ass linear Metroid game ever made (And that includes Hunters).
Worst of both worlds.
Days of Ruin got such a bad rap for no reason.
I'm including DoR in the collective cast. I loved that game. Hopefully some of the music makes it into the soundtrack.
Nocturnowl
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This makes too much sense not to happen.
Except it'll unfortunately more likely be "You unlocked the Wonder Red Assist Trophy"
I need to consult my translations to respond to that final point.
Okay, Gage's/Trak's theme was my vote because suddenly bagpipes.
Since DoR/DC was the first one I played it was weird going back to Dual Strike with the jolly cheerfulness of war.
Demitri's exclusion was Marvel's fault, since they absolutely refused to allow Midnight Bliss to be used on their characters.
Many of Marvel's choices were based on what was going on in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, hence the inclusion of characters like Hawkeye, Rocket Raccoon, & Doctor Strange.
As for Cyclops, he was losing relevancy at the time. But now with younger Cyclops getting his own comic, I'd say he's climbing his way back up.
Who said that? I recall Niitsuma saying something about RAM limitations and that creating separate models for each character would be a time/resource drain, but nothing about Marvel refusing it.
Not to go too far off topic here, but this makes me think about why I really love Dark Souls. It blended a lot of elements of WRPG's, such as non-linear exploration and semi-roguelike death, with very distinctly japanese elements such as dedicated weapon animations. It seems to have a good feel for what resonated about old japanese games while also having a good western fit too.
Back on topic, I think Palutena will be an unlock. I doubt she'll be announced.
The RAM was the final nail in the coffin for him. But even if they got past the RAM issue, Marvel was adamant about Midnight Bliss.
Not surprising considering this is the same company who micromanaged everything Capcom did with Doctor Strange, right down to the lack of an air dash.
Not75Drops
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I didn't realize this earlier because I watched the US stream (because YT>>>Ustream) but aparently NoE is pointlessly changing the names of certain stages in the game, for example:
- Palutena's Temple is 'Skyworld'
- Find Mii is 'StreetPass Quest'
- Villagers FS is 'Housewarming Party'
I know that Find Mii is SQ here in Europe for some reason but it's just weird. They did this in MK Wii and 7 (probably 8 as well) and for all I know, NoA is the one changing them while Europe is keeping the literal translations but it would be less confusing. The names above aren't that bad though.
- Palutena's Temple is 'Skyworld'
- Find Mii is 'StreetPass Quest'
- Villagers FS is 'Housewarming Party'
I know that Find Mii is SQ here in Europe for some reason but it's just weird. They did this in MK Wii and 7 (probably 8 as well) and for all I know, NoA is the one changing them while Europe is keeping the literal translations but it would be less confusing. The names above aren't that bad though.
Seconded. A lot of the big questions (Ridley, Palutena, Mewtwo) will probably have to wait until release.
Unfortunately I don't have all century so I'm going to have to kidnap Sakurai.
Smash is mine now, suckers.
My issue is that I do not mind western reboots and vice versa , I find the idea super interesting. The problem is that they reboot things that don't need to be rebooted, or changed. I didn't mind bionic commando ( despite quality ) because it wasn't a thing for a while, if you are doing franchises that hasn't had entries for a very long time to try and bring it back, yeah fine sure. Why change up formula that work already to chance that illusive AAA dollar. If i were investor I would be more concerned about the companies doing that than the ones that aren't that chase the west stuff is pretty damaging.
my issue with Other M is that idea, was great. I would like a world where samus is more than lost in a scary place, maybe a whole other series like paper mario. But the execution of both story and gameplay seems like it comes from a place that doesn't actually understand what a western touch might be. The worse attempts at that kind of thing seems like the reverse of those " how to draw anime books" , " how to make western games "
But I am getting WAY too off topic.
To respond to the more ontopic question i posed.
Link should have a sigfried ( refence ) costume
Bowser should have a king DeDeDe costume and vice versa
Little Mac should have a steve fox ( reference ) outfit.
Zelda should have some type of KI outfit.
Ness and Lucas should have outfit of different pokemon trainers
ZSS should have either star fox gear, or if snake is included, a sneaking suit.
Incendiary
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I apologize if this has already been postulated/mentioned, but since the character's name is "Rosalina & Luma" I don't think the Luma needs to be summoned. Like the Ice Climbers, you probably just start with Luma to begin with. It doesn't seem like (from any footage I've seen at least) that Luma can be knocked away/killed. The only time I've seen Rosalina without Luma is during the Up-B special move example, and it's hard to tell whether Rosalina is actually by herself or if the Luma is still on the main stage platform.
That isn't very punny.
Speaking of starting out, do we know if character introductions from 64/Brawl are back yet?
Doesn't look like it was implemented in the last year's build. I'd say they're probably back though.
Doesn't look like it was implemented in the last year's build. I'd say they're probably back though.
theprodigy
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I would laugh if Rosalina can set up some infinite with the Luma