91.7 million opening weekend which is slightly disappointing since it was expected to do between 95-100 million. International box office might pick up the slack though. It broke records in a couple of places like in China.
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 |SPOILER THREAD| Enter Marcs Webb
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Papacheeks
Banned
UM...No.
RAIMI butchered years worth of comics and Animated cartoons that help establish the inner turmoil of Harry as the green goblin and Peter's best friend.
So yea I would like some kind of back and forth since Dan Dehann seemed to be a better actor than JAMES FRANCO.
Harry is bad because of this father, and represents the opposite of peter.
I think there is a story of forgiveness in that especially with Gwen's death.
I wonder if it haunts him.
And for that matter, how does a human being become made of pure electricity!! Plot hole!!!
Superhero pseudo-science is always going to be just that. That's the whole conceit of the genre. If you can't accept that going into the movie, then why are you watching it all?
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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Some of my incoherent thoughts:
Positive stuffs:
-Not as boring as the first one.
-Spidey's suit.
-The chemistry between Peter and Gwen.
-Gwen's death. I had a problem with some of the stuffs that led up to her death, but her death was
-The actions.
-The slow motions. Hey, you know me.
-I like DeHaan as Harry.
-Electro teleported here and there was cool but...
Neutral/Unrelated stuffs:
-...but Dr. Manhattan does it better though.
-Most of the jokes were meh, but I didn't really care.
-I wanted to know what happened to the old suit in the first one. I kinda liked it, except for eyes. But that didn't really matter.
-Although I kinda liked the soundtrack, a lot of it sound a bit generic to me.
Negative stuffs:
-I don't like Electro's character and motive at all. He was like the Riddler in Batman Forever, but somehow... worse.
-I don't like DeHaan as Goblin.
-I don't like how Electro and Goblin was defeated. And the most disappointing thing is that Electro and Harry partnered up, but they didn't fight together. At least Venom and Sandman tried to work together to brought down Spidey in SM3, before Harry shown up to help him.
-Gwen went against Spidey's advice and basically led herself to death. This is what bothers me the most about her death. Sure, she help Spidey defeated Electro but... it just really bothers me.
-Spidey refused to save Harry. This is the biggest complain I have for this movie. Peter said that Spider-Man gives people hope, yet he gave Harry desperation. His reason is that his blood might be incompatible and would kill Harry. But he did not really know for sure, and who knows that Harry would literally inject the blood to his own body? Harry could have Oscorp scientists look at the blood samples and start developing the cure or something. But no, Spidey just said no and swing away. And although later on we found out that Oscorp could use his DNA to continue developing bioweapons, but the way that Spidey just straight up said no Harry was rather mean. It would've been better if they had put that scene after Peter finding out about his father DNA and stuffs. But they didn't, and ended up making Spider-Man looks and sounds like a pretentious jerk. Maybe I'm wrong about this, but I don't know. It just didn't feel right to me.
-Everything about Rhino.
-I feel embarrassed for SONY while watching that DOFP end credit scene. That's the best they could do? It was so bad :/
These are my rather rough, and unfinished impressions of the movie. It has a lot of problem, and I have a lot to complain about. But after all, I still found my self enjoying it. Just not as much as Cap 2 or MoS, but more like how I feel about The Wolverine: I neither like nor hate it, I just enjoyed it.
Positive stuffs:
-Not as boring as the first one.
-Spidey's suit.
-The chemistry between Peter and Gwen.
-Gwen's death. I had a problem with some of the stuffs that led up to her death, but her death was
-The actions.
-The slow motions. Hey, you know me.
-I like DeHaan as Harry.
-Electro teleported here and there was cool but...
Neutral/Unrelated stuffs:
-...but Dr. Manhattan does it better though.
-Most of the jokes were meh, but I didn't really care.
-I wanted to know what happened to the old suit in the first one. I kinda liked it, except for eyes. But that didn't really matter.
-Although I kinda liked the soundtrack, a lot of it sound a bit generic to me.
Negative stuffs:
-I don't like Electro's character and motive at all. He was like the Riddler in Batman Forever, but somehow... worse.
-I don't like DeHaan as Goblin.
-I don't like how Electro and Goblin was defeated. And the most disappointing thing is that Electro and Harry partnered up, but they didn't fight together. At least Venom and Sandman tried to work together to brought down Spidey in SM3, before Harry shown up to help him.
-Gwen went against Spidey's advice and basically led herself to death. This is what bothers me the most about her death. Sure, she help Spidey defeated Electro but... it just really bothers me.
-Spidey refused to save Harry. This is the biggest complain I have for this movie. Peter said that Spider-Man gives people hope, yet he gave Harry desperation. His reason is that his blood might be incompatible and would kill Harry. But he did not really know for sure, and who knows that Harry would literally inject the blood to his own body? Harry could have Oscorp scientists look at the blood samples and start developing the cure or something. But no, Spidey just said no and swing away. And although later on we found out that Oscorp could use his DNA to continue developing bioweapons, but the way that Spidey just straight up said no Harry was rather mean. It would've been better if they had put that scene after Peter finding out about his father DNA and stuffs. But they didn't, and ended up making Spider-Man looks and sounds like a pretentious jerk. Maybe I'm wrong about this, but I don't know. It just didn't feel right to me.
-Everything about Rhino.
-I feel embarrassed for SONY while watching that DOFP end credit scene. That's the best they could do? It was so bad :/
These are my rather rough, and unfinished impressions of the movie. It has a lot of problem, and I have a lot to complain about. But after all, I still found my self enjoying it. Just not as much as Cap 2 or MoS, but more like how I feel about The Wolverine: I neither like nor hate it, I just enjoyed it.
There was no team-up because Harry wasn't planning on becoming a villain and Electro had already left by that point.
You're not the first to have issue with this, but I don't see the problem here. Spider-Man's blood is a total wildcard for obvious reasons; it's not something you'd let people willfully inject themselves with for more obvious reasons. It's not as if he was holding out on a definite cure for Harry, and it'd make sense he'd be gun shy about anyone injecting themselves with genetically-engineered shit after the whole Lizard debacle.
Discotheque
Banned
i didn't have a problem with the blood scene. there was obviously a lot of cut scenes in here that messed with everything (and that pointless train scene would have maybe been better placed before he rejected harry)
i just didn't buy that friendship though. felt very underbaked.
i just didn't buy that friendship though. felt very underbaked.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
Member
It's still disappointing though.
Agree, I guess. I still don't like how he rejected Harry as Spidey though. But I don't know what would be better either. :/
Agree as well.
chickdigger802
Banned
the dumb thing is him going to his freaking crib dressed as spidey just to say no.
That's kind of a dick move no matter how you read it.
That's kind of a dick move no matter how you read it.
brandonh83
Banned
Peter: Oh yeah uh, I ran into Spider-man and asked him about the whole blood thing, he said no.
Harry: BULLSHIT YOU HATE ME YOU LIED TO ME
I think Peter was just trying to do what he thought best to try to get the point across. Harry wasn't exactly the most rational human being and Peter picked up on that about as quickly as anyone else would.
Ninja Scooter
Member
The mid credits scene being from XMen had people in the theatre confused as shit lol
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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Kinda reminded me of Mark Zuckerberg shown up in pajamas for a meeting just to say fuck you, but to a lesser extent.
What was the reason for that? Every marvel movie pretty much has a post credits scene , including the first amazing spider man. Why did Sony put an xmen advert in theirs??
I agree, but at the same time, it's better he heard it straight from "Spider-Man" himself.
But I still felt really bad for him.
MrPink93485
Member
A deal that Fox made because Webb was contractually obligated to do another film for them but Sony wanted him for TASM2.
1000 Branches
Banned
Just came back from watching this. It was exceptionally well done, I really liked it. Might be my second favorite (at the very least third favorite) Spider-Man movie overall. The only one I am sure I liked more than this was Spider-Man 2.
For various reasons in order for Webb to be able to direct this, Sony had to advertise the new X-men movie for free.
This was their safest way of doing that.
Was Harry even in the first movie, I don't remember?
So when Spider-Man shot out his web to save Gwen, why did it open like a hand reaching out? That was dumb. Also why did he jump after her and shoot his web? What did he have to gain? That wouldn't have made it shoot out faster. He kind of killed her by doing that. He caught her with the web and then grabbed onto a girder. That let her fall a little more. I mean if it was whiplash then it didn't really matter, but it really does look like her head hits the floor.
No. In the movie they explain that they haven't seen each other in eight years or whatever.
No. In the movie they explain that they haven't seen each other in eight years or whatever.
You're taking it too literally.
chickdigger802
Banned
so does/has spiderman ever gotten formal martial arts training or is it all instinctive?
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
Member
500 Days of Autumn?
thecouncil
Banned
It's very easy to find strange things about this movie. I just remembered another:
Why was Max carrying blueprints down the street? Was he, like, transferring them to archives or something? Or is that just something that a nerd would do?
Why was Max carrying blueprints down the street? Was he, like, transferring them to archives or something? Or is that just something that a nerd would do?
Duh...foreshadowing that he'll be blue of course.
FUBAR McDangles
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Well once he got to Oscorp that day he went to his boss to tell him that he designed the power plant stuff so it made me think that he was carrying the blueprints of his design to have proof that he should get credit/compensation for all of it.
blitzcloud
Banned
errr. Harry just gave electro liberty to be able to inject himself, he wasn't superhuman or anything. Do you really remember the movie?
By the time Harry transformation was done and he reached the place of the fight, electro was already done for.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
Member
But that didn't stop it from being one of my main disappointments, did it?
RangersFan
Member
Coming in blind. Gonna check it out tomorrow. Was wondering what the credit scene situation is? Are there 2 credit scenes like marvel movies, one early on and one after all credits?
No. There's one mid-credits scene and it's an unrelated commercial for X-Men.
Black Rambo
Banned
So was the only one that caught a black man in a hoodie being mistaken for a threat and forced to defend himself? I wonder did Jamie Foxx do that in purpose.
thecouncil
Banned
Oh, sure. My issue was with the actual use of blueprints. Because blueprints aren't a thing anymore and haven't been for decades. Which is why I suggested he was carrying them to archives. He also probably wouldn't be carrying multiple rolls of them either because it's possible to roll up more than one sheet of paper.
It's not a big deal at all. I'm just saying...
Oh. This is probably it.
brandonh83
Banned
There was also the whole ripping the ground apart to manipulate the power cables among a huge crowd, and also being blue.
sketchsanchez
Member
Mistaken for a threat?
He was a threat, even if he does nothing at all he's a man made out of electricity. Cmon.
thecouncil
Banned
Haha. Yes. He wasn't a black man. He was a glowing blue man.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Anyone else think Dehan could pass for a young DiCaprio in this?
Zoe
Member
I've seen people make the comparison, but I don't think he's that close and is a major downgrade.
Leo was a kid actor, we know what young Leo looked like.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Yeah it was in certain camera shots. I think it's the hair and eye color that mostly do it .
I read a review that believes Electro was based off of Ralph Ellison's Invisible Man. I haven't read it, but after reading the review, I'm inclined to agree.
"Spidey 2 is elevated by a supervillain, Max/Electro, who on the occasion of his birthday finds himself forced to work late for The Man, under unsafe working conditions, and transformed into a human battery/superconductor with a grudge against the failure of an imaginary relationship. "Light confirms my reality, gives birth to my form," says the unnamed protagonist of Invisible Man as he sits in a room lit with 1,369 light bulbs, plotting to also wire his floor in a scheme to steal electricity from "Monopolated Light and Power." He listens to one record on a loop, Louis Armstrong's "What Did I Do To Be So Black and Blue," which says, "My only sin...is in my skin/What did I do...to be so black and blue"--explaining, I think, the character design for this Electro as a creature, initially and pointedly clad in a hoodie, who is all black and blue. Max refers to himself repeatedly as "invisible" and his tormentors at Oscorp do the same. Max declares at one point that what he really wants is to be "seen," and for a moment, in a delicious meta-statement in Times Square, he appears on every public viewscreen in Manhattan. The instant he turns is the instant Spider-Man's image replaces his own. More from Invisible Man:
I lunged for a yellow coin lying on the blue design of the carpet, touching it and sending a surprised shriek to join those rising around me. I tried frantically to remove my hand but could not let go. A hot, violent force tore through my body, shaking me like a wet rat. The rug was electrified.
Invited to speak, Ellison's hero is forced instead to fight for the enjoyment of his white tormentors. Above-described is how he's rewarded: with eletrical torture."
http://www.filmfreakcentral.net/ffc/2014/04/the-amazing-spider-man-2.html
I don't know if it was deliberate or not, but seems like it.
"Spidey 2 is elevated by a supervillain, Max/Electro, who on the occasion of his birthday finds himself forced to work late for The Man, under unsafe working conditions, and transformed into a human battery/superconductor with a grudge against the failure of an imaginary relationship. "Light confirms my reality, gives birth to my form," says the unnamed protagonist of Invisible Man as he sits in a room lit with 1,369 light bulbs, plotting to also wire his floor in a scheme to steal electricity from "Monopolated Light and Power." He listens to one record on a loop, Louis Armstrong's "What Did I Do To Be So Black and Blue," which says, "My only sin...is in my skin/What did I do...to be so black and blue"--explaining, I think, the character design for this Electro as a creature, initially and pointedly clad in a hoodie, who is all black and blue. Max refers to himself repeatedly as "invisible" and his tormentors at Oscorp do the same. Max declares at one point that what he really wants is to be "seen," and for a moment, in a delicious meta-statement in Times Square, he appears on every public viewscreen in Manhattan. The instant he turns is the instant Spider-Man's image replaces his own. More from Invisible Man:
I lunged for a yellow coin lying on the blue design of the carpet, touching it and sending a surprised shriek to join those rising around me. I tried frantically to remove my hand but could not let go. A hot, violent force tore through my body, shaking me like a wet rat. The rug was electrified.
Invited to speak, Ellison's hero is forced instead to fight for the enjoyment of his white tormentors. Above-described is how he's rewarded: with eletrical torture."
http://www.filmfreakcentral.net/ffc/2014/04/the-amazing-spider-man-2.html
I don't know if it was deliberate or not, but seems like it.
Northern Lights
Banned
Movie had so much potential but ny takes the L for this. What they did to green goblins character will never forget they shredded him. That costume is horrendous whoever made it needs to stop taking drugs.
It was unnecessary to add. It's not like the audience couldn't get that he was reaching out to her. No symbolism was required.
It's not like it was about helping the audience understand he was reaching out to her, either. It was just a creative flourish, like the Captain Stacy visions.
chickdigger802
Banned
so why was gwen at the end anyways? She said something that she memorized something, but all she did was push the big red button.
That wasn't a creative flourish, it was part of the plot. Peter was seeing visions of Captain Stacy because he felt guilty about breaking his promise to him. They directly address this in the film.
She said that she knew how the grid worked and was the only one he could take to reboot it or whatever. It was dumb how obvious they made how to do it. Also she clearly did not know how it worked, or else she would have realized that she needed a key.
Because so much of the movie is?
Other ways to show guilt than seeing visions.
You can get across guilt without actual hallucinations of the dead guy. It was a stylistic choice to illustrate it that way, same as the web-hand.
You're nitpicking to nitpick.
It's not nitpicking to not call it a stylistic flourish. Placing an actor or using archived footage out in the open isn't flourish. It was an easy way to show that he was guilty. Not saying that it was bad, but it isn't like it creative or anything. The web hand is a stylistic flourish, but a bad one that was unnecessary. We saw the tension as the web was going down the improbable clock tower and was barely making it to her. It's like that he thought not enough things were happening and added it in to really hammer in the idea that he was reaching out to her in desperation. I know, that part is a nitpick, but it is one of many things that is wrong with the film. For me it was something that interrupted any of the emotional impact of the scene with something that was pretty silly.
Finaika
Member
He uses the Way of the Spider which he invented.
Didn't Shang-Chi help him develop it?
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