Driveclub director - 1080p/30FPS is absolutely the best for our game
- Thread starter DieH@rd
- Start date
Same, but that's in Logitech's hands. Hopefully they add support for the PS4. It would suck to have to buy another wheel.
I guess it's just not the same people.
It'll be interesting to see if Horizon 2 is 30, everyone is assuming it is, but I don't think anyone really knows yet.
Astro Monster
Banned
I'm shocked that people are boasting about Forza 5's 60fps.
Just one look at the game and you can clearly see how many compromises they made to reach that. It is not a good looking next-gen game (Photo mode, yes. Gameplay, not so much)
Just one look at the game and you can clearly see how many compromises they made to reach that. It is not a good looking next-gen game (Photo mode, yes. Gameplay, not so much)
The first PGR was 60fps.
There was more 60 FPS racers than 30 FPS racers during the ps2 gen.
Sadly that golden age is done.
I tried playing a few of the 30FPS racers on PS3 and they were downright unplayable. How people consider Sonic and All-Star Racing transformed a good game on anything other than PC I will never know.
buckeye4life
Banned
Exactly, what part of design choice are people missing ? Yes , Im sure they could have dumbded down the graphics similar to Forza 5. They specifically mentioned they didnt want to sacrifice visuals, wanted to have huge tracks, and game, from what they said plays smooth.
TrueGrime
Member
Priorities. You has them, sir.
ChronotriggerJM
Member
Then it's obvious that Driveclub wasn't catered to your taste. The motorstorm games had ridiculous vista's with amazing scenery. It's part of the reason I like Evolution Studios. I value framerate, don't get me wrong, but I find a locked 30 to be excellent, a locked 60 better sure, but still excellent.
djplaeskool
Member
Isn't Logitech bowing out of the console peripheral business? I hope this doesn't jeopardize those chances for the plethora of Logitech wheel users out there.
uh oh didn't Logitech drop their wheel stuff
People just expected that with a new generation, they would get 60fps.
I can respect the decision to make the game 30 FPS. As long as the game still plays well and they do a good job of making it feel good (like Forza Horizon did), that's fine by me. What irks me is this response from Rushy:
We don't want 60 FPS because of "stats on the back of the box," it's more than just a "stat." What we're concerned with is how fluid the game feels and how much input latency there is. And it's completely undeniable that 60 FPS is better than 30 FPS in both those regards.
I'm not saying that it's not possible for Driveclub to be a great game at 30 FPS, I'm sure it will be. But don't trivialize 60 FPS as just some "stat" and not a very important determining factor for feel and responsiveness.
We don't want 60 FPS because of "stats on the back of the box," it's more than just a "stat." What we're concerned with is how fluid the game feels and how much input latency there is. And it's completely undeniable that 60 FPS is better than 30 FPS in both those regards.
I'm not saying that it's not possible for Driveclub to be a great game at 30 FPS, I'm sure it will be. But don't trivialize 60 FPS as just some "stat" and not a very important determining factor for feel and responsiveness.
Maintenance
Member
I will speak for myself only, anedoctal evidence and all that, but to me they are all in the same category (DC, FH, PGR). Graphically nice games that chose to get better visuals instead of fluid gameplay. If one deserves criticism, all the others should too.
I know it's probably not the same people but it just seems like DC has been singled out for the outrage. Evo's previous games were all 30, right?
condompickle
Banned
GTFO people are happy it's 30 fps because of effects? Yeah you'll def notice the sky and details now going at dat snail pace.
Oppo
Member
Wipeout XL, the grandaddy of all twitchy arcade racers at the time, ran at 30 FPS.
Good enough for me.
Hehe, awesome!!
Honestly Horizon and the PGR games weren't very good, the sense of speed was lacking, they felt sluggish. That's what 30fps does for you. I am happy they just came out and said it though - couple of days of storm ahead and then those people who aren't going to buy it, myself included, won't even need to look at Driveclub threads anymore.
I think FFXIV is consuming my life at this point anyway.
valkillmore
Member
Absolutely the best choice. We are getting these kind of visuals in 1080p within the first year of the system's life? Yeah. Be impressed. I am 100% confident in the people behind this game and believe them when they say this is the best choice. Looking forward to be blown away by the visuals. Looks EXCEPTIONAL!
]
You shouldn't be the game looks a lot better than last gen forza and plays great.
It's priorities are 100% correct in my book.
MightyHedgehog
Member
They're not broken because of 30fps, but they miss a lot because of it. I loved every one of those you listed (outside of NFS), but I would still gladly trade top-end visuals and have more workarounds and cheats to manage things if I could have 60fps. At least, with last gen games, they had some excuse in aging hardware. Still, regardless of hardware, racing developers who care, prioritize for 60fps first and leave the art team to find a way to make it look good with the rest of the resources available. Ninty does it, Polyphony Digital does it, Turn 10 does it, Sega used to do it.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
NemesisPrime
Banned
JJDinomite
Banned
Disappointing, albeit expected. No reason to applaud them for 30fps.
buckeye4life
Banned
You ever play motostorm ? Hardly at a snails pace, and one of funnest racing games I have ever played.
ChronotriggerJM
Member
True. Framerate = maximum speed limit.
wat
If it's disappointing, you probably didn't play any of their previous offerings. Evolution studio's didn't drop from 60 to 30, they've always been 30.
condompickle
Banned
Better? It looks worse than forza. All we've seen is clouds and day cycles. That's a bold claim. Sorry I'll take a good racing game over pretty sunsets.
My thoughts exactly.
J'aime Fils-Aime
Neo Member
I'd prefer 60 FPS, but I'll play it before I discount it. As long as it's smooth, I can enjoy it.
I'm sure Driveclub will sport the same exact visuals as Mario Kart, so it's a valid comparison! /s
I'm sure Driveclub will sport the same exact visuals as Mario Kart, so it's a valid comparison! /s
Hell might as well just have a wireframe mode.
CambriaRising
Member
Lmao. Some of the posts in this thread.
breakfuss
Member
Sure it's servicable either way but there's no denying the boosted responsiveness offline. Just feels a heck of a lot better and, dare I say, more fun. Or see Sonic Transformed on consoles and then PC. Or heck even new Mario Kart. How people can dismiss this difference is beyond me.
Canis lupus
Member
OH NOEZ the unplayable 30fps, the horror!
How did I ever play NFS, PGR and Forza Horizon in 30fps.
How did I ever play NFS, PGR and Forza Horizon in 30fps.
NemesisPrime
Banned
Not really... he is right.
The MSs are all 30 yeah.
I think the difference is PS4 doesn't have a Gran Turismo. If GT6 had launched on PS3/4 last November, I think people would be a lot more lenient, because they'd have got their 60 racer already.
I know it's not really logical, or fair, I guess, but it felt like PS4 didn't get GT6 to give space to DriveClub, which basically slipped a year, and now it's looking like it'll be GT7, rather than a port of 6, and easily a year beyond DC's release before that game arrives.
The Project CARS guys must be extremely happy.
Speaking of bold claims...
Hehe.
I dunno.
My brother loves racing games. I'm not sure if this game was on his radar, but I can bet he'll be disappointed if I mention it to him. 30fps is pretty meh for a racer. It's kind of weird to see so many apologists when it's been repeated ad infinitum that it's paramount for racers and fighters to be 60fps when frame rates are brought up. Oh, well. *shrug*
This isn't to say that every title needs to be 60fps, but this early in to the gen and developers are already stating that 60 fps is a "target" rather than the norm is troubling. And I'm not sure how much better things will get considering that this system is x86.
At any rate, with the power of these consoles, it would be nice to see SOMEONE from Sony's first party studios prioritize 60 fps.
what does fluid gameplay even mean?