Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. |OT| Tahiti is a Magical Place (to...Hey guys, I found it!)
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I don't think they can bring him back from this.
Pai Pai Master
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Loved Coulson's reaction to the string of bad news.
"...Awesome!"
This episode was impactful, set up the rest of the season very well, and had some great lines. Paxton was great and Oswalt was hilarious.
"What did you want to tell me?"
"Oh yeah Fury's not dead!"
Also loved that they had a secret HYDRA base hidden in a barbershop, good callback to the classic hidden SHIELD base.
"...Awesome!"
This episode was impactful, set up the rest of the season very well, and had some great lines. Paxton was great and Oswalt was hilarious.
"What did you want to tell me?"
"Oh yeah Fury's not dead!"
Also loved that they had a secret HYDRA base hidden in a barbershop, good callback to the classic hidden SHIELD base.
……forgetit
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My God, can they decide if they want this show to be Hulu Plus or not already? It seems to go in and out for whatever reason.
Liked the episode - it had a more transitional tone after the thrilling previous two-parter. HYDRA's way ahead of Coulson's team by now, let's see what they do with all that alien stuff they got in the Fridge.
Regarding Ward, he's cool as a villain. I hope they don't try to "redeem" him - if there's a S2 I want him to be a main antagonist. Not necessarily THE Big Bad, but still there, playing a big part. However (speculation)
. That would be horribly predictable and it would suck.
Regarding Ward, he's cool as a villain. I hope they don't try to "redeem" him - if there's a S2 I want him to be a main antagonist. Not necessarily THE Big Bad, but still there, playing a big part. However (speculation)
I'm getting the feeling they will slowly try to redeem him over the course of the next few episodes. He'll become this conflicted villain, torn between his love for Skye and his loyalty to Garrett... and to avoid the consequences of him having killed lots of innocent SHIELD agents, he'll die with a big, heroic sacrifice to atone for his bad deeds
Cornballer
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Keyser Soze
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The Ward stuff seems pretty similar to what they did with Aiden Ford in Stargate Atlantis.
He was with the main team for the first season, but was an underused/underdeveloped character. He then went bad. Then he was supposed to be a big bad for Season 2, but got dropped
Odds on Ward been a recurring character for Season 2 are high IMO, but I would not be surprised to see the actor get another show altogether.
He was with the main team for the first season, but was an underused/underdeveloped character. He then went bad. Then he was supposed to be a big bad for Season 2, but got dropped
Odds on Ward been a recurring character for Season 2 are high IMO, but I would not be surprised to see the actor get another show altogether.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
To be fair, it was The Avengers that saved New York, and Cap didn't agree with what SHIELD was doing even before he knew they were compromised by HYDRA. He may be the only one that has any pull with the government and I don't think he'd stick up for SHIELD at this point, he wanted it gone.
Probably the best line in the entire series so far. The actor they cast for that part was perfect, as was Paxton's delivery in that scene.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Just download them mate
Cornballer
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You can watch it on ABC.com right now if you're a cable/satellite/FiOS subscriber.
Mighty Chin
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Wow one episode and it's grating? I want everything i want right now.!
I feel like they kind of dropped the ball on evil Ward. The dialogue was not bad, for him, but he oversold the EVIL element and it kind of hurts his character and their potential with this plotline,
He came off as far too in control of himself, like what he was doing was everything he wanted to do anything because he is a complete sociopath that gets off on all the EVIL.
Where as scenes like his conversation with the girl in the flower dress gave a more nuanced interpretation. Ward should not just be high on what a bad guy he is, he should be a fundamentally broken and almost brainwashed person that hates himself for the things he does, but does them because axton saved him and like he said in this episode He owes him everything. I would like to see him being, or having been shaped to be, someone who actually believes in the flowery interpretation of Hydra ideology.
No one, apparently, knows how bad the world can be like him, and Hydra espouses world order and control as a means of ensuring stability and peace, Coulson should be one of those disadvantaged people that Hydra took in and took advantage of from a young age, he should believe in SHIELD in effect having been Hydra, and them being two sides of the same coin. It is just the means and methods that differ.
Coulsons scene in the forest was almost good, but in general his stuff was good in this episode. They are already setting up Coulson forgiving May via Coulson having to keep the secret about Fury. While this episode was not my favorite or anything, It made me want next weeks episode to hurry up and get here, because DAMN at all the stuff they pulled out of the fridge (including the berzerker staff). Gravitorium/Gravitron incoming.
He came off as far too in control of himself, like what he was doing was everything he wanted to do anything because he is a complete sociopath that gets off on all the EVIL.
Where as scenes like his conversation with the girl in the flower dress gave a more nuanced interpretation. Ward should not just be high on what a bad guy he is, he should be a fundamentally broken and almost brainwashed person that hates himself for the things he does, but does them because axton saved him and like he said in this episode He owes him everything. I would like to see him being, or having been shaped to be, someone who actually believes in the flowery interpretation of Hydra ideology.
No one, apparently, knows how bad the world can be like him, and Hydra espouses world order and control as a means of ensuring stability and peace, Coulson should be one of those disadvantaged people that Hydra took in and took advantage of from a young age, he should believe in SHIELD in effect having been Hydra, and them being two sides of the same coin. It is just the means and methods that differ.
Coulsons scene in the forest was almost good, but in general his stuff was good in this episode. They are already setting up Coulson forgiving May via Coulson having to keep the secret about Fury. While this episode was not my favorite or anything, It made me want next weeks episode to hurry up and get here, because DAMN at all the stuff they pulled out of the fridge (including the berzerker staff). Gravitorium/Gravitron incoming.
Given his body count, I don't think it's possible any more.
I was slightly kidding.
Still, I'd rather not see his identity become a dragged out storyline with only the few episodes left.
BlackBanditSho
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Nah. Thats too cliche for me. I dig evil Ward. He's so much more interesting now. I also dig that he totally acknowledges and empathizes a little for his former mates, but that he's 100% hydra. If they try to do some kind of redemption, it will ruin it. i'll swallow a moment of letting Skye or coulson go if he has them in the crosshairs, an act that may seem redemptive but would be revealed as TOTALLY self- serving...I'd be completely down for a selfish, calculating, three moves ahead asshole Ward. Making him the guy you love to hate is great! Change of heart/brainwashed/confused Ward?
Nah... I'll give up on the show. Go ALL the way like Redford in Cap.
When he says Hail Hydra, he means it to the end and honestly believes in what Hydra's trying to do. Give me a Ward like THAT.
Nah, this is the guy (coulson) who kills innocent guards at a secret base /s
I think it could be done ("I did it all for you skye", skye looks at the ground, half furious, half in love) but i don't see how it could be good
Jest Chillin
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Ward is being evil doesn't change the basis of his character. He's been an uncaring machine since the start and he still is now. The only person to elicit emotion from him is Skye and even as evil Ward, she still elicits emotions from him. Ward and May are the epitome of what an Agent is programmed to be. You see the same lack of emotion from the Guards at the top of The Fridge and you also see why they're trained to be that way. The moment one of them gave in to emotion, he made a decision that cost both of them their lives.
Evil Ward isn't relishing being evil. He's thoughtless about it. Doing what should be done to accomplish the tasks assigned and to give his side the edge.
Evil Ward isn't relishing being evil. He's thoughtless about it. Doing what should be done to accomplish the tasks assigned and to give his side the edge.
crimsonheadGCN
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Ratings seem to be up:
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...-new-girl-down-the-originals-hits-low/254439/
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...-new-girl-down-the-originals-hits-low/254439/
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Loved Coulson's reaction to the string of bad news.
"...Awesome!"
This episode was impactful, set up the rest of the season very well, and had some great lines. Paxton was great and Oswalt was hilarious.
"What did you want to tell me?"
"Oh yeah Fury's not dead!"
Also loved that they had a secret HYDRA base hidden in a barbershop, good callback to the classic hidden SHIELD base.
Really wanted that guy to be Bob, Agent of Hydra
Humour was wicked on point this episode.
Oh God.
Is that... good? Or just mediocre?
I'm hoping that Garrett is a stepping stone to some broader Hydra villainy. To me, the Centipede stuff seems like small potatoes compared to what's going on with the broader post Winter Soldier MCU world. Garrett also seems to be into Hydra solely because he knew SHIELD was coming down and for me it's kind of like we had the big reveal last week and then it's back to B-grade business as usual except that we know who and what the Clairvoyant is. Garrett's response to the "hail Hydra" this week makes me think he's really just up to some opportunistic general villainy that could technically exist without Hydra.
I'd love to see a notable villain introduced in the last minute of the season finale, Thanos-at-the-end-of-Avengers style. I'm not thinking Red Skull or anything but after this week, it seems like the immediate threat for our heroes really isn't Hyrdra, just some people sorta, kinda connected to Hyrdra. At least Garrett needs to be answering to someone and maybe we can get a glimpse of who that is.
Don't get me wrong though, I'm really enjoying the show especially since Skye got shot but I'm in the "more substantial connections to the MCU, the better" camp.
Also, no Ward redemption please. It's possible for him to have the hots for Skye and stay an antagonist. Or get killed and not in some heroic return.
I'd love to see a notable villain introduced in the last minute of the season finale, Thanos-at-the-end-of-Avengers style. I'm not thinking Red Skull or anything but after this week, it seems like the immediate threat for our heroes really isn't Hyrdra, just some people sorta, kinda connected to Hyrdra. At least Garrett needs to be answering to someone and maybe we can get a glimpse of who that is.
Don't get me wrong though, I'm really enjoying the show especially since Skye got shot but I'm in the "more substantial connections to the MCU, the better" camp.
Also, no Ward redemption please. It's possible for him to have the hots for Skye and stay an antagonist. Or get killed and not in some heroic return.
I am not even looking for redemption, just a more three dimensional take on the situation. There is no need for a change of heart Ward, but a semi brain washed, conflicted, self loathing asshole who is also convinced he is serving the greater good? That is more interesting. He does not have to turn good or anything.
In the same way that Cap 2 could have benefited from a scene showing how Hydra ideology can seduce relatively good people, I think the whole thing would be better served with someone like Ward being a better executed example of that concept.
I like your interpretation, but Ward spent almost the entirety of the last episode smirking whenever he got to do something evil.
EDIT: I guess what I am describing is pretty much exactly what they are trying to do between
1) I owe Coulson some but I owe Garette everything
2) His love of Sky
3) being 100% Hydra
It probably just comes down to execution. I want more of the deranged unhinged Ward we saw at the end of episode 17. Someone who is profoundly damaged and out of control in what they are willing to do, in a completely in control and self rationalized way.
TacticalFox88
Banned
You know, fuck it. Skye and Ward's phone conversation actually had some charm.
Hail HYDRA
Shut up Bob
D: ....
Tell me something good.
We have internet.
Yay! (Pause.) And boy, have I lowered my expectations.
Love to have the old Coulson (from IM1,2 and Thor) back.
Byakuya769
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Ward has to stay bad. It's the only way he's been interesting.
Over/under on a falcon cameo next season?
Over/under on a falcon cameo next season?
NotTheGuyYouKill
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crimsonheadGCN
Banned
They should have a Batroc the Leaper cameo next season. Maybe have him be one of the big bads for an episode or two.
It would be hilarious if they just cropped Falcon out of Cap 2 and pasted him over top of new (terrible) CGI backgrounds.
Not sure if his schedule would accommodate, but they could get away with it by having him speak french the entire time.
New low in total viewers though right? 5.07 million and barely up a blip from last week.
Seems like a lot of people were watching Agents of SHIELD to see what the show had up its sleeve (TAHITI, CAP 2 tie in) and now that it is all out there, are not bothering to tune back in.
Seriously the Lady Sif episode actually gave the show a bump, where as Cap 2 seems to have only hurt ratings. Episode 17 was a series low.
Not sure if his schedule would accommodate, but they could get away with it by having him speak french the entire time.
New low in total viewers though right? 5.07 million and barely up a blip from last week.
Seems like a lot of people were watching Agents of SHIELD to see what the show had up its sleeve (TAHITI, CAP 2 tie in) and now that it is all out there, are not bothering to tune back in.
Seriously the Lady Sif episode actually gave the show a bump, where as Cap 2 seems to have only hurt ratings. Episode 17 was a series low.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Another unremarkable episode that needlessly slows the pace of the show and could go as far as to hit the reset button on the baddie count. Oh, and the action scene on that rooftop was amateur. Like, Chuck-bad.
Pros: We finally knew that Ward was rotten from the beginning. No more wondering there, so good.
Cons: Everything else.
I wasn't expecting a drop this big after the previous episode. I've been watching AoS so far because I could see the potential, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to stay until the season finale. The entire thing feels like a huge waste of time in terms of writing and budget. This show needs new hands.
Pros: We finally knew that Ward was rotten from the beginning. No more wondering there, so good.
Cons: Everything else.
I wasn't expecting a drop this big after the previous episode. I've been watching AoS so far because I could see the potential, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to stay until the season finale. The entire thing feels like a huge waste of time in terms of writing and budget. This show needs new hands.
Might just be me, but I saw early season Ward as boring and cookie cutter "Lead Action Actor", and it seems like the showrunners saw the same thing, and did this. Cause he's at least now a watchable role.
Now, will they go the step further, and have him kill one of the other main characters? Because if they do go into the "redemption" where he's welcomed back on the team, then I'll stop watching, simply because it wouldn't make sense following last nights episode and his actions.
Now, will they go the step further, and have him kill one of the other main characters? Because if they do go into the "redemption" where he's welcomed back on the team, then I'll stop watching, simply because it wouldn't make sense following last nights episode and his actions.
Could totally see Fitz biting it - he's super-redundant w/ Skye/Simmons around.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
He has sunk to nothing in the past few episodes. Which annoys me, because he's one of the likeable ones.
Also, Coulson's "inspirational speech" in the sticks was Terrible with a capital T. I'm still not sure if he was trying to raise the morale of his team or if he was just raving like a lunatic.
Ughh...I fucking hope not. Just kill Triplett.
Supposed to be the latter... he was slowly losing it.
A Walking Dead fan, I see.
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