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Jest Chillin said:
Actually no, they most certainly did not work under Coulson. Coulson was in charge of Project T.A.H.I.T.I., not the base itself and there's a lot more that goes on there given the size of the base. The guards didn't recognize Coulson at all, which they would have if they worked for him.
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Actually the last guard alive did recognize Coulson. S1E14

BlackNMild2k1 said:
edit: Actually, the last guard alive did sorta recognize Coulson.
Guard: Do I... know you?
Coulson: I don't know... I might have spent some time here a while back...

So even if they knew Couslon, they probably thought he was dead, and were not privvy to the knowledge that he was the one revived by the procedure.
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But remember, Avengers and Coulson's death was 2 years ago. He likely didn't work directly for Coulson and I would hardly expect him to immediately recognize the face (since I'm guessing they didn't use names at Ghost House) of someone that died 2 years ago.

It's all in the past though. A passing mention of the guards that died because they stopped by that secret base wouldn't surprise me (a little Coulson guilt), but I'm not expecting it.
 
BlackNMild2k1 said:
Actually the last guard alive did recognize Coulson. S1E14



But remember, Avengers and Coulson's death was 2 years ago. He likely didn't work directly for Coulson and I would hardly expect him to immediately recognize the face (since I'm guessing they didn't use names at Ghost House) of someone that died 2 years ago.

It's all in the past though. A passing mention of the guards that died because they stopped by that secret base wouldn't surprise me (a little Coulson guilt), but I'm not expecting it.
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Well it's a bit more ambiguous than that because the full dialogue was:

Coulson: We're gonna get you help. Is there anyone else down here? Where are the Doctors?
Guard: Med Staff doesn't stay here.
Coulson: We're looking for a drug. GH325, it might help you too.
Guard: Do I... know.. you?
Coulson: I don't know. I might have spent some time here awhile back.
Guard: Then you know about... the timer..

So he could've recognized him or he could've asked because he's perplexed as to why a perfect stranger who just shot him would be trying so hard to save his life. He's just a guard afterall and not likely to know much of anything.

It also should be noted that while Avengers and Coulson's death happened two years ago, he doesn't appear to have a history of anything other than his fake Tahiti vacation from before AoS started. So unless they resurrected him two years ago and spent all that time rewriting his memory, it's more likely the procedure was done during a time that was closer to AoS than it was to Avengers (unless that's just a big continuity error).

The fact remains though that being Project Supervisor =/= Base Commander. Coulson would've just been another one of the staff that only comes in for procedures, rather than someone who the guards answer to.
 
He was only "dead" for 8 days, but I don't think they mention how long he may have been out of service for, possibly in a coma or something. The show starts after Iron Man 3 takes place, which I believe is actually closer to 1.5 yrs after Avengers?

and I agree, the topic of Ghost House Guards has been far beyond beaten to death at this point, even if there may be a small reason to revisit the subject based on current events in the show. I can see a quick mention based on Coulson guilt, but there has been far too much attention paid to this.
 
BlackNMild2k1 said:
He was only "dead" for 8 days, but I don't think they mention how long he may have been out of service for, possibly in a coma or something. The show starts after Iron Man 3 takes place, which I believe is actually closer to 1.5 yrs after Avengers?
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I must've forgotten about the mention of 8 days. The coma is possible (or a coma like stasis?) but it still seems weird.
 
In a sense Garret has a sweet deal with Deathlok here. He knows this Deathlok loathes them all and serves only due to the threat to his son. Therefore, if Garret orders Peterson to give other Hydra operatives shit or use them as pawns, he can count on Mike enthusiastically obliging.

Of course the moment Deathlok ever comes out from under his thumb Garret is in a world of fuck.
 
BlackNMild2k1 said:
He was only "dead" for 8 days, but I don't think they mention how long he may have been out of service for, possibly in a coma or something. The show starts after Iron Man 3 takes place, which I believe is actually closer to 1.5 yrs after Avengers?

and I agree, the topic of Ghost House Guards has been far beyond beaten to death at this point, even if there may be a small reason to revisit the subject based on current events in the show. I can see a quick mention based on Coulson guilt, but there has been far too much attention paid to this.
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Just wanted to say that I believe it's "Guest House" not "Ghost House."

I have been wondering about the Coulson timeline, though. Seems like there's a good chunk of time missing. Maybe after his operation, he was still conscious and alive and all, but it took a while to train him back up to shape.
 
Kai Dracon said:
In a sense Garret has a sweet deal with Deathlok here. He knows this Deathlok loathes them all and serves only due to the threat to his son. Therefore, if Garret orders Peterson to give other Hydra operatives shit or use them as pawns, he can count on Mike enthusiastically obliging.

Of course the moment Deathlok ever comes out from under his thumb Garret is in a world of fuck.
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I hope Deathlok straight up stomps Garrett into the ground.
 
Really enjoyed the last episode. Series has seriously upped its game since the post-Captain America HYDRA reveal, the stakes feel bigger and more serious and the characters are starting to fill out slightly.
 
littlegrasshopper said:
Seriously, Deathlok needs to go full Deathlok or get a better suit. I love the guy but the outfit aint cutting it.
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To do Deathlok's look any justice they'd need the actor walking around in one of these

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And that's probably not practical for a TV budget and filming schedule.
 
J10 said:
To do Deathlok's look any justice they'd need the actor walking around in one of these



And that's probably not practical for a TV budget and filming schedule.
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Him being badly scarred is fine, they just need to give him a better costume and some guns.
 
J10 said:
To do Deathlok's look any justice they'd need the actor walking around in one of these



And that's probably not practical for a TV budget and filming schedule.
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They could do a proper Deathlok with practical effects. Just make him look more disgusting and give him some metal plates. Right now you can't even notice the scarring unless the camera really focuses on him, and it's not like the actor looks menacing by himself.

Also, his suit is Smallville bad.
 
Funky Papa said:
They could do a proper Deathlok with practical effects. Just make him look more disgusting and give him some metal plates. Right now you can't even notice the scarring unless the camera really focuses on him, and it's not like the actor looks menacing by himself.
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I think it's coming. That one x-ray style shot of him showed the metal plate type thing in his head. I imagine he'll end up in some kind of explosion in the finale that will expose it.
 
curb said:
I think it's coming. That one x-ray style shot of him showed the metal plate type thing in his head. I imagine he'll end up in some kind of explosion in the finale that will expose it.
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I hope so. But I still believe they should have done that when they crippled him for the first time.
 
littlegrasshopper said:
Seriously, Deathlok needs to go full Deathlok or get a better suit. I love the guy but the outfit aint cutting it.
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J10 said:
To do Deathlok's look any justice they'd need the actor walking around in one of these

And that's probably not practical for a TV budget and filming schedule.
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I drew/posted this a few pages back. I think it's do-able on a TV budget even though they'd probably cover his robo leg most of the time.

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GuitarAtomik said:
I drew/posted this a few pages back. I think it's do-able on a TV budget even though they'd probably cover his robo leg most of the time.
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Yeah, I didn't comment on that, but it looks a thousand times better than crap we got. I'm not sold on the blue lights and both red and yellow could be toned down a little bit for production, but that's actually a pretty legit and militaristic look for Deathlok. I really like it.
 
And then they go and kill her in the dumbest way. FFS. This show could have used an actually ruthless ally to show SHIELD's darker side...
 
SquiddyCracker said:
LMD.

She's actually a mole from S.W.O.R.D., who have access to alien technology including - but not limited to - LMDs.
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I oppose the use of LMDs for the most part, but specially when:

a) It dampens the suspense of being able to off any major character at any given moment.
b) said LMDs are shot at point blank, as in being able to see bullet holes, torn down tissue and other moist bits. I'm ok with fake blood, but that's it.

Slayven said:
Well she is dead in comics, Cap give her a nice eulogy.
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Yeah, I just think the show needs her right now more than the comics.

That said, I was surprised by how much I liked Cobie as Maria Hill in the latest episode. She was looking somewhat harsh and hard for the first time, films included. More of that pls.
 
I like that they brought in Hand. I was thinking the other day that they should have introduced Clay Quartermain at some point. Seems like a no brainer.
 
they will never do it, but it would be nice if SHIELD was in procession of a set of bracelets maybe some with a lame name like Wendall can find them?
 
Funky Papa said:
Yeah, I didn't comment on that, but it looks a thousand times better than crap we got. I'm not sold on the blue lights and both red and yellow could be toned down a little bit for production, but that's actually a pretty legit and militaristic look for Deathlok. I really like it.
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Thanks! Yeah, I was trying to build off the base of what they already have thus the blue lights, but ideally I'd have the lights changed to red and/or yellow. I'd definitely have the color saturation toned down a bit too. I just wanted to make sure it came across.
 
Yeah I don't think Hand is coming back. I was surprised she made it on to the show at all considering she's been dead for a good minute at this point. That's probably why they put her on in the first place, she's pretty expendable.
 
J10 said:
I like that they brought in Hand. I was thinking the other day that they should have introduced Clay Quartermain at some point. Seems like a no brainer.
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I was going to say it would be awesome to introduce him in S2, but then I remembered SHIELD is gone now lol.
 
GuitarAtomik said:
I drew/posted this a few pages back. I think it's do-able on a TV budget even though they'd probably cover his robo leg most of the time.
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That's definitely doable, and looks way better, but I don't know if there's a reason why he'd wear brightly-colored tactical gear.

I had the idea that they'd give him a modified, salvaged torso piece from one of Tony's suits from IM3. That would be great visual storytelling, plus you can say it helps power up some special gun... which Deathlok usually has attached to his suit.
 
fallengorn said:
That's definitely doable, and looks way better, but I don't know if there's a reason why he'd wear brightly-colored tactical gear.

I had the idea that they'd give him a modified, salvaged torso piece from one of Tony's suits from IM3. That would be great visual storytelling, plus you can say it helps power up some special gun... which Deathlok usually has attached to his suit.
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That's a cool idea too. Mostly, I just can't imagine what they were thinking when they created the suit in the show. I'd almost rather him be in street clothes lol.
 
neoanarch said:
About the reveal
So not only were those guards innocent they once worked for Coulson directly...
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SquiddyCracker said:
Regarding the latest episode:

You guys remember those guys guarding the TAHITI-facility?
Well, it looks like they were ordered to protect what was in it by Coulson, which makes them top-class SHIELD agents, that died at the hands of their very own boss.

Forget about a redemption arc for Ward, they need a redemption arc for Coulson after he murdered two innocent SHIELD agents who were only doing their job (which was doing what Coulson told them to do).
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Damn. That manslaughter gets worse by the day. Tut, tut, SHIELDGAF.




Awesome reveal, the show is firing on all cylinders now. Absolutely LOVED Smulders in this, she embodied textbook, take no shit, Maria Hill. Please have her back more often.
 
pulga said:
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Damn. That manslaughter gets worse by the day. Tut, tut, SHIELDGAF.
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It's legit criticism.
They made such a big deal of Ward shooting Hand (a SHIELD agent), but when Coulson breaks into a SHIELD facility and force the hands of two innocent SHIELD agents, the show-runners completely glossed over the seriousness of Coulson's actions.

He traded 2 SHIELD agents for Skye, who I don't think was an actual SHIELD agent at that point.
 
SquiddyCracker said:
It's legit criticism.
They made such a big deal of Ward shooting Hand (a SHIELD agent), but when Coulson breaks into a SHIELD facility and force the hands of two innocent SHIELD agents, the show-runners completely glossed over the seriousness of Coulson's actions.

He traded 2 SHIELD agents for Skye, who I don't think was an actual SHIELD agent at that point.
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Tell me about it, I already got banned over this bullshit. It's a great oversight that should have been addressed, especially when in the next frikkin episode EVERYONE suddenly has a Night-Night Gun. Everyone just seemed more interested in covering their eyes and ears and turning on "lalalala I cant hear you Coulson is a good guy" mode.

Let's just hope the writers are more careful from here on out, they've been doing good since WS.
 
pulga said:
Tell me about it, I already got banned over this bullshit. It's a great oversight that should have been addressed, especially when in the next frikkin episode EVERYONE suddenly has a Night-Night Gun. Everyone just seemed more interested in covering their eyes and ears and turning on "lalalala I cant hear you Coulson is a good guy" mode.

Let's just hope the writers are more careful from here on out, they've been doing good since WS.
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I feel like "Coulson's team killed two people"-GAF has serious overlap with "Should've aimed for the limbs"-GAF.
 
Just to clarify with respect to Coulson & Co's actions in the Tahiti facility - if you're going to discuss it in good faith, there isn't a problem. I do think it's been argued to death at this point, so please be sure that you're bringing something new to the table rather than running around in circles arguing the same points ad infinitum. In addition, the usual bad posting habits of trolling, deliberately trying to derail the thread, insulting other posters, backseat modding, and complaining about moderation will be dealt with appropriately. Hope that's clear, and if anyone has questions about this, please feel free to send me a PM.

The show's been on an upswing recently, and there's certainly a lot to discuss beyond a single incident that happened a while back.
 
They keep coming back to Tahiti, it is a very important place in their lore so I think it is logical we keep coming back to it. It was an important place from the get go, they have built it up quite thoroughly, they have given us quite a bit of reveals since. Considering that, it is extra glaring how they handled that particular episode, especially since they have given us more and more information. Calling it a single incident is calling Mike Peterson a single incident. The way-more-minor Quinn shooting Skye thing is given way more attention, even when it is discussed between bad guys, which makes the assault on TAHITI a lot more grating.
 
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