Seven Dead, Several Hospitalized in Isla Vista Mass Shooting
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CountAntonius
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The fucked up part of people with that mentality is people reinforce their hatred of everyone. They call you a creep and a weirdo and just keep fueling these delusions and hatred. People really need to be more conscious of their treatment of people. Regardless what you think they need to hear some words are just triggers and even if these people are strange telling them that over and over is hardly constructive. it just reaffirms their status as an outcast.
All of this seems to stem from self hatred and the feeling of inferiority. All the shit he says about himself he doesn't even believe. This is him desperately trying to make excuses for his own feelings of failure and not being able to be that person who lights up the room. He took it to an extreme level.
All of this seems to stem from self hatred and the feeling of inferiority. All the shit he says about himself he doesn't even believe. This is him desperately trying to make excuses for his own feelings of failure and not being able to be that person who lights up the room. He took it to an extreme level.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Reminds me of the infamous TVTropes Troper Tale...
Some Troper said:
Geeeze, I could see this being the same guy.
Eighty Deuce
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three bodies in his apartment whoa
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The guy was so far gone when it came to his madness. There's no mention I've seen yet of him actually trying to just talk to a girl normally and go from there.
Damn, seems those people were genuinely trying to help him after his stumble and his warped sense of pride couldn't handle it.
Halcyon
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So his plan involved killing his roommates via stabbing. Luring more people in and killing them/torturing them. Cutting off their heads. Killing his little brother and step mom. Shooting up a sorority. Running over and shooting people in a suv. Throwing the heads out on the street. Then getting in a shootout with the cops. And then shooting himself in the head.
Fucking Christ. How much of this happened?
Fucking Christ. How much of this happened?
CHEEZMO
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Parody is dead.
Yeah, news media gets all sorts of criticism, but in the internet age it's impossible to keep it offline. Unfortunately it's wishful thinking that mass murders should be ignored and trivialized.
Videos and manifestos are standard procedures for psychopaths nowadays. It's cringeworthy to think these guys get enjoyment from the attention they know they're going to get.
Dabookerman
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The end bit is.. well.
None. Just went as far as the drive bys. Please tell me a cop stopped him and not his own gun.
Felt "starvation" at age 14 regarding sex, was incredibly jealous over his friends talking about sex or having sex. Was bullied Sophomore year, was taken out of the school. Went to new school, declared all 100 students of this school "slobs" except for a few people. Would drown his sorrow with WoW, was extremely embarrassed that he had to take the bus.
Zeyphersan
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Not going to say anything until confirmation
-MD-
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Damn, he had good taste in games.
StopMakingSense
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The end bit is.. well.
Christ.
I am not sure I exactly follow what you are saying. Could you clarify?
Dabookerman
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Yeah. He isn't the only guy with that attitude.
GalacticaN7
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Someone needed to get this kid a prostitute. Good lord, one lay and maybe this all could have been avoided. 
Obviously he was hung up on sex most of all, so maybe it wouldn't have made any difference, but yeah.
Obviously he was hung up on sex most of all, so maybe it wouldn't have made any difference, but yeah.
PairOfFilthySocks
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Jaysus, that video. A truly broken human being.
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Which is fucking terrifying.
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He sounds a bit like Breivik, with his detailed evil plans.
What a damaged person. Writing a manifesto which is a year by year recounting of his life, as if anyone gives a shit. I pity his parents - they seem to have been a normative family and were aware of the problems that he has had. I really hope he didn't kill his little brother like he planned... it's just terrible.
They pulled three bodies out of his apartment. Went further than the drive-by's I'm afraid.
Hate how the lawyer kept referring to him as a 'kid', as if to generate sympathy.
The end bit is.. well.
Fucking wow. What a psycho.
CountAntonius
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Someone needed to get this kid a prostitute. Good lord, one lay and maybe this all could have been avoided.
Obviously he was hung up on sex most of all, so maybe it wouldn't have made any difference, but yeah.
Way more complicated then getting laid.
We knew that bit already from the news posted earlier.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27561127
if he had just played day of defeat this would have never happened
Mammoth Jones
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Someone needed to get this kid a prostitute. Good lord, one lay and maybe this all could have been avoided.
Obviously he was hung up on sex most of all, so maybe it wouldn't have made any difference, but yeah.
He didn't want the sex alone. He wanted the validation that went along with having an attractive white woman with blonde hair and blue eyes (his standard, not mine...) on his arm. He was straight up jealous at OTHER people that could obtain what he apparently couldn't.
He would have view a prostitute as "beneath him" despite the reality of the opposite.
Zeyphersan
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Wait they pulled bodies out of his apartment?
Yeah, I think my friend lives in the same complex. He was texting me earlier about the FBI being in the complex all day and pulling bodies out of the apartment across the hall
edit: Just confirmed with him, he talked to some of the news stations. He lives right across from the shooter's apartment
Yeah, I think my friend lives in the same complex. He was texting me earlier about the FBI being in the complex all day and pulling bodies out of the apartment across the hall
edit: Just confirmed with him, he talked to some of the news stations. He lives right across from the shooter's apartment
Mortimer Brewster
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The end bit is.. well.
Pure unadulterated evil.
Holy fucking shit.
I don't see the comparison.
JJDinomite
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Piece of shit parents
At age 16, got a Xbox 360 for Halo 3, got Halo 3 loved it, loved the limited edition Mountain Dew that was released alongside Halo 3, Game Fuel. Father had financial setbacks, could't pay child support anymore. Went to the 4th Indiana Jones movie premiere, was disappointed. Would play WoW for 14 hours a day, leveled two new characters to level 70. Got a new laptop for his 17th birthday.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Yeah Bateman actually had sex.
This is insane. Was there ever a case where we could so immediately see the mind of a person like this (even if its filtered through his words)? In less than a day we had access to his videos and his voice and now we are getting his "memoir".
If I had watched those videos yesterday I would have thought they were a parody. How this guy that genuinely sounds like comic villain is allowed to roam free? Even after his parents turned him in.
This is disturbing.
Rest in peace to all the victims.
If I had watched those videos yesterday I would have thought they were a parody. How this guy that genuinely sounds like comic villain is allowed to roam free? Even after his parents turned him in.
This is disturbing.
Rest in peace to all the victims.
GalacticaN7
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You never know. In all his rants, being a virgin is the one thing that he can't seem to get past, a huge mental barrier for him. How he interacts and sees others because of his virginity. Getting that lay out of the way would have changed his mental outlook on the subject and perhaps led to less insecurity in the company of others who he was hung up on.
But obviously his mental condition had other triggers, so who knows.
Eighty Deuce
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This dude posted everywhere including 4chan, him having a neogaf account wouldn't surprise me. It looks like he posted his manifesto on r9k two years ago.
Halcyon
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They pulled bodies from his house and the news is saying he rammed people with the cars.
If he did what he said he was going to do to the people at the house in the manifesto...
ConsumerSquare
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This event will hopefully change the tone of Girl-Age threads from here on out. Online communities need to look closely at this and consider how they respond to these types of individuals.
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Mammoth Jones
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How is this their fault? This dude was 22. Their job was done.
They saw his videos on youtube and tried to go to the cops.
It might be hard to get through to some people, but I really believe what I was implying to be the honest answer for most people. I'm not absolutely sure it would have absolutely helped him (he might have some condition that might explain it better than my guesses), but if you can for a moment entertain desire and suffering. Many people suffer when they desire, no matter what it is that they want. In our culture, it's always about the next goodie, getting this, doing that, so on and so forth. However, if you really desire or imagine something and it turns to not be present to you, it is in that desire and want that creates your sorrows and frustrations.
The problem with desire pertains to culture, and this is where I felt this man got lost in. Culture is all about desire, the need to fit in and belong. As such, social constructions are made and stereotypes are raised that if one does X, they're an adequate member of functioning society. If they do not, they are somehow inferior, a lacking uh oh. The problem we have with sexuality and desire in our culture is often perpetuated in the idea that one must have it, and if you don't you're some sort of fuck up. This is why people build up useless, unnecessary anxiety regarding sexual experiences, especially the first one, and why many who have engaged in sex say it's not even a big deal; they have seen through the overemphasis as largely ephemeral. The problem starts firstly with a societal overemphasis that it's not simply normal to desire sex, but that one must also have it. That must becomes a box for many to check, and like I was eluding to before, the fact it is an unchecked box can make people feel absolutely inferior, to be "lacking" somehow. This man is a perfect reference to this; he has material wealth and more experiences with the world and Hollywood than most people on GAF, yet because he never smanged someone, he was somehow the most emptiest person on the planet. He impoverished what things he may have ever had with the things he wanted.
I did not say that sex is a social construct, but the idea that he must have it, especially at his age, is indeed a social construct. It's a stereotype, an idea. And the truth is not everyone fits into that mold, which only gives credence that it's an idea and not an objective fact. The problem with culture is the images we use to account and reference things are often frequently used as ideas that everyone fits those molds, and if you are an outlier, you are somehow strange or out there. You can see this a lot with racial stereotypes. His perception of sex became a problem because he felt he had to have it, which grew into resentment and outright hatred for others who had it. His suffering became his torment because of his desire.
A solution for him (again, assuming it was all on his extreme desire and not anything else) is a solution you can offer for many; chill out on the desiring. Be content with whatever it is you have in your life as it is, and if you want more, sure, want. But don't let that want be a noose that you will hang yourself by if you lack it, which this man seemingly did. If you continue to project what you desire over whatever it is you have in the present moment, you are in for one hard fucking life, for you will never, ever be satisfied.
If I have been enigmatic, please feel to pry about it. I do sincerely believe most suffering people go through is entirely cognitive and entirely self-made, all rooted in desire for something to be different, or to have something, and there's perhaps a chance that this man killed over it. It sounds very buddhistic, very zen, but I think it is also incredibly realistic to see in others. Why do you get angry in traffic? Because you expect there to be none.
EDIT: I also don't think him actually getting sex, after all he thought and twisted it in his mind would have helped. It sure as shit would not have met his own expectations, and in turn probably escalate his feelings to what would have happened anyway. It takes a lot to then start twisting people, skin tone, and socioeconomic status over an experience.
CountAntonius
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But it wasn't the virginity that was an issue it was why he was a virgin. It was what he felt about himself and the world around him.
It's sad for him and his victims but he deserves to be demonized as much as he deserved getting help because at the end of the day he killed people.
We do have a word and it's narcissism. If you want to split hair you can identify it as the destructive and/or sexual variation.
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