I love Sona, and she's easy to faceroll and still contribute, but it's important to be careful about putting too much of your learning time into her. She's very, very footsie-centric and won't teach you much other than positioning unless you start being a crazy, bloodthirsty stealth APC who will make most lowbie ADCs rage. (And even that's really dependent on positioning and Flash.)
Introduction to MOBAs
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I love Sona, and she's easy to faceroll and still contribute, but it's important to be careful about putting too much of your learning time into her. She's very, very footsie-centric and won't teach you much other than positioning unless you start being a crazy, bloodthirsty stealth APC who will make most lowbie ADCs rage. (And even that's really dependent on positioning and Flash.)
Glorious Ownage
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I always thought MOBA stood for Multiplayer online base assault and that made sense to me given what you tend to do in these games. Multiplayer online battle arena sounds like every competitive multiplayer game under the sun
It's a bad acronym, to be sure, but games like DOTA takes bits and pieces of every genre under the sun. When trying to describe such a game, you're bound to run into some... vagueness.
Anyway the thread title should be changed to Lords Management.
Anyway the thread title should be changed to Lords Management.
Schweinehund
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Did much better my second game jungling freia, unfortunately it seems either there are a bunch of smurfs or mmr isn't in place yet because most of the people I'm playing against have a good grasp on the game, and this is like my second game. Think I'll shelf it for now until it gets released.
Really like the animations though, silky smooth.
Really like the animations though, silky smooth.
I think Moba is decent enough to use. Sure, it's very wide and vague, but more people know what it means than a Loma. Lord's Management sounds like Crusader Kings 2 or something, so replacing a more used vague name with a less used just as vague name won't really accomplish anything other than confusion.
Head of Vengarl
Banned
Aw yiss
I've been playing Smite since 2012 when it was still pretty early on in beta, and I must say it's come a long way in every regard. I honestly didn't expect much of it but I'm very impressed with what Hi-Rez has done. What really sets it apart for me is the Arena game mode, which is basically one big teamfight that lasts between 15-20 mins.
Don't get me wrong, I love Dota 2, but the problem is that the games take too long. I often find myself with only 30-40 mins of uninterrupted spare time for gaming, and that simply isn't enough time to safely join a Dota 2 match. Valve really needs to put in a quicker game mode for Dota 2.
Also, the OP should have the most important MOBA tip: The mute button is your friend. I know Dota 2 and Smite let you mute players, and I'd be shocked if LoL and the other MOBAs didn't also. Life is short, don't waste time dealing with the plentiful amount of shitheads that exist in this genre.
I've been playing Smite since 2012 when it was still pretty early on in beta, and I must say it's come a long way in every regard. I honestly didn't expect much of it but I'm very impressed with what Hi-Rez has done. What really sets it apart for me is the Arena game mode, which is basically one big teamfight that lasts between 15-20 mins.
Don't get me wrong, I love Dota 2, but the problem is that the games take too long. I often find myself with only 30-40 mins of uninterrupted spare time for gaming, and that simply isn't enough time to safely join a Dota 2 match. Valve really needs to put in a quicker game mode for Dota 2.
Also, the OP should have the most important MOBA tip: The mute button is your friend. I know Dota 2 and Smite let you mute players, and I'd be shocked if LoL and the other MOBAs didn't also. Life is short, don't waste time dealing with the plentiful amount of shitheads that exist in this genre.
re: genre choice
language is by consensus my friends, and when 80% of the industry+players understands the genre as "MOBA", you should just use MOBA
yeah, say that to the 4 minute 4 man pushes plaguing the scene
the meta is how pro players can abuse the game, try to design all you want.
you should join the OT to ask more questions.
also ignore everybody, you just started the game - there is really no metagame to be had yet.
because we can do this
language is by consensus my friends, and when 80% of the industry+players understands the genre as "MOBA", you should just use MOBA
yeah, say that to the 4 minute 4 man pushes plaguing the scene
the meta is how pro players can abuse the game, try to design all you want.
you should join the OT to ask more questions.
also ignore everybody, you just started the game - there is really no metagame to be had yet.
are we doing this?I like this.
because we can do this
SteveWinwood
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The viewers fluctuate so much I just posted the last one for funsies. In general LoL is always 1st spot. Most of the time Dota 2 is second. If there is a major tournament or a popular livestreamer doing some random game like Hearthstone or Starcraft that will be up there instead.
SteveWinwood
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ded game
Sr Kitsune
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o yea well dis is now
picture obviously photoshopped
Yes, but that is the real current numbers, give or take ~1,000. The big tournaments are over, and Dendi is the only stream really pulling numbers at the moment.
Marauder Shields
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Guys pls. HOTS is the game we deserve.
lotr moba or bust
There are literally more people watching Clash of Clans right now than HotS.
Clash of Clans
Dreams-Visions
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Aw yiss
that's awesome.
almost awesome enough to get me to reinstall the game. Idunno. I just...idunno.
My issue with this argument is that that was the past. In the present, we should have known better, done better, accomplished better.
I could actually get behind the term if it was Base Assault. Until then, I'll call the genre Hero Brawler to tick people off.
To be fair, HotS is still in alpha, so it has a lower player base to draw viewers from. Servers reset tomorrow and there will be new heroes in a patch, so there's not much incentive to play or watch right now.
The latest hero in HoN (Riptide) has a skillset that fluctuates based on an environmental factor (like Night Stalker in DotA / Dota 2), but that environmental factor is water. The cool thing about this (to me at least) is that suddenly the fact that there's a silly river in the middle of the map actually has a meaningful (mechanical) relevance. Has any other MOBA given substantive qualities to its river like this?
1v1 tides of blood, let's go!
Schweinehund
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I wish dota 2 had role select like league did for their ranked mm.
Tired of trolls troll picking, and I wish there was a valid reason I could report them. I've been in enough games where two people fight over mid that I don't want to play anymore.
I understand that dota 2 laning isn't as static as league's is, but atleast selecting mid or support role would alleviate alot of my garbage games.
Tired of trolls troll picking, and I wish there was a valid reason I could report them. I've been in enough games where two people fight over mid that I don't want to play anymore.
I understand that dota 2 laning isn't as static as league's is, but atleast selecting mid or support role would alleviate alot of my garbage games.
That's pretty cool, I always wanted there to be visible footsteps in the river if you were invisible. Thought that'd be an interesting mechanic.
That makes more sense to me, I always thought it was a stupid acronym for the genre for the same reasons but base assault fits the genre better maybe I'll just read it like that in my head so I don't find it as ridiculous.
Really old versions of Dota gave some water based heroes improved movement on Water, but it was scrapped a long time ago. Could be a cool thing to bring back, but I don't think its something that should to be really elaborate due to how little water there is. I don't like how in HoN the guy make the entire map "covered in water".
Really old versions of dota had pretty broken heroes. Death Ward Riki, Gambler, 28 spell Invoker was nuts, old visage, old weaver(summoned 8 invisible flying units with massive vision), old naix (who had 3 passives and an active ult that gave him like 10-15 seconds of magic immunity) etc.
Release versions of tusk, Phoenix and ember spirit were pretty bad as well. (release versions for dota 1 that is)
they probably havent done it because it sounds incredibly niche
the other games generally put their character-map interactions as part of their jungle element (e.g. trees/brush)
league could use river interaction tho. seeing as how half the fights are in the river
MixedUpzombies
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Now that it is out of NDA I can say, Dead Island: Epidemic a is really good introduction to MOBAs even though I might not say it is a MOBA in it self.
don't really agree. she's less punishing for button mashers but it's not like playing thresh will make you a better support player. she has a low skill floor but her skill ceiling is decent enough that can teach you a lot of valuable things
her ult teaches you disengage and flash->crescendo engages. you learn how to hold your strongest spell for the most important moment, etc.
her passive teaches you to harass with spells and autoattacks, and also to micro to get the good powerchords off, specially lategame
her mana costs are restrictive enough you gotta learn to balance to sustain health and mana at the same time in lane
she's very squishy so you have to learn how to position in lane and late game
she also teaches how to build smart since it varies from game to game (unlike, say, leona, who always builds tanky)
sona's awesome
SteveWinwood
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Some lol'er explain to me how clairvoyance isn't totally broken. Is it only because everyone just takes flash and that nuke.
You just buy wards. Summoner spells are too useful in League. Right now Teleport and Heal are the OP ones though.
SteveWinwood
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People made fun of me for taking those when I last played
It's all riot would let me take.
Schweinehund
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ending is perfect
People made fun of me for taking those when I last played
It's all riot would let me take.
Just grind for 10 hours and you can get flash and play the game for real
It's sort of like nuclear escalation. People are forced to use it because everyone else uses it.
About time people started taking Teleport, are you still stuck with a 5 minute cooldown? The lack of easy early game movement is one of my least thing of LoL, it takes so long to go from bot T1 to top T1.
thats how long it takes me to get my bkb
on paper it sounds weak, but it has so much potential compared to the other spells. its the fastest jump ability in the game, letting you dodge stuff if you have the speed for it, and has all these weird interactions with different spells, letting you pull off some powerful trix
SteveWinwood
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That's called power creep and then everything is op.