MannyToons
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Speaking of Nintendo Land, Monita better make an appearance.
Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 7: How Can My Smash Brother Be This Cut
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Speaking of Nintendo Land, Monita better make an appearance.
BassForever
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Surprised there isn't a Nintendo Land stage seems like an obvious way to have a shifting stage with a wide variety of mechanics
I think having both Ridley and Nightmare as bosses for the Pyrosphere stage would be awesome. Nightmare would make an AWESOME boss! Plus, both bosses were in Other M. Sure, Nightmare wasn't fought in the Pyrosphere, but when have details like that ever mattered in Smash Bros.? I mean, c'mon, we got Cresselia in Spear Pillar.
JStein0222
Member
I want Ridley to be confirmed playable at E3 just to see what happens to SmashGaf
Metroid Killer
Member
Better yet, make alternate select menus based off past games.
So basically a Toon Link scenario?
But ST Link or Alfonzo are not a boss. They don't affect the stage at all. RIdley being a boss does affect the stage and thus they wouldn't want it so you could switch off that effect by choosing a certain character. It really isn't the same situation.
I mean should we start saying Yellow Devil could be playable and they could just replace him with Ditto.
BassForever
Member
I could see if Ridley is playable and a boss metal ridley taking normal Ridley's spot if someone is playing as him without it impacting boss ridley much, but I doubt it will happen
How exactly is it any different than, say, Spear Pillar in Brawl, where one of three different legendary Pokémon could appear as the stage hazard? Why can't there be multiple boss characters on one stage? They could even be functionally the same, if they go with a different form of Ridley. I don't understand what the problem would be.
ArchedThunder
Banned
The stage hazard Ridley is the Other M Ridley, which looks WAY different from how Ridley has always looked in the past. They could have a more classic Ridley be playable while the Other M one is always a boss and if they think that is still too confusing they could replace the boss Ridley with Meta Ridley or something when Ridley is in play, but he would act exactly the same.
This is what I'm thinking. Of course, the safest bet is Ridley won't be playable, but then again, Sakurai is so appealing partly because he's full of surprises.
WiiRevolution1
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I'll put myself down for Ice Climbers.
"except when Ridley's being played as, in which case it will always be the other boss."
If it is meant to be random they wouldn't want a method that results in a fixed outcome. You said Ridley or Nightmare thus picking Ridley will always result in Nightmare.
If Ridley's playable, I imagine the Ridley on Pyrosphere will -always- be Other M Ridley, which will be presented to scale with the source material (read: gigantic!) and will look quite different from playable Ridley, who will look like he did in the Prime games and be scaled down to Bowser size. So yes, playable Ridley and stage hazard Ridley could be on Pyrosphere at the same time. There'd be no risk of confusion since they're different enough in appearance and would also be different in size. And technically, in the Metroid canon they're different entities, anyways (not that it's relevant in Smash where these are figurines or caricatures come to life).
RomanceDawn
Member
Exactly. No issue at all if Ridley was handled like this.
At this point I really don't expect him at all but I love the character so much and would love to see him playable.
If Ridley did become playable, Sakurai's handling of him will go down in history. Future Smash speculation would never ever be the same.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Very similar, but not the same.
You aren't getting it are you? Yellow Devil isn't a massively requested character. Ridley has been one of the top requests since Brawl and his "reveal" as a stage hazard was very much teasing the fanbase as it wasn't really a reveal.
RomanceDawn
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See now you're just poking fun and being unreasonable. Something like Yellow Devil is on a completely different level than Ridley, even if their fates are to be exactly the same this game.
Switch out for robot Ridley (either the Nindtendo Land one or a completed version of the Zero Mission one), no problem whatsoever.
I'm backing Toon Link as playable because they could just replace him with Alfonzo.
this guy gets it.
seriously though Ridley isn't going to be in the game. grasping at straws here.
that's actually kind of horrifying
Nobody thinks he's likely to get in, we're just not pessimists.
ShockingAlberto
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Sakurai basically ensured Ridley discussions wouldn't stop until the release of the game with that Alfonso picture.
Metroid Killer
Member
We know for a 100% that Ridley is going to be in the game
As a sticker... 
Spring-Loaded
Member
the folks who did Metroid Metal should do some songs for this game
I keep forgetting, was there going to be any form of adventure mode in the Wii U version?
I keep forgetting, was there going to be any form of adventure mode in the Wii U version?
ArchedThunder
Banned
It's just as foolish to say he won't be playable as it is to say he will. We don't have enough information to say that either is for sure. Everyone should just accept it as being up in the air.
Yep, it's up in the air. It's strongly suggested that -a- Ridley will a stage hazard in Pyrosphere, given the shadow in the boss segment of the Direct. And the tail seen onscreen suggests this particular Ridley is the hatchling from Other M. But why not just definitively show him and say "he's only a boss" if he is, in fact, just a boss? Why toy with the fans that way, if not for a potential setup, a reversal, a bait-and-switch where regular Ridley is playable alongside the appearance of Other M Ridley as a stage hazard? No need for Alfonso shenanigans.
It's not the safe bet, but it's within the realm of possibility, certainly.
ErrorMacro
Member
"Just as planned"
If he knew stage hazards weren't a priority he wouldn't have hinted at Ridley in September, knowing he couldn't show him until the game was near completion.
Super Metroid Ridley and Other M Ridley are different characters, as many said we're talking of an Alfonzo-Toon Link scenario here.
He didn't do that with the Yellow Devil though, or with any other possible boss, assuming there are others. He chose a highly requested character, deciding not to outright deny the fact it was gonna be playable; why is he dancing around the whole question so much?
Waluigi.
Also if he wanted the surprise effect he wouldn't have even hinted at Ridley, now the surprise is apparently gone, because we're supposed to know he's a boss there.
Yes, but it is beyond foolish to compare him to the STLink/Alfonzo situation when it's not a comparable situation.
we dont have enough info? sakuria basically told you Ridley was going to be a stage boss.. wow.
I bet next time Sakurai will show Ridley fighting as a boss character. And explain that he's a boss character and how he works. And people will still try to find reasons that he'll be in the game.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Samus is based off of Other M though, that's why she has the heels. Ridley is probably based off of Other M as well, that's why he's on the Pyrosphere stage.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Exactly. It's one too many coincidences, all around one of the most requested characters left.
Seriously, there's just no absolutes yet. To say that thinking he could still be in is delusional is a little excessive: there are actual arguments supporting that possibility.
Just because he had to deconfirm one or two odd characters by virtue of the existence of Assist Trophies doesn't mean that statement is any less void. It's not like Waluigi was the most campaigned and significant addition to the Mario franchise ever, so far most assist trophies have only been minor side characters.
Same goes for the Boss Battle part. By confirming Yellow Devil as a stage boss, he says that other stages will also have bosses in them and shows but a glimpse of a boss that's going to happen - not what it'll do, how it behaves and how it looks. The surprise factor is still there, and it's not like Ridley hasn't been speculated to be a stage hazard in Pyrosphere for quite some time.
It stares into your soul. And 7 days later...
But Alfonzo isn't a stage hazard.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
I think Metroid is already getting a lot of love in this iteration of Smash; a boss, another assist trophy and ZSS is smoking hot.
Ridley could go either way. And no one side can say, "Aha, it was so obvious" if they end up right, because both sides have good cases that show either outcome is a possibility given what was (and wasn't) shown.
At any rate, I'm more interested to see Palutena. I loved Uprising so much, and she's the first character I think of when I think of that game (followed by Hades, of course).
At any rate, I'm more interested to see Palutena. I loved Uprising so much, and she's the first character I think of when I think of that game (followed by Hades, of course).
This post is to expand upon what BGBW said. ST Link and Alfonzo are just character swaps. They don't affect the stage beyond it changing visuals. Ridley is a stage hazard boss. What he does is something unique and not comparable to just a character swap.
Now you can say that another version of Ridley would be playable while Other M Ridley is a stage hazard. That doesn't require some complex theory.
That's one less boss, two more assist trophies, and one more creepy bobble head than Brawl.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Not really
No, he said there are other bosses, then showed Other M Ridley's shadow. As many have said, why not just show him? To tease us because he knows Ridley has been one of the most requested characters for almost 10 years. Also as others have said Other M Ridley is not only a DIFFERENT Ridley, but he also looks completely different from classic Ridley which they could easily base the playable Ridley off of. You shouldn't take that tease at face value. Until the Sakurai outright says that Ridley is not playable or the game comes out and he isn't playable you shouldn't dismiss him. Also no, Issac doesn't have a better chance.
If Ridley is playable, this is what I think what will happen: Other M Ridley always appears as the Pyrosphere stage hazard, even if playable Ridley is in play. Playable Ridley, meanwhile, would be another version of Ridley. The one from the NES original, the Prime games, Super Metroid -- whatever. He'd basically look like the pterodactyl/buzzard-esque beastie we know and love while the stage hazard is the pointy-nosed, blade-tailed abomination from Other M.
Because Sakurai still needs pic of the day content for the next seven months.