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[KissVibes]

My bandwidth is too valuable to waste on stuff I don't give a shit about.

Sure, I'll turn it off in places like GAF where the ads are hardly bothersome and I don't mind helping, but stuff like the IGN ads or banner ads that cover a part of the screen and keep playing videos like in Eventhubs can fuck off.

When I watch TV, I can switch channels during commercial breaks. If walking on the street, I can just completely ignore posters and handouts. Why the fuck is the internet this special place where I HAVE to give you my attention?

Unlike television channels, websites don't get a cut of what you pay for your internet service. Additionally, when you change the channel you are no longer viewing that broadcast, so how about you take the same approach, and don't use websites that have ads on them that bother you? I disagree with enjoying content but denying the creators the right to get paid for it. I think IGN has some of the worst fucking ads of all time plaguing their website so I don't go there. I don't visit websites I don't like or agree with, so I don't have to worry about them getting money from me.

YouTube video ads can be annoying but I watch them because the people I'm watching on YouTube entertain me, are informative and helpful, or serve as a positive impact on my life and they deserve to be paid for their time and effort.

There are some really fucking awful and irrelevant ads on NeoGAF but I put up with them. Why? Because in order for me to continuing to participate in the greatest community on the internet, WrestleGAF, the site has to stay operational. How does it do that? With money.

 

[meanspartan]

No, not right now, but it's the kinda thing they'd drool for.

The idea of ISPs subsidising content providers is indirectly a result of the Netflix deal that was struck recently. Shockingly, Comcast and Verizon can now advertise that their packages provide a 'better' Netflix experience. The ISPs, therefore get more customers, more money and Netflix gets more viewers and more subscription revenue.

It doesn't matter which direction it goes in. Some things need to be separate.

Actually, WE are subsidizing Netflix now. Because we pay the ISPs for that internet access partially because we want to watch Netflix, and then they bitch and cry about it not being "Fair" that Netflix uses so much bandwidth (fuck them and their billions in profits) so Netflix has to now pay them for "better access", and then we pay Netflix another dollar or two a month as they pass that cost onto us.

So, because of that coming price increase, Netflix subscribers will pay TWICE for the same service. Once to the ISP, and again with that price increase of a dollar a month or whatever it is, to cover the ISP shake down of Netflix.

 

[REMAINSILLY]

Hi there. I got mentioned a few times in this thread so I thought I would come in here and talk about this.

If you use adblock and not viewing ads when you consume content then you are directly denying income for those who are creating the content you are about to consume.

It takes time, effort, equipment, and money to product it. It costs you nothing either way.

But here's the thing. When you sit through an ad you are participating in one of the best deals in the century.

You get free content.
The person creating it gets paid.
It costs money for a MULTIBILLION dollar company to produce, and show that ad. That money goes into the hands of the person who created the content you consumed.

You literally get to be robin hood. You literally get to steal from the rich and give to the poor.

If you're choosing not to do that, I agree with pach; you are a pretty rude person.

Now that said, I still enjoy you watching my content either way. I'm making X amount of dollars and lets say 60% of my users use adblock so I could be making 60% more income. That would be certainly great.

I'm very happy though to be making X. I really hope it doesnt lessen, and I really won't be butthurt if it doesnt increase.

But if you choose to not be Robin Hood in exchange for sitting through a 30 second advertisement then you're a bit self centered for sure.

Just saying.

I remember the days when making videos for YouTube was a hobby and not a job. What a time to be alive back then.

 

[-Cwalat-]

In other words, as far as you are concerned, the people running the websites don't deserve to be paid for their work?

Never said they don't deserve to be paid.

Just said that however they get paid, shouldn't have to conflict with the audience. If you have ads, fine, but i still have the option to use adblock. And lets be honest, their work isn't the work of an engineer or a doctor, so if you think i'm about to sympathize with someone who wants to shove ads in other peoples faces in a means to get paid, then you sir/mam are speaking to the wrong person.

 

[KissVibes]

I remember the days when making videos for YouTube was a hobby and not a job. What a time to be alive back then.

Huh.

Why isn't it better to be paid to do what you enjoy?

 

[REMAINSILLY]

Huh.

Why isn't it better to be paid to do what you enjoy?

I just miss the days when people made videos for fun, before it was a job and people (both creator and viewer) would complain about making money off them.

 

[icespide]

if the only way you can sustain your business is to pester and annoy your customers with ads, maybe your business doesn't deserve to survive

 

[REMAINSILLY]

if the only way you can sustain your business is to pester and annoy your customers with ads, maybe your business doesn't deserve to survive

Welcome to game journalism of today.

 

[DedValve]

I just miss the days when people made videos for fun, before it was a job and people (both creator and viewer) would complain about making money off them.

Except these people still do it for fun since you certainly don't go to YouTube with the intent to make money and be successful enough to live comfortably. There are other, more secure means of doing that.

 

[Rikkun]

I just miss the days when people made videos for fun, before it was a job and people (both creator and viewer) would complain about making money off them.

Well, the quality is way better if the person doing videos is able to buy some good equipment. I mean, GOOGLE puts ADS on YOUTUBE, how can GameTrailers be without?

if the only way you can sustain your business is to pester and annoy your customers with ads, maybe your business doesn't deserve to survive

Customers? Would you be ok with every website to have a paid subscription?

 

[icespide]

Well, the quality is way better if the person doing videos is able to buy some good equipment. I mean, GOOGLE puts ADS on YOUTUBE, how can GameTrailers be without?

Customers? Would you be ok with every website to have a paid subscription?

yes. if it's a site I enjoy, I'd rather directly pay them money instead of watch ads

 

[Rikkun]

yes. if it's a site I enjoy, I'd rather directly pay them money then watch ads

Ok, so you'd pay... say 10$ a year? For one site. Do you check only that one? Do you sub to 4-5 sites? Maybe a couple for sports coverage? Are you willing to pay that much when you could just wait ten seconds for an ad to go away?

 

[icespide]

Ok, so you'd pay... say 10$ a year? For one site. Do you check only that one? Do you sub to 4-5 sites? Maybe a couple for sports coverage? Are you willing to pay that much when you could just wait ten seconds for an ad to go away?

I'd have absolutely no issue paying at least $10 a year per each site that I frequent each day.

fuck that make it $10 a month and I'd still be okay with it

 

[Rikkun]

I'd have absolutely no issue paying at least $10 a year per each site that I frequent each day.

fuck that make it $10 a month and I'd still be okay with it

I think you and I have very different incomes.

I'm ok with ads as long as they don't bring malware or are badly placed (getting 3 identical ads on twitch one after another makes me want to punch someone)

 

[icespide]

I think you and I have very different incomes.

I'm ok with ads as long as they don't bring malware or are badly placed (getting 3 identical ads on twitch one after another makes me want to punch someone)

besides the point of what I'm willing to spend though, my main point is that if getting paid directly from your viewers doesn't sustain you, and if you have to turn to ads to sustain yourself and enough of your viewers block them and that prevents you from being sustainable then this should tell you something...

trying to guilt people over using adblock is frankly, bullshit

 

[On Demand]

Is this the reason why i see advertisements, for stuff i recently viewed, on the side and top of websites i visit?

 

[REMAINSILLY]

Except these people still do it for fun since you certainly don't go to YouTube with the intent to make money and be successful enough to live comfortably. There are other, more secure means of doing that.

But then they get mad if they DON'T get paid and complain about how it takes money to make videos even though they had made videos years before they started making money off of them.

I don't know, YouTubers give off an aura of entitlement to me.

 

[-Cwalat-]

besides the point of what I'm willing to spend though, my main point is that if getting paid directly from your viewers doesn't sustain you, and if you have to turn to ads to sustain yourself and enough of your viewers block them and that prevents you from being sustainable then this should tell you something...

trying to guilt people over using adblock is frankly, bullshit

This^

 

[balgajo]

So, again, the culprit for the flawed business is the consumer.

 

[Ripenen]

I'd have absolutely no issue paying at least $10 a year per each site that I frequent each day.

fuck that make it $10 a month and I'd still be okay with it

Front page takeovers like the one in that IGN gif can cost half a million dollars. Depending on the duration of the campaign they can run those every few days. You realize how many subscribers IGN would need at $10 a month to match that? That's just for the front page ads.

 

[Principate]

So, again, the culprit for the flawed business is the consumer.

Clearly we're all pirates because many advertisers are attempting to be as obnoxious as possible.

 

[icespide]

Front page takeovers like the one in that IGN gif can cost half a million dollars. Depending on the duration of the campaign they can run those every few days. You realize how many subscribers IGN would need at $10 a month to match that? That's just for the front page ads.

then maybe we don't need IGN? if it can't sustain itself why should it exist

 

[Principate]

Front page takeovers like the one in that IGN gif can cost half a million dollars. Depending on the duration of the campaign they can run those every few days. You realize how many subscribers IGN would need at $10 a month to match that? That's just for the front page ads.

Your using the biggest example and comparing it to the entire industry.

Besides your also missing the point. People wouldn't even care about adblock if ads weren't so obnoxious. The only people advertisers have to blame and the websites that allow such obnoxious advertisements are themselves.

You reap precisely what you sow. Of course there's people that would use it anyway but those are generally I would imagine because unlike buying media visiting a website doesn't cost you anything.

Of course as with all things greed eventually screws up a good thing.

 

[Acheteedo]

I never really visit IGN but I decided to this time to see what the ads were like:

Yeah, this is the exact sort of thing I normally try to block out.

What the actual fuck. Yeah if your ads are any more obnoxious than Neogaf, Reddit, or Google then you're getting blocked, guilt free. Gametrailers is a big offender.

 

[REMAINSILLY]

I never really visit IGN but I decided to this time to see what the ads were like:

Yeah, this is the exact sort of thing I normally try to block out.

Is... is this real life?

 

[StayDead]

It takes time, effort, equipment, and money to product it. It costs you nothing either way.

But here's the thing. When you sit through an ad you are participating in one of the best deals in the century.

You get free content.
The person creating it gets paid.
It costs money for a MULTIBILLION dollar company to produce, and show that ad. That money goes into the hands of the person who created the content you consumed.
.

Adverts are only free if your time is worthless no?

 

[The Real Abed]

I tried to load up IGN and it didn't give me that ad. I was sad. Also now feel dirty for visiting IGN.

And what the fuck is Ronin? Apparently a movie I have no interest in either away and have no interest in trying to find out or watch a trailer for anyway. Or is it a game? No idea.

 

[Jedi2016]

The cynic in me says one day the advertisers will legislate to ban adblock. I have no doubt they are morally contemptible enough to try.

And don't forget stupid. Adblock is just the simplest, easiest way to do it via a browser add-on.. it's far from the only method. Even if they were successful, it would be about as effective as trying to take down Pirate Bay. There are plenty of other ways of doing it, some of which don't require any software at all.

 

[Vodh]

I tried to load up IGN and it didn't give me that ad. I was sad. Also now feel dirty for visiting IGN.

And what the fuck is Ronin? Apparently a movie I have no interest in either away and have no interest in trying to find out or watch a trailer for anyway. Or is it a game? No idea.

47 Ronin is a cheesy samurai flick that manages to walk the thin line between mediocrity and cheesiness that would make it actually good (if stupid). The end result is just bad and leaves a sad aftertaste of a wasted opportunity.

 

[TheContact]

Am I really a douchebag in Pachter's eyes for fast forwarding through commercials on my DVR?

 

[DyslexicAlucard]

Adverts are only free if your time is worthless no?

Also, it's "like Robin Hood" only if Robin spends 30 seconds every time you see him telling you how great King Richard is -- and then gets pissed off if you plug your ears because you're sick of hearing it.

 

[The Real Abed]

47 Ronin is a cheesy samurai flick that manages to walk the thin line between mediocrity and cheesiness that would make it actually good (if stupid). The end result is just bad and leaves a sad aftertaste of a wasted opportunity.

Sounds like a Rotten Tomatoes user review.

 

[criesofthepast]

I've never clicked an ad on GAF. They are so barely noticeable I can't imagine why anyone would even spend the energy it takes to block them.

 

[Htown]

Am I really a douchebag in Pachter's eyes for fast forwarding through commercials on my DVR?

You filthy content thief.

 

[Aquamarine]

Am I really a douchebag in Pachter's eyes for fast forwarding through commercials on my DVR?

Didn't you know you are literally stealing?

 

[MichaelFassbender]

I just miss the days when people made videos for fun, before it was a job and people (both creator and viewer) would complain about making money off them.

Me too! What fun we had.

But as with all things, time and tide give way to the pirates of monetization, and then their cries of "More! More!" It's never enough.

 

[Yagharek]

That IGN splash page ad apocalypse gives me flashbacks to 1999 - 2001 era internet. Not that ads were as high-performance as that, but they were just as obnoxious with that flashing pause between animations (eg wolfenstein).

Fuck any company that does that and they can fuck off if they think those ads will sway a sale. Hell, I was half inclined to get 47 ronin a little while back but I think I wont even bother now.

Also maybe Pachter can and should get an original name for his show. Pach Attack is obviously inspired by Namco's work in the 1980s. He's getting a free lunch there.

 

[Garcia]

I never really visit IGN but I decided to this time to see what the ads were like:

Yeah, this is the exact sort of thing I normally try to block out.

Holy crap.

 

[Laconic]

47 Ronin is a cheesy samurai flick that manages to walk the thin line between mediocrity and cheesiness that would make it actually good (if stupid). The end result is just bad and leaves a sad aftertaste of a wasted opportunity.

Woah.

.

 

[boogie2988]

I remember the days when making videos for YouTube was a hobby and not a job. What a time to be alive back then.

there are tons of people doing that, unfortunately their videos are much worse than mine (which arent very good) and makes the stuff that people like
RoosterTeeth
TotalBiscuit
JonTron
CaptainSparkelz
Markkipler
<your favorite daily producer here>

If all of these guys had to go back to 40 hours a week jobs, chances are their amount and quality of content would lapse.

Just sayin

 

[DyslexicAlucard]

there are tons of people doing that, unfortunately their videos are much worse than mine (which arent very good) and makes the stuff that people like
RoosterTeeth
TotalBiscuit
JonTron
CaptainSparkelz
Markkipler
<your favorite daily producer here>

If all of these guys had to go back to 40 hours a week jobs, chances are their amount and quality of content would lapse.

Just sayin

I love you as a content maker, Boogie, but there are tons of people doing it for free -- or damn near -- who are just as good (if not better) than you.

For instance, I doubt people like GameSack or LazyGameReviews make a ton of money, but I'd put their content against anybody's.

 

[iMax]

there are tons of people doing that, unfortunately their videos are much worse than mine (which arent very good) and makes the stuff that people like
RoosterTeeth
TotalBiscuit
JonTron
CaptainSparkelz
Markkipler
<your favorite daily producer here>

If all of these guys had to go back to 40 hours a week jobs, chances are their amount and quality of content would lapse.

Just sayin

Respectfully disagree.

 

[boogie2988]

I love you as a content maker, Boogie, but there are tons of people doing it for free -- or damn near -- who are just as good (if not better) than you.

For instance, I doubt people like GameSack or LazyGameReviews make a ton of money, but I'd put their content against anybody's.

I checked out both guys and you are right, they're doing good work

but in all fairness LazGameReviews is making enough to live off of, based on his traffic. so not a great example.

GameSack guys are probably only clocking 1k a month so its a perfect example and I adore their stuff! but then again, check out their upload ratio. its weekly. it'd be quite more often one would imagine if they werent also holding down jobs.

 

[boogie2988]

Respectfully disagree.

Yeah, I'm sorry if that sounded like an asshole. I guess I was being an asshole. I'm not entirely sure what I meant to type that but that's generally not me.

my apologies to any content producers who felt shitty for that. it was a shitty thing to say and I was being an asshole. <3

 

[iMax]

Yeah, I'm sorry if that sounded like an asshole. I guess I was being an asshole. I'm not entirely sure what I meant to type that but that's generally not me.

my apologies to any content producers who felt shitty for that. it was a shitty thing to say and I was being an asshole. <3

<3

 

[Ataru]

I've never clicked an ad on GAF. They are so barely noticeable I can't imagine why anyone would even spend the energy it takes to block them.

There is a new Target ad showing up here that pops out when you move your mouse anywhere near it... and it's actually preventing me from using the drop down menu on the upper right corner of the page.

So yeah, I can see why someone might want to block that. In fairness though, that's the only obstructive ad I've seen here, and you can generally hit refresh a few times to make it go away.

 

[REMAINSILLY]

there are tons of people doing that, unfortunately their videos are much worse than mine (which arent very good) and makes the stuff that people like
RoosterTeeth
TotalBiscuit
JonTron
CaptainSparkelz
Markkipler
<your favorite daily producer here>

If all of these guys had to go back to 40 hours a week jobs, chances are their amount and quality of content would lapse.

Just sayin

I mean, that's fine with me. I don't really watch YouTube gaming "shows" anyway, especially Let's Plays. The only thing video game related I watch on YouTube are griefing videos, and they definitely don't ask for money in return.

 

[vgamer1]

I'd have absolutely no issue paying at least $10 a year per each site that I frequent each day.

fuck that make it $10 a month and I'd still be okay with it

I pay giantbomb monthly for content that I like, so yeah, I would totally pay up as well.

 

[Jzero]

I never really visit IGN but I decided to this time to see what the ads were like:

Yeah, this is the exact sort of thing I normally try to block out.

It's not that much different than this, although gaf doesn't look as shitty.

 

[mujun]

I got an ad that played music without me doing anything (I might have moved the mouse pointer over it, though) to it on GAF this morning.