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nerds tend to realize the difference between versioning and decimals
WWDC 2014 Announced: June 2nd-6th 2014
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nerds tend to realize the difference between versioning and decimals
Did we get sales numbers for the Surface 2? Hard to even use the Surface 1 as justification considering how limited it's deployment was in general because they decided to not to open it up to all retailers.
The market is real, and it's also clearly the future of computing: combining productivity products with the option of mobile/simpler interfaces for simpler tasks. And with the new Surface already being deployed in multiple corporations, I would say there is potential. You see a lot of manufacturers pushing for this, and it's definitely attractive to who it is targeted towards.
EDIT: After some quick googling, it appears the Surface division is doing pretty damn well.
NYCmetsfan
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When does the iPhone get announced?
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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No, they're the ones most stubborn about accepting it. They know the difference, they just don't like it.
The Real Abed
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September... probably... well, definitely, but maybe probably. I dunno. September.
I think it's more that these people think OS X is "old" and "outdated" and needs to be replaced with something more modern, even though OS X IS the most modern OS there is. Even Windows 8 isn't as modern. They just want change and think that 10.10 warrants a jump to a new OS architecture, which it doesn't. Let them get pissy. There's no reason for a new architecture. OS X can't get anymore modern than it is.
What they want however is a new UI, or UI overhaul. Which is what we're getting. A name change we don't need. It's an arbitrary thing and doesn't need to be done. 10.10 will be fine enough without having to be named OS XI.
Ok, topic is almost all set to go up. Just need to tweak it a bit. Will try and have it up tomorrow/ friday.
NYCmetsfan
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Ugh, I need a new phone and I want to see what apple offers before making the choice.
Right.
Wrong.
'They' are design/usability nerds. They know the difference but they expect their older relatives/the mass market might find it confusing. They've spent the past decade laughing at Microsoft's mistakes with naming products and are concerned Apple might make a misstep. A name change when appropriate is the seemingly arbitrary little detail that Apple usually takes pains to get right. That's what Apple's reputation is built on anyway.
badcrumble
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If iOS finally gets a FilePicker/non-top-heavy filesystem it'll be great but I appreciate that that involves solving some security/usability issues.
i know this is an old post, but what's the point?
fyzm7357
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I would LOVE for this to happen!
The Real Abed
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So what do you want? You want them to change the name just because? The X stands for Unix. It's the Mac OS now. It's no longer associated with a version number. And the typical version naming system died the day Google started releasing new whole numbers every 6 months. We don't need an XI. Nor do we need an 11.0. Unless some brand new architecture comes along. But it doesn't need to. Because OS X is already damn perfect as it is foundation-wise. It can easily be built upon without needing a whole rewrite. If they ever called it "Eleven" then it'd be purely branding just to shut people the hell up.
Begin possibly unrelated rant so don't take it personally if it isn't relevant to what you're talking about, it's just a stream of consciousness:
They've laughed at Microsoft for years because unlike Apple, they refuse to dump a lot of old legacy stuff in order to keep corporations and crusty old users from complaining that their old 20 year old software and hardware doesn't work anymore. Thankfully Apple has handled these transitions so well numerous times. Sure there's still complainers but they are just whiners and most of them eventually just find new software/hardware, buy a new machine, switch to Windows or just stick with what they have. The rest can complain all they want. I'd rather Apple move on and push technology forward unlike Microsoft and PC makers who still put clunky legacy ports on many of their machines. Remember how long it took for the floppy to die? And has it even completely died yet? It's been 16 years. I've seen new PCs with VGA ports on them. VGA. Instead of something modern like DVI. Why? Because a lot of users are still clinging to their older monitors and can't be arsed to buy an adapter if needed so just keep the old port, why not. Note: The opinions expressed by The Real Abed do not represent the opinions of a typical PC/Mac user. This is a paid advertisement. Quality guaranteed or your money back.
'They' not me. I don't care much either way.
We're talking about software. And while Apple has popularized high end hardware over the past decade, their software foundations have barely changed still based on NextStep, WIMP, iOS app icons. Apple is very slow to do software changes (heck they haven't even improved the keyboard since iPhone OS 1.0. Microsoft and Google have made more risky radical improvements to their respective platforms in the past few years
The Real Abed
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NeXTStep and WIMP are all I want in a desktop OS. I'd hate if Apple decided Microsoft was doing the right thing and tried to shoehorn actual iOS functionality into the OS instead of gradually implementing features that make sense and still work on a desktop OS like they should. Like Notification Center and LaunchPad.
As for the iOS keyboard, the one thing I'd love to see is the Android-like list of word options that appears above the keyboard as you type. All we get is occasional single option auto-completions or corrections. The rest of the keyboard I have no problem with.
What risky changes have Google and Microsoft made? Besides shoehorning a touch interface into Windows in a time when not every PC has a touchscreen. (Microsoft) Or releasing an entire platform based on a web browser and nothing else with nothing at all related to the other OS platform they already have. (Google) Both of which I believe are struggling pretty hard relatively.
As for the iOS keyboard, the one thing I'd love to see is the Android-like list of word options that appears above the keyboard as you type. All we get is occasional single option auto-completions or corrections. The rest of the keyboard I have no problem with.
What risky changes have Google and Microsoft made? Besides shoehorning a touch interface into Windows in a time when not every PC has a touchscreen. (Microsoft) Or releasing an entire platform based on a web browser and nothing else with nothing at all related to the other OS platform they already have. (Google) Both of which I believe are struggling pretty hard relatively.
They do have a pretty good predictive selection system in place for some keyboards, like the Chinese keyboard (which evolved from something that initially looked like the current English prediction system), so it's easy to put it in for English, if they wanted to.
LaunchPad is exactly what Apple should not bringing over from iOS: a useless icon grid. Mac OS X notification center is a horrible hidden away thing. I don't use it and many of the mainstream folks (in my experience) don't even know it exists.
And huh?! Windows does have a "Notification Center and LaunchPad". It's the Metro Start Screen and Live Tiles are an innovative UI that Microsoft introduced.
There was actually some half finished code for the auto predictive found in iOS5 iirc. Anyway swiping keyboards (and some form of quick cursor control) are huge improvements over the iOS keyboard. Whether you appreciate them or not, mobile keyboards have been evolving but Apple's iOS keyboard hasn't.
Microsoft introduced a whole new design language in Metro (responsible in part for Apple's iOS7 aesthetic change). Google revamped their OS with Android 4.x and introduced Google Now. Moreover both Microsoft and Google are supposedly bringing even more radical changes, metro apps to the desktop and modular actions replacing the app paradigm respectively, while Apple kept the much hyped iOS7 redesign to an aesthetic change...
Kinda off topic but:
While i prefer Apple approach of letting die old software/hardware to push things forward
i find amazing that exist a very valid option (Windows) that manages to have compatibility to all the old stuff.
Option of choosing what you see fit is the best thing ever.
Mr. Wonderful
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Huh. That's an interesting observation that I've never had a chance to observe for myself yet. I use Notification Center in OS X all the time, but I'm not exactly a mainstream user.
On the other hand, there have always been a lot of OS X features that mainstream users selectively haven't used over the years, and I always find it surprising how many different set ups mainstream users have using built-in functionality in OS X. The use or lack there of of Spaces and Hot Corners, for example.
The Real Abed
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I use both features extensively. Especially LaunchPad. So much better than a folder in your Dock. And NC may have problems but it's very useful for me. Very useful. I sometimes feel like I'm the only one who uses OS X's new features instead of complaining that they're useless. I even use Fullscreen ALL THE TIME but keep hearing people talk about how they prefer windows all over one screen. I never used multiple desktops when they were called Screens, and nor do I use multiple Desktop screens, but I put every app I can in Fullscreen. I can't live without it. How is a grid of application icons "useless"? Can you not click them? Do they not launch the app when you do? Seems to me this is full of use. I dumped DragThing the day they implemented it after having faithfully used it for 10 years. That's how useful it is to me. All these iOS features that Apple has put in OS X have completely enhanced my workflow. I've even used the Maps app once or twice to plan a route. Also, Emoji support is 😄😎😈👍👏❤️💋💣
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Actually the only features I don't really use are:
- Fullscreen Finder windows because they're very poorly implemented. And I've always fucking hated the sidebar requirement and how it always comes back when I don't want it and won't show up when I do. I miss OS 9's Finder.
- Finder Tabs, I thought maybe I'd love them but once again like the FS option and tags below, they're poorly implemented.
- Finder Tags for the most part, maybe I'm just so used to colored 1-7 rainbow colors. Also I hate that I can't choose a custom color for tags. Why? WTF? And they display poorly in the Finder with tiny circle icons that don't tell you what they are if you happen to have tags that have the same color. Maybe they can fix them with some work, but for now, eh.
I never said they didn't. What are you on about, silly?
The Real Abed
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I use Notification Center with Growl and Hardware Growler. It's so fucking useful. Same with everything else. I love it so much.
Same with LaunchPad. I have it all set up how I like it. All my apps on one page with a few folders for other stuff. Plus, like Spotlight I can open it and start typing if I need to get an app super quickly.
Same with LaunchPad. I have it all set up how I like it. All my apps on one page with a few folders for other stuff. Plus, like Spotlight I can open it and start typing if I need to get an app super quickly.
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Launchpad is useless, IMO. But Notification Center is great, especially on the laptops... a single swipe from the right and I can see all my iMessages, emails, and can quickly post to FB or Twitter. I like it.
That said, OSX is in desperate need of a visual overhaul, which I've said before. If only just for cohesion amongst all of their devices.
That said, OSX is in desperate need of a visual overhaul, which I've said before. If only just for cohesion amongst all of their devices.
show me your skeleton
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'write the code. change the world' huh?
The Real Abed
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All you people who find LaunchPad useless, are you using Magic Trackpads or mice? Because it's indispensable on my MTP with the pinch gesture and ability to type a name, press an arrow key or mouse to the icon I want.
It's a hell of a lot more convenient than an Apps folder in the Dock.
Though you can also just use Spotlight or if you want, Alfred or whatever it's called. I prefer LaunchPad McQuack.
It's a hell of a lot more convenient than an Apps folder in the Dock.
Though you can also just use Spotlight or if you want, Alfred or whatever it's called. I prefer LaunchPad McQuack.
They see the notifications alert or see the badge on the Mail icon in dock or, more likely, they use the mail app on their phone. The actual Mac OS X notification center itself is rarely used (and if they somehow stumbled upon it, they'll find confusing alerts still stuck there from weeks ago).
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
CMD+Spacebar for launchpad all day everyday. It's how I open pretty much every single thing on my MBP outside of Safari when I first wake it.
Where's that new thread?!
Apple confirms WWDC 2014 keynote to be held Monday, June 2nd at 10 AM PT; new hardware likely | 9to5Mac (May 21st)
The previous rumor for Retina MBA said "late 2014", and Intel's chips have been confirmed delayed, so I don't think it's the most likely. Which leaves Apple TVs, iWatches and Mac mini. Apple doesn't care about mac minis enough to announce it at wwdc and any new Apple TV would be around the same time as a new iOS release imo. So iWatches (unveiled at WWDC and released in the Fall)?
Apple confirms WWDC 2014 keynote to be held Monday, June 2nd at 10 AM PT; new hardware likely | 9to5Mac (May 21st)
The previous rumor for Retina MBA said "late 2014", and Intel's chips have been confirmed delayed, so I don't think it's the most likely. Which leaves Apple TVs, iWatches and Mac mini. Apple doesn't care about mac minis enough to announce it at wwdc and any new Apple TV would be around the same time as a new iOS release imo. So iWatches (unveiled at WWDC and released in the Fall)?
I can see them showing off the iWatch like the iPhone before sending it off to get certifications etc so it would leak. Also gonna be a problem showing healthbook without hardware that takes advantage of it.
Notification Centre would be 100x more useful if there were some way to, you know, notify you of missed notifications. Like the icon changing, or something.
I could have 50 missed notifications, and there's no way to know without swiping left.
The fix for it is such a no-brainer that there must be a patent blocking it.
Yup. I don't think I know anyone who actually uses LaunchPad. But whatever, it doesn't bug me, it's not like Apple shoves it in your face.
I could have 50 missed notifications, and there's no way to know without swiping left.
The fix for it is such a no-brainer that there must be a patent blocking it.
Yup. I don't think I know anyone who actually uses LaunchPad. But whatever, it doesn't bug me, it's not like Apple shoves it in your face.
badcrumble
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I could see an Apple TV update - if it includes a new input method - getting announced early if it means an ATV App Store and Apple TV iOS development getting opened up to developers at large like the iPhone/iPad. Devs will need a several-month head start to have their apps ready for release, after all.
And seriously, the Apple TV needs that Kinect-esque gesture/voice control stuff soon. I'm ready to get rid of my remote.
That's what I'm hoping for as well.
badcrumble
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I'm sure it does, but it might end up waiting for Broadwell, no?
Will be up in a few minutes The Real Abed
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I'm betting new hardware will be AppleTV. (A platform that could be for developers if they just OPENED IT UP TO DEVELOPERS LIKE EVERY OTHER THING THEY SELL!)
I'm hoping it's either that or a new Mac mini, even if Broadwell isn't ready. Mostly the former. The next AppleTV update will give me the information I need to decide whether to purchase an ATV or a Roku. (Once the Plex app inevitably comes out for it.)
I'm hoping it's either that or a new Mac mini, even if Broadwell isn't ready. Mostly the former. The next AppleTV update will give me the information I need to decide whether to purchase an ATV or a Roku. (Once the Plex app inevitably comes out for it.)
Ok, finally up:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=113046358
Still tweaking it a tiny bit though.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=113046358
Still tweaking it a tiny bit though.
Mr. Wonderful
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Yup. AirPlay the AppleTV Menu to my iPhone device and let me interact with it through touch and voice control. Screw the remote and the Remote App.
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