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Pokemon Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire Remakes Announced for 3DS
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Aaronrules380
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Agreed. And honestly who needs coverage when you have Gen 1 psychic types anyways?
B2W2's biggest problem is you never feel like you accomplish anything, You're just living in the protagonist of BW's shadow the whole time. GSC didn't have this problem because at the end you fight Red and finally get out of his shadow, but in B2W2 you never fight Hilda/Hilbert. Hell, even taking down Ghetsis is more N's doing than yours. It's really weird too, because it feels less like you're helping stop Ghetsis from taking over the world at the end, and more like you stumbled upon an awkward father-son argument that you're just waiting to squirm your way out of.
Why would you do that?
Member
I know where you're coming from, but I can't agree because I can listen to some of Gen 1's music forever. Specifically Route 4:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLcJois9yTs
I might be alone on that one, though...
Gen 2 has great music, too. Ice Cave is tops:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byuqAIbzaWQ
though I think that gen 2 ruined almost all of gen 1's music, so I can't say I like it more overall.
MaximumSpider
Banned
I can't disagree with you. If anyone ever ask which game of the series that I would recommend it would always be the BW series.
strangedopamine
Member
The first three change all the time. Sometimes I'd say 5 is better or 4. At the moment it's 3 as I've recently did a replay of Emerald (also another replay of Drill Dozer
) so the music is stuck in my mind at the moment.BW2 are my second favorites in the series, but I do miss the more openness from the older games. In BW2 I felt like I was just getting ferried from point to point right up until the E4.
Gen 5 had the worst music just because of the nasty ass synths they use. They're borderline annoying.
1.Gen 2
2.Gen 3
3.Gen 6 (but there are some bad tracks. The good ones are on a whole bother level of godly though...)
4.Gen 1
5.Gen 4
6.Gen 5 (only one I really don't like very much)
1.Gen 2
2.Gen 3
3.Gen 6 (but there are some bad tracks. The good ones are on a whole bother level of godly though...)
4.Gen 1
5.Gen 4
6.Gen 5 (only one I really don't like very much)
Nocturnowl
Member
One of things I think is kind of neat about Gen 5 is how despite the angle of direct sequels you could say they offered differing experiences for the same region.
The first places emphasis on the new pokemon, the second caters towards towards those who wanted to see a lot more of the older pokemon on top of an absolute ton of content.
Unfortunately as someone who just sticks around for the main game Black 2 was poorly paced and too bloated for my liking so I'm not that fond of it myself.
But hey that's what kind of works about the pair, odds are if you don't really gel with one of the two you might very well like the other, it's not just an updated version of an older game, it's like a different take within the same world.
Granted it might just be me who sees the pair this way.
Aaronrules380
Member
So another ranking: Villains
I'd say
Ghetsis>Giovanni>Cyrus>Lysander>Archie/Maxie>Gen 2 team rocket execs
Ghetsis wins for being the only team leader to put a mechanism into place that would prevent the player from capturing the legendary he was controlling, as well as actually trying to straight up kill the player rather than settle things with a battle first. Not to mention that I really liked the dynamic he had with N.
Giovanni was awesome and I like the whole gym leader twist.
the rest are much weaker. Cyrus edges above Lysander for not being so corny and overdone, Archie and Maxie were honestly forgettable. Gen 2 loses easily since the execs didn't even have their own names in gold silver, and it's not like they had much going for them in HGSS either since they basically lived in Giovanni's shadow.
I'd say
Ghetsis>Giovanni>Cyrus>Lysander>Archie/Maxie>Gen 2 team rocket execs
Ghetsis wins for being the only team leader to put a mechanism into place that would prevent the player from capturing the legendary he was controlling, as well as actually trying to straight up kill the player rather than settle things with a battle first. Not to mention that I really liked the dynamic he had with N.
Giovanni was awesome and I like the whole gym leader twist.
the rest are much weaker. Cyrus edges above Lysander for not being so corny and overdone, Archie and Maxie were honestly forgettable. Gen 2 loses easily since the execs didn't even have their own names in gold silver, and it's not like they had much going for them in HGSS either since they basically lived in Giovanni's shadow.
I agree mostly. I like Platinum better because it doesn't feel as face-rolling easy, but BW2 are my second-favorite. I love how you actually have some real diversity in how you can build your team from the very start of the game, something that was woefully absent until then.
I agree with your ranking, but I just put Ghetsis on the top for A. Being the actual final boss, B. Having a kickass fight, and C. Having a motive that wasn't idiotic.
Actually, I might put Lysandre below Archie and Maxie. At least Maxie had an understandable motive with all that surfing.
Riposte
Member
Well, maybe the story suffers in a comparison to the original, but I felt more accomplished actually winning major fights with challenge mode on than I have with series since I was like 10. It's worth noting that I haven't been trying to break the game with brute force and do limit myself a little.
I wouldn't mind more antagonist rivals; assholes who pop up at the worst times. Then again, if I had it my way, I would pull off some crazy shit to ruin the player's day.
Just want to mention that the vast team options was the single greatest thing that X/Y had. It was simply amazing the amount of pokemon available
Aaronrules380
Member
I'd like a rival who isn't useless and who it actually feels like you're actively competing against. I liked that in gen 1 you'd see that Blue always beat the gyms before you, but maybe instead have a rival who sometimes does it quicker and sometimes you beat them. I also think another rival champion thing might be cool if it's done in a new way. Like maybe have your player beat the elite 4 and champion, but before you're taken to the hall of fame you're rival appears after beating the elite 4 and challenges you like a reverse blue situation
Music for me is:
HG/SS>G/S/C>D/P/P=B/W/2>RSE>X/Y>>>R/G/B/Y>FR/LG
In retrospect I don't really like either of the gen 1 OSTs at all. I thought that they became fully realized in the gen 2 OSTs. R/G/B/Y's is just too primitive and FR/LG's OST is just a bad rendition of those originals.
Everything else is really good. X/Y is pretty low but I still really liked that game's OST overall. HG/SS is a top 3 soundtrack of all-time for me.
HG/SS>G/S/C>D/P/P=B/W/2>RSE>X/Y>>>R/G/B/Y>FR/LG
In retrospect I don't really like either of the gen 1 OSTs at all. I thought that they became fully realized in the gen 2 OSTs. R/G/B/Y's is just too primitive and FR/LG's OST is just a bad rendition of those originals.
Everything else is really good. X/Y is pretty low but I still really liked that game's OST overall. HG/SS is a top 3 soundtrack of all-time for me.
Aaronrules380
Member
Yeah. I mostly put Lysander above them because he was definitely the most extreme villain considering his plans included Pokemon genocide, but his motives were definitely awful.
Winterfang
Banned
Yeah! Give everyone in the Elite 4 a poke with a mega evo
Sidney: Mega Absol/Mega Gyarados
Phoebe: Mega Banette/ Mega Gengar
Glacia: Mega Abomasnow
Drake: Mega Garchomp/Mega Ampharos
Wallace: Mega Kyogre
CMojicaAce
Member
One does not simply talk about R/S/E music and not bring up these masterpieces:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s8IAxtFhE0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXDpynALaFM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHFBO-ASaE8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s8IAxtFhE0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXDpynALaFM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHFBO-ASaE8
Using a rearranged Gen 1 track is cheating, man.
Aaronrules380
Member
I really hope they make Steven the champion for this. Wallace was a way lamer champion. Anyways, I wouldn't expect the elite 4 to have a mega, but I fully expect every champion from after X and Y to use mega evos for their signature pokemon. For this game that'd mean making Mega Metagross for Steven, and possibly Mega Milotic if Wallace is champion again
Riposte
Member
Do people want Wallace over Steven?
Anyway, I'm of the opinion each mega evo should be unique to a major trainer, so they should hand them out carefully, but I like the idea.
EDIT: Btw, was it possible to predict a RSE remake was coming based on various factors (pokemon selection, legendaries)?
Steven's a lot cooler just wandering around and committing random acts of awesome while being fabulously wealthy.
He's like PokéBatman.
Aaronrules380
Member
I fully expect Steven to be the one who gives player's a mega ring. And for him to have a mega. Preferably Mega Metagross as a new mega rather than Mega Aggron. I mean, collecting rare stones is his thing so it's a perfect fit IMO
CMojicaAce
Member
StreetsAhead
Member
I really hope they implement 3D models for the trainers. That was one of my gripes in XY (well, more the fact that some did, most didn't). I'd like to see more Megas, but I dunno how likely that is beyond maybe the box legends. If they are Megas, I'm not sure whether XY would need a patch or if they'd simply be banned from online battles with the games.
Your list is nearly perfect but it lacks this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVJGzbYUz0U
Fuck it i'll correct myself, Gen3 has the best soundtrack.
Aaronrules380
Member
Honestly now that's it's all but confirmed that Kyogre and Groudon are getting some type of new form be it a mega or not, I don't think arguments about compatibility are valid at all
StreetsAhead
Member
Well, I'm more wondering how they'll handle it. Iirc, the new forms added in Platinum and BW2 weren't compatible with DP/BW, but we have the ability to patch now. I just don't know if it's something Game Freak would do. If you're going to give a patch for the new guys, why not patch in new megas, moves, abilities, items etc??
EDIT: I guess if it's a remake, there's not going to be trainer customization, either. At least, not much.
CMojicaAce
Member
I always found it weird how Double Battles were a big part of Gen 3 but there were no Double Battles during the Elite 4. As a kid, I thought there would be so I always had my two strongest pokemon in the first 2 party slots lol.
Beelzebufo
Banned
How did cross multiplayer work between origin Giratina and a Diamond game?
Wyndstryker
Member
Elite 8 would be hell. Each fight being a double battle....
DragonKnight
Member
No rse ending theme guys? It is the best ending theme in the series.
Lol I was always so bad with this... Always had to switch up my second member mid-battle it seemed
Aaronrules380
Member
The item would just be removed if you entered wifi. Rotom forms were similar and just reverted back to the normal form
But they made it better
So much better. Still cheating.
A compatibility patch probably wouldn't be too much to ask for but who knows. There's already a lot of Gen 3 Megas and both Latis hiding in the code, so they might just call it a day with that and leave the new forms exclusive to the remakes.
Also I'd be very surprised if there's no customization. HG/SS were very liberal in what they modified to keep it up to par with the rest of Gen IV (unlike FR/LG which tried too hard to be the same game). Customization was one of their most advertised features for Gen VI, gutting it would look strange.
Giratina was forced into normal form and the Griseous Orb was returned to your bag. If that restriction was ignored through hacking the game would actually treat him like he was in Origin Forme, because Platinum (the version with the newest ruleset) was considered host and he'd show up in Altered Forme on Diamond/Pearl.
I'm in the camp that says vanilla Black/White are best, but damn if this one wasn't good at getting the feels out of me. That theme plus the "Pokemon you caught" montage, watching the time of day change as you meet back up with alt gender rival/friend, and the slow "trumpetastic" signing out of the song with the Pokemon main theme was really well done. It actually always makes me feel like returning home after a long vacation or trip.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Ugh, hopefully they'd just patch the other game.
Cloud Strife
Member
Well in the last two Gens, the E4 had 4 Pokes but in Gen III they had 5. I'll do 5.
Sidney: Shiftry, Sharpedo, Krookodile (desert region in Hoenn), Cacturne, Mega-Absol
Phoebe: Sableye, Dusknoir, Jellicent (underwater areas), Gengar, Mega-Banette
Glacia: Glalie, Froslass, Walrein, Avalugg (Wynaut), Mega-Abomasnow
Drake: Altaria, Flygon, Salamence, Kingdra, Mega-Garchomp/Mega Charizard X
Wallace (if it's Wallace): Wailord, Ludicolo, Milotic, Whiscash, Hunatil/Gorbyss,Mega-Gyarados
Steven (If it's Stephen): Metagross, Cradily, Armaldo, Magnezone, Mawile, Mega-Aggron
StreetsAhead
Member
I dunno, though, I kind of feel it'd be shitty to lock of Megas to the new games, though. They've never introduced exclusive forms in remakes before. Who knows what they'll do?
That's true. We'll have to wait and see.
Oh gosh i forgot about that... just call it a day and let's link the whole OST.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob_nQpBFpL0
Cloud Strife
Member
Damn those are some nice gems.
Reorchestrated is fantastic. If the Aqua/Magma boss theme hits anywhere near this level of quality, I'll be ecstatic.
Gen 5 has a bunch of great music, but the battle themes are really variable in quality, with the core wild and trainer battles in particular being really forgettable, and that's a big problem for a Pokemon soundtrack.
Wallace as a water master makes perfect sense as the champion of Hoenn.
But Steven's way cooler.
Wallace as a water master makes perfect sense as the champion of Hoenn.
But Steven's way cooler.
Aaronrules380
Member
I feel like they're much more likely to add mega metagross or mega milotic than give wallace and steven mega gyarados or mega aggron. Metagross has always been Steven's signature pokemon and it'd be weird to give his mega evo to anything else. Similar case for Wallace and Milotic
DragonKnight
Member
Lets just nip this in the bud right now: there is no predicting GameFreak. Sure. There used to be a clear cut paradigm but GF has long since flipped that on its head. They do what they want when they want.