Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 7: How Can My Smash Brother Be This Cut

I met qq in the Smash chat...page thing, whatever its called. He was there during the last Smash Direct.

I'm not a regular in the chat room though so I haven't been on since then to see if he's still there :(
I need to start using it more.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
I've said it before, but, assuming Atlus is developing SMTxFE, it makes total sense why we haven't seen it. They had significant parent company problems, got purchased, and their plans for (relatively) major games like Persona got delayed by a year and even had to limit the systems their big games appeared on because of it.

They were intending to add content and voice acting to a DS game and re-release it, as a 3DS game, and haven't managed it since the announcement well over a year ago with no actual date yet. And that's their SRPG team, too!
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Persona was delayed? Which one? Still, Persona Q shares some staff members with SMTIV, and it's already close to release.
 
NeonZ said:
Persona was delayed? Which one? Still, Persona Q shares some team members with SMTIV, and it's already coming out.
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Lots of people that would know said the reveal for P5 was originally going to happen a year prior and included other systems (at least the Vita) but all the stuff with Index and Sega caused them to have to wait.
 
-Horizon- said:
Should I just make an account with that Mibbit thing? Having to enter a new username each time and being kicked out after some inactive time seems like a hassle. *I have no experience with these chat things* lol
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Making an account helps a bit, but I think you'll still have to enter a name. Shouldn't get kicked until at least a few hours though.
 
SmithnCo said:
Making an account helps a bit, but I think you'll still have to enter a name. Shouldn't get kicked until at least a few hours though.
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Something happened during the smash direct then, I was posting for half an hour and then bam, suddenly I was offline and then I was entered under a new name. Too many people?
Whatever, I guess an account doesn't seem worthwhile to make then.
 
-Horizon- said:
Something happened during the smash direct then, I was posting for half an hour and then bam, suddenly I was offline and then I was entered under a new name. Too many people?
Whatever, I guess an account doesn't seem worthwhile to make then.
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Yeah, way too many people were on during that.
 
Azure J said:
Kamek and K. Rool are interesting choices too, but the former would really need a lot to stand out from standard Magikoopa enemies and Rool I just don't know enough about to suggest something unique.
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Kamek's already disconfirmed, since Magikoopas (which look identical to him) are an enemy in Smash Run. I'd love Kamek, though.

The Great Gonzales said:
The problem is, most of the big series have one major, recurring bad guy, and then a few one-offs who aren't important enough for Smash (unless Sakurai is in one of his WFT moods, I guess.)

Mario has Bowser and then a bunch of one offs - Count Bleck, Grodus, Smithy, etc. No way we're seeing any of those guys in Smash. King Boo is an exception, but we already have so many Mario characters, we probably won't get any more.

Zelda has Ganondorf, and then people like Demise, Ghirahim, Queen Ambi, Onox, etc. Vaati is the only reasonable contender I can think of.

Kirby has DeDeDe, Meta Knight, and who else? Dark Matter? Kracko? (that would be hype, actually. New boss character?)

Point is, Smash already has most of the major, interesting bad guys. Captain Syrup and King K. Rool are about the only obvious choices I can think of who aren't already in.

Ridley goes without saying, of course.
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Yeah, this is how I feel. That's why I think it's pretty much down to Ridley and King K. Rool. (Nothing against Captain Syrup, but I think she's a lot less likely than either Ridley or King K. Rool, especially with the focus on the WarioWare series for Wario in Smash Bros.)

Ryce said:
Ridley will be a stage hazard and K. Rool will (at best) be an Assist Trophy. Outside of maybe Bowser Jr., none of the remaining Nintendo villains are well-known/recurring enough to be playable.
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You've got some of the best Smash Bros. judgement of SmashGAF, in my opinion, but I don't think you should say things with such certainty like that. I try not to, as well, because there's always the possibility I can be proved wrong somehow (and I have been). It's not like Sakurai hasn't already surprised us a few times with this game. King K. Rool may very well be a playable character, who knows. And the whole Ridley thing can be debated forever...I won't deny the fact that he will be a stage hazard, though. That doesn't mean that's all he'll be, however, and I find Sakurai's teasing of Ridley to be particular odd.

But really, Ridley and King K. Rool are about as well-known and recurring as Ganon, I'd say. The former is debatable, but the latter can't really be argued. In fact, both of them are more recurring in their respective franchises than Ganon. There have been more The Legend of Zelda games without Ganon (and even more if you only count Ganondorf) than there have been Metroid and Donkey Kong games without Ridley and King K. Rool. They've each only been absent from three games in their franchises (Metroid II, Metroid Prime Hunters, and Metroid Prime 2 for Ridley, and Donkey Kong Jungle Beat, Donkey Kong Country Returns, and Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze for King K. Rool), while Ganon(dorf) has been absent from many more Zelda games.

I think they've both got more running for them than Bowser Jr., at least. I expect at least one of the two to be in this game as a playable character, maybe even both. I can't imagine Sakurai adding no new bad guys at all.
 
I've played every DKC game but if you asked me to define K.Rool's identity, I'm not sure I could give you anything besides "He's the Donkey Kong villain in some of the games." That's not at all true for Ganondorf or Bowser. They gave them personalities over the years.

Like, K.Rool does not pass the "Describe the character without saying their job or physical description" test.
 
-Horizon- said:
Someone pink-ify and add a bow to Ice's Ridley avatar. Ice will gladly change to it.
this sounds like that Sylveon situation in the early threads lol
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ShockingAlberto said:
I've played every DKC game but if you asked me to define K.Rool's identity, I'm not sure I could give you anything besides "He's the Donkey Kong villain in some of the games." That's not at all true for Ganondorf or Bowser. They gave them personalities over the years.

Like, K.Rool does not pass the "Describe the character without saying their job or physical description" test.
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Eh, I'm not a K. Rool fan, but I wouldn't agree. He's clearly psychotic, and the multiple personality disorder is significant. He definitely has a personality, it's just he's an asshole clown.
 
Beelzebufo said:
Eh, I'm not a K. Rool fan, but I wouldn't agree. He's clearly psychotic, and the multiple personality disorder is significant. He definitely has a personality, it's just he's an asshole clown.
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I feel like most of this is supposition, though.

There's seemingly a fancanon K.Rool and what's actually in the games. Ganondorf and Bowser (and hell, even Ridley) don't need to make those leaps, K.Rool does.
 
Beelzebufo said:
Eh, I'm not a K. Rool fan, but I wouldn't agree. He's clearly psychotic, and the multiple personality disorder is significant. He definitely has a personality, it's just he's an asshole clown.
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Yeah, I don't see much difference between the amount of personality King K. Rool has compared to, say, Bowser. They've both got about the same amount of personality, in my opinion.

But characters like Bowser and Ganondorf have also had more recent games to showcase their personalities better. There haven't been very many Donkey Kong games at all in the last decade, comparatively. I seem to remember King K. Rool having a good amount of personality in Donkey Kong 64 (haven't played the Paon Donkey Kong games, so I can't comment on those), and you can't deny his personality in the Donkey Kong animated series...lol.
 
Tyeforce said:
Yeah, I don't see much difference between the amount of personality King K. Rool has compared to, say, Bowser. They've both got a bit of personality, but neither is really bursting with it, at least not in my opinion.

But characters like Bowser and Ganondorf have also had more recent games to showcase their personalities better. There haven't been very many Donkey Kong games at all in the last decade, comparatively. I seem to remember King K. Rool having a good amount of personality in Donkey Kong 64 (haven't played the Paon Donkey Kong games, so I can't comment on those), and you can't deny his personality in the Donkey Kong animated series...lol.
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I don't know that "He hasn't been in enough content to be significant enough to define him" is really an argument for inclusion.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
I feel like most of this is supposition, though.

There's seemingly a fancanon K.Rool and what's actually in the games. Ganondorf and Bowser (and hell, even Ridley) don't need to make those leaps, K.Rool does.
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he mentioned a wife in dkc3 who was going to kill him for using her pots and pans

Do Bowser or Ganondorf have a significant other?
 
ShockingAlberto said:
I don't know that "He hasn't been in enough content to be significant enough to define him" is really an argument for inclusion.
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Luigi had pretty much no personality of his own when he was included in the original Super Smash Bros. The fact that a character's personality hasn't been explored more in their games isn't really any reason to not include them in Smash Bros. What matters most is the character's importance and their unique abilities. I'd say King K. Rool is certainly important enough, as one of the only big Nintendo villains who aren't playable in Smash Bros. yet. (And I think his personality is sufficient, too, not that that should matter much, though.)
 
Personality is probably one of the least important factors (or may not even be a factor at all) to choosing characters.

And with that said, I think King K. Rool is not going to be in Smash. His relevancy to the DK series is pretty much non-existant for a while now and DK is currently an active series.

And with that also said, please don't compare his relevancy in the DK series to another character in Smash. That isn't an argument for a character at all. Each character's inclusion is under unique circumstances.
 
Aw sweet, my account's approved! Just in time for some pre E3 hype! Been lurking GAF for ages (far more than it should be healthy), and now I finally waste my time here properly.
 
DaBoss said:
Personality is probably one of the least important factors (or may not even be a factor at all) to choosing characters.

And with that said, I think King K. Rool is not going to be in Smash. His relevancy to the DK series is non-existant.

And with that also said, please don't compare his relevancy in the DK series to another character in Smash. That isn't an argument for a character at all. Each character's inclusion is under unique circumstances.
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You can't just erase all the past Donkey Kong games that King K. Rool has been in, though. He's missed three games, that's all. That hardly means his relevancy is completely non-existent. He appeared in games just last generation.
 
OmegaSmash said:
Aw sweet, my account's approved! Just in time for some pre E3 hype! Been lurking GAF for ages (far more than it should be healthy), and now I finally waste my time here properly.
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Welcome!

(I feel like we've welcomed a handful recently).

Smash smash smash!

Tyeforce said:
You can't just erase all the past Donkey Kong games that King K. Rool has been in, though. He's missed three games, that's all. That hardly means his relevancy is completely non-existent. He appeared in games just last generation.
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Every newcomer so far has been in a game more recently than K. Rool though. They've played MAJOR roles in their games, too. The last game K. Rool was in was as a character in Mario super sluggers on wii, and before that as an unlockable in DK Barrel blast (which was originally a gamecube game). He hasn't been the main antagonist for a while. I'd say most kids today don't even know who he is.

He'll be lucky if he graduates from 'trophy' status. Best case is stage boss/hazard, with assist trophy as a runner up.
 
georly said:
Every newcomer so far has been in a game more recently than K. Rool though. They've played MAJOR roles in their games, too. The last game K. Rool was in was as a character in Mario super sluggers on wii, and before that as an unlockable in DK Barrel blast (which was originally a gamecube game). He hasn't been the main antagonist for a while. I'd say most kids today don't even know who he is.

He'll be lucky if he graduates from 'trophy' status. Best case is stage boss/hazard, with assist trophy as a runner up.
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Of the six currently announced newcomers in the new game, yeah. That doesn't mean there can't be newcomers that haven't been in a game in awhile, though. Pit hadn't appeared in a game (outside of cameos) in about 17 years prior to Brawl, for example. At the end of the day, King K. Rool is still the main antagonist of the Donkey Kong franchise, and that status is very beneficial to his possible inclusion in Smash Bros., even if he's been absent for awhile.
 
Tyeforce said:
Of the six currently announced newcomers in the new game, yeah. That doesn't mean there can't be newcomers that haven't been in a game in awhile, though. Pit hadn't appeared in a game (outside of cameos) in about 17 years prior to Brawl, for example. At the end of the day, King K. Rool is still the main antagonist of the Donkey Kong franchise, and that status is very beneficial to his possible inclusion in Smash Bros., even if he's been absent for awhile.
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I had a 13 year old gaming enthusiast ask me who Megaman is this week. No one knows who King K. Rool is. Just us old farts.
 
OmegaSmash said:
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Welcome.
Tyeforce said:
Of the six currently announced newcomers in the new game, yeah. That doesn't mean there can't be newcomers that haven't been in a game in awhile, though. Pit hadn't appeared in a game (outside of cameos) in about 17 years prior to Brawl, for example. At the end of the day, King K. Rool is still the main antagonist of the Donkey Kong franchise, and that status is very beneficial to his possible inclusion in Smash Bros., even if he's been absent for awhile.
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And that is why I said using an existing character in Smash as reasoning is not contributing to your argument. :p

Pit was a retro character when introduced in Brawl of a defunct series.

King K. Rool was a former antagonist of an active series and hasn't played a major role for a long time now. And his last few major roles have been in spin-offs.
 
Tyeforce said:
Of the six currently announced newcomers in the new game, yeah. That doesn't mean there can't be newcomers that haven't been in a game in awhile, though. Pit hadn't appeared in a game (outside of cameos) in about 17 years prior to Brawl, for example. At the end of the day, King K. Rool is still the main antagonist of the Donkey Kong franchise, and that status is very beneficial to his possible inclusion in Smash Bros., even if he's been absent for awhile.
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Pit's concept allowed Sakurai to implement a unique mechanic in gliding. I'm sure that Sakurai included Ice Climbers because he wanted to experiment with dual characters.

What could K. Rool bring to other than being another overgrown lizard?
 
Karsticles said:
I had a 13 year old gaming enthusiast ask me who Megaman is this week. No one knows who King K. Rool is. Just us old farts.
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I know, but when has that ever been reason to not include a character in Smash Bros. if they're significant enough to their franchise or Nintendo as a whole?
DaBoss said:
Welcome.

And that is why I said using an existing character in Smash as reasoning is not contributing to your argument. :p

Pit was a retro character when introduced in Brawl of a defunct series.

King K. Rool was a former antagonist of an active series and hasn't played a major role for a long time now. And his last few major roles have been in spin-offs.
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I'm aware of that, but why can't we have a "retro" villain of a franchise, too? (Not that King K. Rool is really "retro" at all...but you know what I mean. He doesn't have to have appeared in recent games for him to be a viable option for a playable character in Smash Bros.)

Amazeballs said:
Pit's concept allowed Sakurai to implement a unique mechanic in gliding. I'm sure that Sakurai included Ice Climbers because he wanted to experiment with dual characters.

What could K. Rool bring to other than being another overgrown lizard?
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Pit specifically didn't allow Sakurai to add gliding. Are you forgetting about all the other gliding characters? Pit did bring a unique play style to Smash Bros., though, and so would King K. Rool. There aren't too many heavyweight characters, so more is always a good thing, and King K. Rool has plenty of potential to have an interesting and unique move set.
 
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