The Amazing Spider-Man 2 |SPOILER THREAD| Enter Marc’s Webb

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This movie got so much right: Spider-Man acrobatics/fighting/humor, Harry's evil destiny, Elektro loser to god, and actual romantic chemistry. But man, what it gets wrong.. it got really wrong. Weird cuts and edits, being long but having important narrative elements still feel rushed and everything related to Rhino. Honestly, I was confused on whether Rhino was Russian or just learning impaired. Also, I don't see any reason why a random moron would be trusted with a hundred million dollar mechanized suit...

Oh, and that clear MCU expanded universe aping? Sony, pls. I'm confused how this one is reviewing more poorly than the first Amazing Spider-Man, though. It is much better, did Captain American poison the well and raise the bar?
 
broncobuster said:
You don't remember Raimi's Spider-Man movies well. Peter watches Mary Jane dressing through her window. That's in the first minutes of the first film. Peter is obsessed in all these movies. At least it's consistent.
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That was chance and he didn't have to go anywhere to do it. She was his neighbor. This movies definitely have Pete on creeper status.
 
Proponent said:
I absolutely agree.

Its what I immediately thought when watching it. After that scene, I knew the movie was going to fall way short. Which it did imo anyway.
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They could have had something like "hey these Oscorp fucks inject their electrical workers with some shit that dulls the effects of electricity on them so that they can do more dangerous work. This guy took more than he was supposed to, got electrocuted in a big way, and the combination of those two things created his powers."

Thats not super good, but I just thought of it on the fly and is still better than "bro got zapped"
 
Didn't finish the movie cuz I had to go pick up my car from the shop so I missed the last 20 minutes and the whole climax of the movie, but really enjoyed Emma Stone, and every scene she had with Garfield by extension. Everything else was kinda meh.

Thought the sexual tension between Peter and Harry was pretty hilarious too.
 
Calamari41 said:
It was just missing the essential part of the "silly comic book origin" formula, though, which is like a microwave emitter aimed at him while it was happening or something like that.
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True enough but if I remember right, Electro was just born from the comics from a simple electrocution and thats it, no special thing so even adding in eels was already more explanation.

OldRoutes said:
The more they'd try to explain it, the less sense it'll make.

They should've just made him out to be this strange homeless guy that forgot who he is, just wants to eat electricity, then he gets mad at NYPD for shooting at him, Spiderman doesn't like that, locks him up, Harry offers him the best "food" he can find (the power plant) if he can bring him Spiderman.

Boom. You just made the movie 20 minutes shorter, can now further Harry and Peter's relationship, and create a better movie.
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Why do that though? Max's character was really good and the only issue with Electro's character came into play when he decided to put all of the blame on spider-man when he was the one good dude to him. If we want to give more time to Green Goblin or the Harry/Peter relationship then he could cut out that plane non-sense, trim down the mostly useless parent storyline, trim down the Gwen/Peter thing so that I didn't constantly need to question what Gwen's game was because it kept going from "I'm in love with him but tired of him clinging to the past" to "Oxford is a great way to get away from this mess of a guy"

Hasphat'sAnts said:
Didn't finish the movie cuz I had to go pick up my car from the shop so I missed the last 20 minutes and the whole climax of the movie, but really enjoyed Emma Stone, and every scene she had with Garfield by extension. Everything else was kinda meh.

Thought the sexual tension between Peter and Harry was pretty hilarious too.
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So you literally missed two villians and the best part of the film.
 
Sorian said:
True enough but if I remember right, Electro was just born from the comics from a simple electrocution and thats it, no special thing so even adding in eels was already more explanation.
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That may well be true, I guess I just think it's out of place in a movie series (including the first trilogy) that does a pretty good job of tying the villain origins into some kind of (sometimes silly) scientific explainable cause.
 
Calamari41 said:
Thst may well be true, I guess I just think it's out of place in a movie series (including the first trilogy) that does a pretty good job of tying the villain origins into some kind of (sometimes silly) scientific explainable cause.
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They probably felt a bit cornered because they couldn't really copy his comic origins. It was just a simple electrocution from a power line and it caused an on the spot mutation to his genes that turned him into a human conducter. Since fox just owns the trademark on the word mutant it doesn't really pan out to write it that way and then, I don't know, maybe they just said fuck it and went completely non-sensical.

Edit: And yes, mutant through and through, Magneto even tries to recruit him early on in his origin.
 
Sorian said:
Why do that though? Max's character was really good and the only issue with Electro's character came into play when he decided to put all of the blame on spider-man when he was the one good dude to him. If we want to give more time to Green Goblin or the Harry/Peter relationship then he could cut out that plane non-sense, trim down the mostly useless parent storyline, trim down the Gwen/Peter thing so that I didn't constantly need to question what Gwen's game was because it kept going from "I'm in love with him but tired of him clinging to the past" to "Oxford is a great way to get away from this mess of a guy"
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Well if you thought Max's character was good, then you won't understand. I personally felt it was too forced, too "comically idiot". I never felt like Max had any kind of real reasons to do whatever. And then they do all that only to have explode and disappear without any kind of redemption.... I mean, you don't develop and expose a character that much to have be killed without redemption.

Look at Syndrome in the Incredibles for an example of "fan gone bad". He's developed and then put away in the nicest way possible (the final scene is genius).

Max just seems like they wanted us to feel bad for him, but even the "Now they can see me" plot line seemed a bit forced. He had to repeat it 7 times during the Time Square scene so audience could be like "Oh so he got it now!!"
 
OldRoutes said:
Well if you thought Max's character was good, then you won't understand. I personally felt it was too forced, too "comically idiot". I never felt like Max had any kind of real reasons to do whatever. And then they do all that only to have explode and disappear without any kind of redemption.... I mean, you don't develop and expose a character that much to have be killed without redemption.

Look at Syndrome in the Incredibles for an example of "fan gone bad". He's developed and then put away in the nicest way possible (the final scene is genius).

Max just seems like they wanted us to feel bad for him, but even the "Now they can see me" plot line seemed a bit forced. He had to repeat it 7 times during the Time Square scene so audience could be like "Oh so he got it now!!"
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Max had the potential to be a great character. But by deciding to accompany most of his scenes with a 90s comedic bumbling track, and by exaggerating the character's problems with cheesy makeup and terrible acting, it felt like the writers had no clue that there was a sympathetic character underneath their attempts at making infants laugh.
 
OldRoutes said:
Well if you thought Max's character was good, then you won't understand. I personally felt it was too forced, too "comically idiot". I never felt like Max had any kind of real reasons to do whatever. And then they do all that only to have explode and disappear without any kind of redemption.... I mean, you don't develop and expose a character that much to have be killed without redemption.

Look at Syndrome in the Incredibles for an example of "fan gone bad". He's developed and then put away in the nicest way possible (the final scene is genius).

Max just seems like they wanted us to feel bad for him, but even the "Now they can see me" plot line seemed a bit forced. He had to repeat it 7 times during the Time Square scene so audience could be like "Oh so he got it now!!"
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Like I said, Max's character was great until he put the blame on spider-man with no rhyme or reason, then it was all downhill from there. His character was realistic at the beginning, there are people out there who are treated like literal shit and they nailed that hard. The problems with the character came into play when they had to make it so he hated spider-man because, you know, he's a villian and they had already backed themselves into a corner with the whole spidey saving him thing and calling out his individuality. I will say though it was refreshing to not have a villian get this whole drawn out redemption scene at the end. Electro died (maybe) and that was that, not every villian sees the error in their ways at the end and I'm tired of movies throwing that in for the sake of checking off a box.

Same with Gwen's death, a part of me was expecting that they were going to cop out and let Peter have some final words with her and I'm glad they didn't. Life is harsh and I'm glad they at least toyed with that in the script.
 
This movie sucks. I have no interest in seeing another, screw sinister six plot.

I'm done. Yall fooled me out of my 11 bucks today.

Sony should just sell the rights to Marvel. Do us all a favor. Let them just inject him into thier storyline for the gauntlet. Wouldn't even need anymore origin story films or even much of Peter.
Just suits up and joins the battle.
 
When electro did this (my bad, didn't realize this pic had racial under tones) i started cracking up in the movies.

enjoyable flick I think. Went in thinking Gwen was going to die. They did that scene pretty well
 
Proponent said:
This movie sucks. I have no interest in seeing another, screw sinister six plot.

I'm done. Yall fooled me out of my 11 bucks today.

Sony should just sell the rights to Marvel. Do us all a favor. Let them just inject him into thier storyline for the gauntlet. Wouldn't even need anymore origin story films or even much of Peter.
Just suits up and joins the battle.
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Any reason why it sucks or does it suck because it sucks?
 
Proponent said:
This movie sucks. I have no interest in seeing another, screw sinister six plot.

I'm done. Yall fooled me out of my 11 bucks today.

Sony should just sell the rights to Marvel. Do us all a favor. Let them just inject him into thier storyline for the gauntlet. Wouldn't even need anymore origin story films or even much of Peter.
Just suits up and joins the battle.
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Fooled?? Bahaha...are you even reading the thread?

Its like 70% negative complaining about technical aspects of cinema and story telling.
 
kinggroin said:
Fooled?? Bahaha...are you even reading the thread?

Its like 70% negative nit complaining about technical aspects of cinema and story telling.
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This was the worst Spiderman ever. Its worse then Spiderman 3.

This movie is junk. Its equivalent to a Saturday morning cartoon.
 
Tekniqs said:
When electro did this
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i started cracking up in the movies.

enjoyable flick I think. Went in thinking Gwen was going to die. They did that scene pretty well
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Bye.
 
kinggroin said:
And most in the thread agree with you.



So, how the hell were you fooled? The amazing rotten tomatoes score?
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To avoid spoilers and other people's opinions I may not necessarily agree with, I stay far away from threads like this, and other sites, including RT and imdb.com until after I've seen a movie.

I was hyped by the trailers, the star talent and the momentum from the first film, which I liked a lot.

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Also, Jamie Foxx is one of my favorite actors. I loved him in films like Ray, Django, Collateral, and even Miami Vice. As well as his role in Ali.

I think this film really under used him and should have just focused on developing him as a character and a villain.

The whole Gwen and Harry bits should have been cut down and spread over into the third film, which could have been shot back to back.
 
I thought it was fun, better than any of the Toby films, It was a little rushed on the villian side and Giamatti was terrible. I had fun with the Elctro fights, i feel they did a fine job making Electro hate Spiderman he was clearly a little crazy and totally infatuated with Spiderman.
 
Tekniqs said:
When electro did this
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i started cracking up in the movies.

enjoyable flick I think. Went in thinking Gwen was going to die. They did that scene pretty well
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I just noticed this.

Is this supposed to be some sort of racist cartoon picture?

Not cool if so.
 
Just got back from seeing this. Fucking loved it. Gwen dying was pretty sad.

Only thing I didn't like was the film ending right as Spiderman starts fighting Rhino.
 
Nub said:
Just got back from seeing this. Fucking loved it. Gwen dying was pretty sad.

Only thing I didn't like was the film ending right as Spiderman starts fighting Rhino.
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heard a few sniffles in the theaters during the sequence of Peter looking at her grave stone as the season changes
 
Nub said:
Just got back from seeing this. Fucking loved it. Gwen dying was pretty sad.

Only thing I didn't like was the film ending right as Spiderman starts fighting Rhino.
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Yeah, I thought the movie was great too, I thought the way everything around Gwen's death was handled was really well done. About the ending, I think it was a good way to bring Spider-Man back while sort of teasing that fight for the next movie. I can't even imagine the kind of crazy shit that is going to go down in ASM3.
 
Tekniqs said:
apologies, didn't realize that picture had racial undertones
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You didn't know blackface imagery had racial undertones?

kinggroin said:
I know. Its fantastic isn't it?
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Not really. Sometimes it isn't so bad, like during the fights, but everywhere else it is ridiculous. Wouldn't be as bad if the whole movie had a similar tone, but the whole thing is really spotty. The only things that saved this from being worse than Spider-Man 3 are the awesome fight scenes and really badass costume.
 
Say what you will about the story, but I felt this film has been the best portrayal of Spider-Man's character so far. The wise cracking, how he handles himself around bystanders, his heart, even the little things like stopping to ask somebody's name after rescuing them, the early scene showing him repeatedly taking off the costume with all the gunk and grime, It really captures Spider-Man. His look is also the best so far. I never liked the Raimi costume (personal preference, it is fine objectively), and the first Amazing wasn't, but between Garfield's physique, and a classic interpretation of the costume, He easily looks the best.

Peter-Parker's character did not resonate with me though. the duality of comic book superheroes is a common element, the relationship between Parker and Spider-Man is a balance between the introvert, and the extrovert. Peter would be embarrassed to kiss Gwen on stage, It is by donning his persona that he allows himself to let go of his social fears. I got none of that from Peter Parker. I did like two things here though. The Raimi films kept telling us Peter was smart. This film showed it. After a malfunction of his equipment at the hands of Electro, Peter researches, conducts experiments, tries to solve the problem, with science. You also see, rather than being told, that he is struggling with the consequences of being Spider-Man. This is of course a common theme for Peter, and one that I felt was handled better here than in Raimi's films.

I enjoyed the dialog for the most part. The conversations felt more real/less scripted then most comic book films manage. The villains however felt out of place, or, rather, they felt more 'comic booky' (by which I don't mean like a comic book, but rather like the stereotypical comic book), They bounced erratically from well written to hokey, and their time on screen, and motivations both felt quickly scribbled in and ushered out, so that we never had time to dwell on how shallow they were. The Secret in my opinion to a great comic book movie is a great villain, and so far neither ASM has delivered. Norman in SM, Otto in SM2, even Venom in SM3 were better realized, and presented.

The plot was fine, it really didn't advance anything, it feels like (probably because it is) a meaningless middle chapter. They spend a great deal of time on Peter and Gwen's relationship, which is good, because of the end, but this is a Green Goblin origin movie too, and Green Goblin/Harry Osborn are barely in it. I have heard complaints about the pacing, but this is not an action movie. If judged by the criteria of a tragic romance film, i think the pacing is fine. I guess that is my biggest issue with the plot. It is one part romance, one part tragedy, and it is wrapped up in a super hero action movie bow, but those themes are really difficult to mix well, and this didn't get close.

I enjoyed it on the above merits I found appealing, but I have no real desire to go and see it again.
 
One other thing I wanted to say was that even though it was only a sliver of screen time, I fucking love what they did with the Rhino. When it goes down to four legs and starts running towards Spider-Man, I thought that was good stuff.
 
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