Warner Bros. Officially confirms "Justice League" to follow MoS Sequel

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inky said:
I get the arguments about not really needing a MCU Phase 1 style approach, and it is not a discussion I am interested in having because I believe jumping with both feet into a multiple characters movie can be pulled off just as well. I don't see the issue with the lack of individual movies, but... the reality is that it doesn't feel that WB is doing that. They are coming from a freshly finished Batman trilogy with another interpretation of the character, who is now interacting with a very so-so representation of Supes, who had a movie to himself and had a world that didn't look a world in which Bats was already a thing, or that it could stand for anything other than a Supes origin film. Then they are adding a bunch of other characters that we know they have had trouble getting off the ground first or have not been considered at all, and hoping to build a team franchise on what I think is a very shaky foundation. That is why I feel people are justified in feeling the movie might be just WB throwing stuff into it with no real plan.

Either way, we'll see how this turns out. I'll watch it, but I am not really expecting it to be what it should.



It is exactly that. I feel that fans making it out to be some sort of master plan are delusional. (I've read some posts about how the plan is to develop all of them in parallel in the group movies, so no need for individual ones). I feel certain about saying this because that is exactly how execs think. Marvel and Disney execs wanted to take that approach with The Avengers, until Feige convinced them otherwise, and we know how that turned out.
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Pretty much all of this.
 
inky said:
I'm not gonna argue that it can't be done, but it is a different thing, is it not? These "X-Men or Watchmen didn't need it" arguments don't translate 1 to 1.

The X-Men have mostly been a team from the start, their stories, personalities and developments revolve around them being a team and interacting with one another. At some point it is pretty much arguing that the Fantastic Four don't need individual movies. Well, no shit they don't when you consider their origins and history.

Avengers and JL have worked differently, and have a different build up. There is some sense behind the idea that maybe some characters need more breathing room for this movie in particular. If the script is tight and well handled maybe it won't be a problem, but it is hardly the same case.
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My point is that I believe some characters should get their own movie but I don't think it necessary they come before the team up movie.
 
So the Wrap just said that rumor has it, that Matt Damon was being sought after to play Aquaman bc of his relationship with Affleck. I had a good laugh at that.

Also more reporters from various trades are saying that the two films are filming back to back.
 
ehhh... i dunno.

I loved the Justice League cartoon back in the day so I know this concept can work.

But this seems to be DC's attempt at catching up to Marvel's Avengers so it might end up being sloppy.
 
brandonh83 said:
I would agree that the film isn't 2 hours of upbeat humor and snappy dialogue and a fun atmosphere, but I still had "fun" because I was into it and greatly enjoyed the action that did come later.
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I'm not saying there weren't people who found fun in the movie. Just that I wouldn't expect many people to.

The Icon said:
No. Enlighten me.

I'm curious as to why you think it won't work. You show the main 5 or 7 heroes battling it out with some badass villain. Give them each a shining moment. Audience members become intrigued in seeing more of a particular character and they go see a solo movie based on them later on.

None of the X-Men movies starting out had solo movies from the core members before they teamed up and those movies were pretty damn successful. Marvel is the only company who has done it like that so I'll never understand why their way is the only way people think it should be done.
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You really think X-Men is a good example of your point considering the only character spin-off movie they did was of Wolverine? You know, one of the most popular and recognizable comic book characters in the world?

jackdoe said:
I suppose we have differing opinions on "decent roles". Black Widow in Iron Man 2 was throw away. Her actual development didn't occur until Avengers. But it is kind of crazy how similar the groundwork is between the two studios.

Pretty much if we wanted to compare and contrast Marvel and DC:

Superman = Iron Man
Batman = Captain America/Thor
Wonder Woman= Black Widow
Cyborg = Hawkeye
Green Lantern = Hulk

I equate Green Lantern with the Hulk since Green Lantern is pretty much a character who had his movie establish his power set, but on a narrative level will be completely ignored.
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You realize to develop a character you have to introduce them first, right? If Black Widow had not been in Iron Man 2 her role in Avengers becomes alarmingly confusing for the general public.
 
JdFoX187 said:
Great, we're set to have another thread of the same people recycling the same tired arguments about how Marvel's way way of building the MCU is the ONLY way a quality team-up film can be made. So many are so convinced Man of Steel 2 is going to be shit because of rumored characters being cast. How about we give them the benefit of the doubt, no?
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They need to produce something of quality to receive the benefit of the doubt. All of Warner's moves seem like the result of panicking board members rather than people making movies because they like what they're doing.
 
Going to quote myself from the Momoa as Aquaman thread.

ReiGun said:
Tbh, Wonder Woman is the only character who really "needs" an origin movie. The others though? There's nothing interesting about Flash's origin; he just falls ass backwards into some powers. Aquaman's origin can be told in like a few lines of dialogue ("I'm the King of Atlantis"). Same with MM ("I'm the last Martian."). Cyborg's origin will likely be a b-plot in JLA. Green Lantern already had a movie. Granted, no one saw it, but even GL isn't that hard to explain.
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In the end, it's all going to come down to writing, acting, and direction. Ya know, the things that make all movies good. The lead up movies weren't what made the Avengers great; it was the fact that it was a good movie.
 
Hero said:
You realize to develop a character you have to introduce them first, right? If Black Widow had not been in Iron Man 2 her role in Avengers becomes alarmingly confusing for the general public.
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Oh yeah, the only way to introduce a supporting character is through a whole nother movie.

I saw Iron Man 2 and she was still useless to me in Avengers. I doubt most who saw the movie knew or cared to remember who she was or why she was there. She's just eye candy.
 
They seem to be moving way too fast with this. Despite some film's of lacklustre quality
Iron Man 2 ugh
, you have to hand it to Marvel for actually taking the time to build the universe before jumping into the Avengers. Having only one film to set up the entire Justice League can only end up as a clusterfuck.
 
jackdoe said:
Let's look at it this way. Before the Avengers, Marvel gave Iron Man two movies, Thor one movie, Captain America one movie, and Hulk one movie. Black Widow and Hawkeye were pretty much developed in the Avengers movie (and arguably Hulk was as well since the events of The Incredible Hulk were largely ignored).

For WB, before Justice League, Superman will be around for two movies, Batman one movie, with every other character being developed in the Justice League movie. In all honesty, that's literally only one to two more characters that they have to develop than Marvel did for Avengers (assuming they go with six to seven characters). That's not that big of a deal.
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Well Black Widow first turned up in Iron Man 2, and she works without an origin story because the mystery of her past is an ongoing plotline in the films. Hawkeye is human and doesn't really need a film to explain his abilities and motivations aside from "he trained really hard".

IMO you still need a film if you're going to introduce a fully fledged super-powered superhero.
 
Although it probably won't happen, I really hope they make Stephen Amell the Green Arrow. Which the only slight possible way that will be possible is if they can keep the show/movie canon with one another. But I doubt it.
 
il Diavolo said:
They seem to be moving way too fast with this. Despite some of their film's lacklustre quality
Iron Man 2 ugh
, you have to hand it to marvel for actually taking the time to build the universe before jumping into the Avengers. Having only one film to set up the entire Justice League can only end up a clusterfuck.
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2 films.

But anyway... When you have Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman, you don't need an onslaught of filler to sell it.
 
so who do we have for this team...will the rock play Capt Marvel? We have the trinity, cyborg ...apparently Arrow still isn't allowed to come play with the big boys. Possibly Mamoa being Aquaman. I remain hopeful....that this isnt justice league war.
 
GraceflAnger said:
Although it probably won't happen, I really hope they make Stephen Amell the Green Arrow. Which the only slight possible way that will be possible is if they can keep the show/movie canon with one another. But I doubt it.
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I'd actually prefer it if they kept them completely separate. The Arrow (and soon to add Flash) CW universe has become something amazing all on its own. Forcing it to work into a universe where Superman and other powerful superheroes exist would just dilute both the TV and film universes.
 
Schweinehund said:
Playing aquaman or shazam?

It sounds like he's playing Jon Stewart based on this tweet

http://batman-news.com/2014/02/04/dwayne-rock-johnson-green-lantern-batman-vs-superman/

Before that he said something about being in the same power tier as superman. So GL & Black Adam I think are the two most likely.
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Shazam. He said he wanted a character never shown before and someone who could take on Superman in a fight. Aquaman doesn't fit that lol.

Also according to the WSJ a Shazam movie is in the works but will not be a part of the Justice League universe.
http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2014...ils-plans-for-justice-league-movie-exclusive/
 
Jesus Christ, Zack Snyder still directing...

Well, in a sense I'm at least happy MoS effectively saved his career. After Guardians of Gahool and Sucker Punch, his career seemed a little shaky.
 
DarkFlow said:
I sure hope so, cause otherwise every superhero was a dick for letting Gotham rot under bane for that long.
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"And at the first sign of interference from the outside world, or for those people attempting to flee, this anonymous Gothamite - this unsung hero - will trigger the bomb." - Bane

Pretty much prevented anyone from overtly taking action, plus they could have just decided that Wonder Woman hadn't left Themyscira yet, Superman was still staying incognito and the rest hadn't gained their abilities at that point.
 
Hero said:
Well, considering Batman Vs Superman is supposedly introducing characters like Cyborg, Aquaman and Wonder Woman, I guess so?
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In what capacity, we have no idea.

Wonder Woman will have a substantial role in BvS. She'll be costumed. In other words, she'll actually be of some importance to the story they'll be telling.
 
Rock's role is sort of baffling. You'd think with a name as big as his, they'd want to make him a headline character (Green Lantern?) or at least someone that they can conceivably create a solo franchise out of (Lobo?). I don't know if Black Adam fits that bill.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Rock's role is sort of baffling. You'd think with a name as big as his, they'd want to make him a headline character (Green Lantern?) or at least someone that they can conceivably create a solo franchise out of (Lobo?). I don't know if Black Adam fits that bill.
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Make him Shazam. Seems like the kind of role that's right up his alley.
 
ryan299 said:
Shazam. He said he wanted a character never shown before and someone who could take on Superman in a fight. Aquaman doesn't fit that lol.

Also according to the WSJ a Shazam movie is in the works but will not be a part of the Justice League universe.
http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2014...ils-plans-for-justice-league-movie-exclusive/
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I know that article says "unconnected" but there's really no way that WB actually makes
a Shazam movie without connecting it to the rest of the DCU.
 
The Icon said:
My point is that I believe some characters should get their own movie but I don't think it necessary they come before the team up movie.
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That's fine, but why people believe now it won't really work is more due to the timing and less because "there is only one way to do it". That's why comparisons to X-Men and Watchmen are not apt. It might work out, but coming from MoS it doesn't feel like a carefully laid out plan to do it like this, just a forced reaction.
 
BadAss2961 said:
In what capacity, we have no idea.

Wonder Woman will have a substantial role in BvS. She'll be costumed. In other words, she'll actually be of some importance to the story they'll be telling.
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Oh yeah, definitely. The fact that they got an actress whose most prominent role was Fast and the Furious bodes extremely well. But Black Widow, totally eye candy.
 
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