Vice: "The Matrix is Dated and Embarrasing."
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figadapaura
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This guy has no idea what he's talking about.
Great movie, i watched it last year and that mobile phone is dated as shit now. i remember it looked so cool back then, everyone wanted one.. and i remember taking a bunch of mushrooms before going to the cinema to watch it.. ah, to be young, dumb and full of psilocybin, good times.
Interestingly, the phone was released in 1996, so it was already dated by the time the film came out.
plasmawave
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I miss those phones. Smartphones don't have personalities to their looks.
the phone i use now is shittier than that. that ish still cool to me
This:
And the agent transformation(and death) looks kind of bad, the rest are fine.
Yeah but CG is supposed to age. It always does, allllways. Thats not a good reason to knock the first Matrix. Its a little campy to watch a 90's movie in 2014, but its still a solid movie.
I agree. It's like why people still want the original unaltered versions of Star Wars. If the Wachowskis started releasing The Matrix with improved/changed CG then you know people will start complaining.
Atraveller
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I didn't say it isn't a great movie, just pointing out what is really dated and what is not.
kurisu_1974
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I know, it's easy to sound edgy in rerospect, but I found those leather coats and sunglasses already extremely tired and dated when I watched the first movie in the cinema back when it was released.
It has some spectacular action scenes, and the concept is amazing, but I I think they are shit movies on several level (acting, casting, dialogue, pacing). I liked the Animatrix much, much better.
It has some spectacular action scenes, and the concept is amazing, but I I think they are shit movies on several level (acting, casting, dialogue, pacing). I liked the Animatrix much, much better.
Interesting? Vice makes a quite cheap job at instigating polemic and trying to be... I dunno, edgy, I guess? It's formulaic and predictable as fuck. It's not interesting because it just panders to the already formed opinions of their target audience rather than giving any kind of unique view or perspective, always aiming for the low hanging fruit.
It's as if I start making Neogaf treads like these:
- Inside the drug-fuelled, crassy world of circumcision business
- Why tipping is taking America back into the segregation age
- The shit that Men's Right Activists are smoking: we want it too
- Fedoras: DON'T
Add in some "crude" and "visceral" expressions, sprinkle them with a dash of political commentary in the vein of "oh my gosh, this is so liburl, this is going to get conservatives sooo riled up when they read it" (truthly, an incredibly difficult feat to archieve) and you are then done. Ghah.
Meanlywhile, Cracked has managed to turn the dumb listicle meme into an actually meaningful structure for articles due to its skilled writting staff, go figure.
Vice has done incredible actual journalism in their video section, but their written opinion articles tends to be poor, to put it midly.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Oh yeah I can definitely agree. I don't think it was a new look so much as it was seeing a 80s/90s cyberpunk outfit in a movie. Someone had to do it.
Coreda
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Eh, Vice is a bunch of hipsters, and this kind of thing is hardly surprising coming from them. I like their video side, so the occasional dumb article isn't changing my opinion of them as a whole.
Watched the Matrix a few years ago and it did feel dated, it's certainly not mind-blowing or deep as some would have me believe. Was still an enjoyable popcorn flick though, and can be enjoyed as such.
Watched the Matrix a few years ago and it did feel dated, it's certainly not mind-blowing or deep as some would have me believe. Was still an enjoyable popcorn flick though, and can be enjoyed as such.
l Zealot l
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Article couldn't be any more wrong.
If he took time to look into the universe he would know exactly why the matrix (both inside the matrix and in the "real world") have the settings they do.
If he took time to look into the universe he would know exactly why the matrix (both inside the matrix and in the "real world") have the settings they do.
had pretty much the same reaction when i rewatched it last year. i think it's pretty rubbish - cringey aesthetic and dialogue, lifeless characters, nowhere near as sophisticated as i remembered - with a few great action scenes. weirdly i love basically everything the wachowski's have done post matrix - v for vendetta, speed racer and cloud atlas.
sparkeysam
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Hmmm I watched it again about a month ago and while it does feel dated it's still a very enjoyable film (for me anyway).
Turin Turambar
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Matrix fans are the worst.
Blade Runner > Ghost in the Shell > Dark City > The Matrix
Let take a step back for a second. It goes Ghost>Blade Runner>Matrix >Dark City
Though Matrix does win in re-watchability
AdventureMike
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Embarrasing?
Is Vice attempting to retroactively sweep its 15-year old past of things it liked at one time clean? The comparisons to Limp Bizkit certainly seem to suggest as much. The only embarrasing thing I see is them trying to act like a music fan on any message board or Reddit attempt to pretend they didn't like Limp Bizkit or the like during that era.
They were hype as shit at the time, now they aren't. Shit, better not let anyone find out or they might question my taste and internet cred!
Is Vice attempting to retroactively sweep its 15-year old past of things it liked at one time clean? The comparisons to Limp Bizkit certainly seem to suggest as much. The only embarrasing thing I see is them trying to act like a music fan on any message board or Reddit attempt to pretend they didn't like Limp Bizkit or the like during that era.
They were hype as shit at the time, now they aren't. Shit, better not let anyone find out or they might question my taste and internet cred!
angular graphics
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LOL no.
Sickboy007
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From the anticonformist journalistic titans who recently brought you a commercial for call of duty.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Rational voices dissented.
One and done. What a shit article.
Red Liquorice
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This sounds pretty amazing actually, as long as she was performing it.
theignoramus
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wrong wrong wrong wrong. I watched it last summer and the action beats and cinematography are still fucking incredible. That entire helicopter scene at the end of the movie? My roommate and I wanted to stand up and yell at the climax of that scene. What an ignorant, presumptuous, pompous waste of an article.
megashock5
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Sounds better than Jedi Rocks in Jabba's Palace, anyway.
Putting an anime above The Matrix. No words.
Femmeworth
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Doing
ShinoguTakeruKoeru
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I think they actually did change something with regards to The Matrix though. Something to do with the color-timing or whatever it's called for when they're inside the Matrix and out in the real world. They made it so the world is tinted greener in the former and bluer in the latter, to be consistent with Reloaded and Revolutions. The original DVD doesn't have this change though. Always wanted to nab that for cheap and compare the two.
Speaking of DVDs, I was bummed out that the Blu-ray versions of Reloaded and Revolutions didn't have nearly as much care in the treatment to HD as the first film did. I wonder how much of that was the reliance on way more full-CG scenes in fights with the later films.
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I liked the first film at the time, but can't watch it now. It's no fault of its own, it was just parodied so much it has become a bit of a cliché. Didn't think much of the second film and never seen the third.
Tony Redgrave
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What? The Matrix is an awesome film and arguably one of the best sci-fi films in the history of the medium. It also introduced a lot of new elements to western cinema, from the most superficial stuff like bullet time to some deeper sci-fi elements that albeit being around for a lot time in other media had never been present in a commercial film.
By the way, IMO Blade Runner>GitS>Matrix>Dark city
By the way, IMO Blade Runner>GitS>Matrix>Dark city
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I always preferred Dark City myself. I get a bit bored by fight scenes.
WanderingWind
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Goddamn that stings, and I don't even work there.
I have to agree. I was impressed when I watched the film at launch in my local theater, but in recent years I've typically cited this movie as one of those films you should never rewatch, because you'll only feel foolish for praising it in the first place. It really does not hold up as a Sci-fi classic alongside others.
Putting the awful clothing design and hacker representations aside, the biggest problem is that its one big revelation towards which the entire first act builds anticipation (our reality is a simulation!) is just not that revolutionary or interesting, and I'm not sure it ever was. It's merely one more escape fantasy, a desire to pull back everything about our social lives and reveal its construction so that we can break out in some gesture of pure freedom. It's not a very compelling concept, and reads like a combination of ideas from a philosophy 101 course (what if... brains in vats??) and undergrad enthusiasm over the idea of social reality as arbitrary, constructed, etc. It's hard to take Neo's hero story seriously of pulling back the cover from his failed life to see that his true self is a powerful warrior in some other world, and everyone else he knows as successful is only duped into believing the big lie of society.
Putting the awful clothing design and hacker representations aside, the biggest problem is that its one big revelation towards which the entire first act builds anticipation (our reality is a simulation!) is just not that revolutionary or interesting, and I'm not sure it ever was. It's merely one more escape fantasy, a desire to pull back everything about our social lives and reveal its construction so that we can break out in some gesture of pure freedom. It's not a very compelling concept, and reads like a combination of ideas from a philosophy 101 course (what if... brains in vats??) and undergrad enthusiasm over the idea of social reality as arbitrary, constructed, etc. It's hard to take Neo's hero story seriously of pulling back the cover from his failed life to see that his true self is a powerful warrior in some other world, and everyone else he knows as successful is only duped into believing the big lie of society.
TheContact
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For being made in 1999 it holds up really well. I remember when it came out I held a standard against every other movie made after that, saying well if the Matrix can do that in 1999 then the other movies should look just as good if not better. The movie still holds up, what a shitty article. Getting sick of Vice tbh, they're like the non-gaming version of Kotaku
I can't stand the new color scheme of the ultimate edition/blu-ray.
It's honestly seriously distracting. It's just too fucking green.
Mainstreamer(1up)
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The Matrix > Blade Runner?, lol, silly.
man
i watched the bluray rip recently and couldnt fucking believe how GREEN it was. why would they do that ugh
……forgetit
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I couldn't agree more, only saw the movie recently, so no nostalgia goggles, cringed threw the whole thing.
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