Pound_lb003
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They've done well to make you think Destiny is their own IP. Jeez.
Anywho, they don't have half as much announced as Microsoft do, maybe wait until after E3?
Sony's E3 2014 - What are we all expecting?
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They've done well to make you think Destiny is their own IP. Jeez.
Anywho, they don't have half as much announced as Microsoft do, maybe wait until after E3?
Cthulhu_Steev
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I hope so.
So yeah, because I continue to see this opinion, can someone explain why someone believes this? Topic: holding back or not doing anything because they're in the lead.
Not nearly as lacking as Microsoft's but hey, we all have opinions.
Maybe its what people convinced themselves Microsoft was doing late last gen
dgrdsv
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Why? Am I missing anything from MS? All they did is announced Halo 5 name and date (turned out exactly as expected) and Halo 1-4 HD re-releases (even Halo 1-4 are less than one TLoU in my opinion). And to beat that Sony needs to announce 9 new games?..
Sure, Halo is one of two biggest MS franchises but so is Uncharted in Sony's camp which is in the exact same position as Halo 5 right now. So you could say that to counter MS's announcements of last week they need to announce UC1-2-3 PS4 collection.
BlackBuzzard
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There is no explanation, its another case of Sony Too
Sony has never sat on their ass not with PS1 not with PS2 and certainly not with PS3. I doubt they will start doing that with PS4.
friskykillface
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I wonder how long they will spend on the last of us PS4 edition, we still don't have a release date or gameplay?
i'd say 5-10 minutes
i'd say 5-10 minutes
SolidSnakex
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E3 is also a perfect time for Sony to show what Third Party Productions has been up to. I know some will be disappointed since it's almost certainly going to be PS3 or even Vita related, but they have to have something by now.
Winterfang
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I'll be shocked if Sony even acknowledges the Vita.
Pound_lb003
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E3 will bring Shocking News for you then!
Sony used to always reveal games before E3 but they are most likely revealing everything at this e3 for the biggest effect. Ms still has to show games they announced at last e3.
They are probably going to show Call of Duty, some EA games, Sunset Overdrive, Titanfall DLC Quantum Break, Gears 4, Witcher 3 Forza Horizon, Halo 1,2,3,4,5. They will obviously include a couple more AAA exclusives and an old ip revival. How is that supposed to win them E3? It's moslty more of the same. What Ms always thinks is not what the fans think. To microsoft that list above is megaton. And if they show off the most third party games then they should not win, because those games will be available on ps4. Same goes for sony, they will probably show a few more exclusives and show third parties from ubisoft, Rockstar, Batman Devs, the 2k sprots devs, Bethesda, capcom, konami, Activision( bungie and crash! Believe!). Unless ms money hats multiple BIG established exclusives, they aren't winning e3, only xbox fans will think that.
They are probably going to show Call of Duty, some EA games, Sunset Overdrive, Titanfall DLC Quantum Break, Gears 4, Witcher 3 Forza Horizon, Halo 1,2,3,4,5. They will obviously include a couple more AAA exclusives and an old ip revival. How is that supposed to win them E3? It's moslty more of the same. What Ms always thinks is not what the fans think. To microsoft that list above is megaton. And if they show off the most third party games then they should not win, because those games will be available on ps4. Same goes for sony, they will probably show a few more exclusives and show third parties from ubisoft, Rockstar, Batman Devs, the 2k sprots devs, Bethesda, capcom, konami, Activision( bungie and crash! Believe!). Unless ms money hats multiple BIG established exclusives, they aren't winning e3, only xbox fans will think that.
Sony also needs to show games which they announced last year.
Some Nobody
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I think I'm the only person in the world (and by world, I mean "on GAF") who's not hyped for The Last Guardian. Sorry fellows, but Team ICO was never one of my things.
As a result, I can look at things objectively and say that TLG will most probably be at E3. It's been in development for ages, they probably just moved it to PS4. It's probably the main thing Sony Japan's working on. Maybe they're working on the rumored AAA J-RPG, but I've seen literally nothing that corroborates this information elsewhere.
Oh, there's also Project Beast, but I care about the Souls series as much as most of GAF care about Assassin's Creed games. There's a slim chance they do something visually interesting and present a game I'd like to play since I like the time period they seem to be going for, but more likely I'll bow out on that one.
And, a thought just occurred. Dude. RPGs don't make that much money, aside from Skyrim and mainline Final Fantasy games. So is there supposed to be a Guerilla Games RPG AND a Sony Japan RPG? In addition to Project Beast? Uhhhh....
Jdnathan11
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Yes we do and mine is that I'm a fan of the ps4, just not their ip's. Bring on dem multi-plats domz.
I think Sony have bombs to drop this E3. A Uncharted Trailer to blow people brains. The Order Gameplay Demo with crazy graphics. Project Beasts Trailer. Revival of The Last Guardian. Perhaps some F2P surprises like Hawken or even LittleBigPlanet Hub moved to PS4. We can also expect Gameplay Demo of 3rd party games like Batman Arkham Knight and maybe a GTAV next gen reveal.
Nightengale
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Fable sells 3-4 million, and it's a success to them. Not every game is greenlit with the thought process of 'we need this game to sell 10 million copies' or it bombs.
Of course it's great to have a breakthrough hit IP. But it's also critical that the mass of RPG fans can see a console and say "damn, that console has the best RPGs, multiplat and exclusive, I'll buy that console over the other one."
Besides, Guerilla has been satisfied with Killzone's mediocre sales thus far. If they could make a new IP that sells an upward of 3 million, they'd probably be more than satisfied.
Project Beast is probably a safe investment. It sells to a hardcore niche that's at least a million strong, the cost of development isn't extremely significant compared to RPGs being developed for 5+ years, and the Souls-brand has grown ever since Demon's.
A Sony Japan RPG? Well, that's a bigger anamoly. But it's also been true that Sony has historically invested in 2 console JRPGs ever since the PS1 era, and that JRPGs still matter in Japan to an extent, proven by DQ's enduring popularity, Persona, etc. Realistically, I can see them making one strong attempt. If it fails, the IP can always live on as a budget Vita experience.
Papacheeks
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I think people are going to be surprised at what they show this year. Last year a lot of the games that mostly will be shown at this year's E3 will be mostly gameplay trailers,or stage demo's.
They couldn't last year probably because the games weren't in a stage to show yet to the public.
To previous Poster, Gears 4 is a long ways out, they havn't even made it out of concept preproduction yet.
We will get a teaser trailer with a title screen possibly. Microsoft unfortunatley I think Blew their load last E3.
Only games they can show that are not out, are Halo 5(2015 game) D4, Fable Legends, Quantum game which will be gameplay, Forza(even though it's different series, still too soon for another).
Even though it's had decent exposure we'll see more sunset too.
Maybe the new Platinum game that will probably be their big reveal, along with Halo HD collection. And add some Third party games in there.
It's sad that my mindset for Microsoft is predictable, that's probably because over the past couple years prior to Xbone, they relied on 3rd party, and Gears, Fable, Forza, Halo.
I think that's come to bite them in the ass. I mean they could blow me away this year, or at least surprise me.
I would love that actually. But since the leaks over the course or these past months, seems to me Microsoft doesn't have as many projects in the oven as Sony does.
Just my 2 cent's.
Some Nobody
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Hm. So, if E3 looked something like this:
First-Party: Uncharted 4, The Order, DriveClub, Guerilla Games' RPG, The Last Guardian, Project Beast, Gravity Rush 2.
Sony Exclusive: Deep Down, Lily Bergamo.
Third-Party: Triad Wars, Just Cause 3 (these two have to go somewhere, why not here), Final Fantasy XV, Batman: Arkham Knight, Tomb Raider 2, Destiny, Hitman VI.
Would you guys be disappointed? Obviously I don't know anything, but these games have to go somewhere.
Realistically, this is probably the lightest they can get.
First-Party: Uncharted 4, The Order, DriveClub, Guerilla Games' RPG, The Last Guardian, Project Beast, Gravity Rush 2.
Sony Exclusive: Deep Down, Lily Bergamo.
Third-Party: Triad Wars, Just Cause 3 (these two have to go somewhere, why not here), Final Fantasy XV, Batman: Arkham Knight, Tomb Raider 2, Destiny, Hitman VI.
Would you guys be disappointed? Obviously I don't know anything, but these games have to go somewhere.
Realistically, this is probably the lightest they can get.
Papacheeks
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I agree, but I think Just Cause 3 is ways out, unless they have 2 teams, because they are also working on the new Mad Max game, which will have an actual Gameplay reveal. But I could see them showing a trailer for Just cause 3. Depends on where it is in development.
All the other stuff, yes Tomb Raider will have a trailer, Destiny will show PVP, Arkham Knight, might not be where it needs to be. I think we may not see that game. Unless what they showed to the press couple months back was older build of the game.
But that list is pretty spot on, I think we will see Media Molecule's game, along with trailer for Quantic Dreams game.
Unless third party take up too much time?
Which has happened on both party;s, and later after E3 the trailers were released to show people.
But I would say that list is not overreaching at all.
Which is why I think people are going to be surprised this year by Sony.
They are going to show that Indies are not the only thing they have cooking.
Way too many 3rd party games. Focus on AAA exclusives. Only major 3rd party title that I wouldn't mind seeing is Destiny.
Are you going to attend Sony's presser?
Winterfang
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What's more to say about driveclub? Just give a release date and be done with it. Shouldn't take more than 3 seconds.
TheRealTalker
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they gave us a release date 2 weeks ago
I hope zero tbh if they bring naughty dog on stage just to show something we have already played it will be a waste.
JehutyRunner
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It already has a release date: October 7 (US), October 8 (EU), October 10 (UK).
Some Nobody
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There's a second team.
Probably was. I'd think a build they showed the press would be the most stable, not the most recent.
I could see that. Sony's got a lot of studios working on a lot of games.
You're going to be disappointed. Plus I mean...seriously. Are Sony games the only ones you play?
I think you overestimated their state in the past of the industry. They used to have a deep PC pool before they shut down all of their PC Studios. They have two generations of IP that they've cultivated and quite a few those were for a console that sold around 20 million units. Very limited selection and impact. Sony on the other hand, had sold of its two 5th fifth generation flagship a long time ago but still have many many more to pick from. The IP list of one offs and long forgot properties is insanely long. And I'd think that each of them have a niche of people that would flock for a sequel.
That idea has always disgusted me. Driveclub is Evolutions project. It's an IP they've wanted to make for years now. There'd be no more efficient way to disrespect that than branding it under some bigger entity that needs no help being bigger. Gran Turismo doesn't need an arcade entry, that's a new IP's job. God of War doesn't need a first person shooter, an RTS, and a card game. Those are things that new IP can do and become their own distinct franchises.
Warhawk tried to be to ambitious and it's sequel bombed. The only thing it deserves from the eyes of making money is an HD Re-Release and a F2P conversion (cosmetics only). There's no need to take existing IP and use new ideas on them when you can take a spiritual successor route and not only grab the existing fan base, but a new one too. I don't like Halo that much. I hate Gears. I have no desire to ever touch a Forza game again. And I never like Fable as much as everyone else. The four most prominent IP MS has, and I don't like them that much. What's a Halo card game or RTS game gonna do for me if I don't like the base IP? Maybe Sony is missing out of 3+ Million more sales by not doubling down of their heavy hitters, but they became heavy hitters all on their own. If you have a taste for a genre, there's a franchise for you (minus a few).
Japan Studios does a good job, but for different reasons than you say. Just recently they made a match 3 F2P from a dungeon maker IP. And I think if Mort was right before he got banned on that Quesy Games x Parrappa game then they'll be doing just that. There are ambitious indies that would love a shot at making their favorite game better than it was before. I think Harmonix might be on this too but I don't think that Kickstarter is happening.
Their own niche is their broad ranges of new IP. Even if they are one offs. Any time they've tried to revive their stuff it's more often than not bombed.
MS is trying to foster new exclusive blockbusters with an inevitable multiplatform game and the revival of an old fighter? Your points are at odds with each other. You want new IP Blockbusters but you want subsidiary games with Gran Turismo : Driveclub. If you want proof Sony is still cultivating new IP and raising them up, like the have for the last couple generations, look at Driveclub not being Gran Turismo, The Order 1886 and it's cross-media potential, and the fact that as far as we know a ton of new IP are hitting.
Of course not. But I don't see why Sony needs to show off 5 or 6 multiplat games at their E3 press conference. The focus should be on exclusives.
Papacheeks
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No, but got some friends who work for The Verge, and couple publications that might be there.
But I think what I was predicting isn't far fetched at tall, if anything it's realistic. But again depends on where those games are in development,which will determine what we are going to be shown.
But stuff that was teased last year, most likely we at least will see a gameplay trailer.
Use common sense, E3 is for press and Investors, if you havn't even shown a screen shot of actual in-game assets, then you have to show something to create buzz and keep current investors happy.
Showing Investors behind closed doors doesn't create the same impact when press is involved.
Papacheeks
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Agreed, they seem to be too much in bed with Ubisoft. I want to see what all their studios are working on.
Especially Santa Monica and Naughty Dog.
It does not work like this.
I don't think Sony treats their conference time as something limited. Their conferences seem to go on and on. Trust me: DriveClub stuff will be among the most exciting things they show.
http://www.gamepur.com/news/14676-p...oost-team-ice-port-difference-will-grow-.html
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If this is true I will shit my pants. Indeed I will.
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Some Nobody
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Because some people think Destiny is PS4 exclusive. Perception is important.
The reality is two-fold: Sony can only work on so many games, and they don't tend to show everything at a single event. Sony will probably pop up at Gamescom with more stuff, then again at TGS with one or two games. I'm assuming VGA's time in the sun is done now given how pathetic last year's was, but in place of that we'll probably get reveals of various games in the months following E3 in little drips. After all, we've still yet to see the results of Sony's Third Party Productions.
IAmRandom31
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E3 is a gigantic marketing tool for games in front of millions of potential buyers. Sony has a ton of software to push for 2014 and E3 will be one of the best places to showcase them to future buyers. Get the hype train moving on individual products.
You are attempting to sell the 2014 games to the E3 public, get word of mouth spreading about said soon to release projects, and get people to feel confident in a purchase of the PS4 if they are not yet. So you sell some people on current software, sell some on soon to be released software, and then sell people on the idea of a well rounded future for the entire console.
http://www.gamepur.com/news/14676-ps4-receiving-massive-performance-boost-team-ice-port-difference-will-grow-.html
Interesting indeed. But not sure what they could do to boost the power? A firmware update that boosts all the PS4 owners clock speeds? I dunno lol.
Freeman
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I think that at this particular E3 it would make sense for Sony to show as much of the games they have in production as possible. It would be more beneficial to them to have an absolutely amazing E3 this year and a lackluster one next year than 2 good ones. It has the potential to really disrupt Xbox sales and tip the balance even more in Sony's favor. Sony flexing their internal development strength is their checkmate. MS is willing to show even games that barely entered development like GeoW, it doesn't benefit Sony to keep everything secret.
Crimson_Gold
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Sony did this last gen. That is why we are still sitting around waiting for The Last Guardian. Sony should definitely show a nice amount of stuff, but to show everything is not necessarily the best strategy. Show your commitment to the platform. Show some exciting things coming to the platform in the short term and the long term. Keep the message simple, PS4 is the best place for gamers to be.
wapplew
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Name drop was easy and cheap, show your game way too early is a mistake.
Sony have learn their lesson last gen, yosp specially mention that they won't do it again.
And I think they announce Uncharted way too early.
Some Nobody
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Sometime last year Cerny mentioned that there was something in the PS4 architecture that would allow for a lot of evolution in games overtime. Though from what he said it would be Year 3 or Year 4 before we saw it.
Disagreed. I think it'd be better if they had a strong but not necessarily amazing E3 this year, and a strong one next year as well. The implication being that Sony's always strong. Keep in mind that the longer they're in first place, the harder it'll be to displace them.
harrypmgaga
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Oh man I can imagine the Cult of Valve reactions now.
Exactly what I'm thinking. This is the first E3 since the launch of the consoles, it's so much more important than other E3s. MS and Nintendo don't show much stuff at GC, TGS or VGAs either, so they don't have to hold games back for that this year. They can show even more Indie and Vita-games there and (smaller) japan 3rd-party stuff. And games that really aren't ready to be shown yet.
But the big guns should be at E3 this year.
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