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[Devolution]

Jesus Christ what a sick fuck. He deserved more than a quick death. He needed to live out the rest of his pathetic existence behind bars. I promise this little shit wouldn't have remained a virgin for long. I have family and friends where he decided to "make his statement". Fuck him.

Fuck outta here with that shit god damnit.

 

[ponpo]

He shouldn't be famous at all, he should be forgotten about like the slime-ball piece of shit that he was.

If anyone should be remembered from this stupid tragedy, it's the victims, not the fuck-wad who committed it.

Sadly, the media doesn't see it that way since it won't get ratings.

"the media" usually reports on what people want to know about.

Why not blame all the people posting in this 1500+ post thread? Guys lock the thread and cease discussion so history forgets him!

 

[Chabbles]

I don't think he was actually diagnosed, nor was he involuntarily committed to a mental health hospital, nor was he convicted of a felony, nor was he at the time considered a threat to himself or others.

He was seeing several psychiatrists, what else is needed to show a person has some mental issues.

 

[orochi91]

That shit is single spaced. How did he write this?

Yea content aside, I'm pretty impressed. I would have double-spaced real quick.

 

[ElectricThunder]

Main thing I hope is that no folks come out of the woodwork to emulate or try to dwarf his terrible actions---even if I can't help but reckon this is one of those things that I'm surprised never happened in a big way prior to now all things considered given that creepy "movement" of sorts and the online platform he so sought after.

Dehumanizing folks, especially in the form of reducing women to ridiculous primitive stereotypes and whatnot, always bears a negative result in the end---this time of a most grisly and vile nature.

 

[quaere]

Because he was so full of himself (and shit) that he felt that they should (no, were obligated to) just come to him because he had money, dressed nice and drove a nice car.

What's really sad is in his own manifesto he tells a story about how his stepmother (I think) forced him to go up to some "cool kids" he was terrified of and ask if he could play with them. They welcomed him and he was pleasantly surprised by the outcome. Yet he never draws the connection and in his adult life his idea of giving the world a chance to accept him is going out and silently observing hoping women will fall all over him.

 

[dejay]

Yeah, I mean what does the ability for immediate wish fulfilment have to do with any of this?

Stupid kneejerkers.

Well, he did kill three people without one. There's also a guy on trial here in Australia for murdering 5 people with a "blunt, hammer like object".

I'm not saying that there shouldn't be tougher laws over there to control access to weapons though, but gun regulation is only a part of the battle. I'll point out that the UK has much tougher gun control than Australia, yet the homicide rate in the UK is higher.

 

[Philia]

Did the live stream confirm that the killer acted alone?

Because the dude is like 5'9 135 pounds and is slim but yet he STABBED 3 people successfully to death IN his apartment.

This is disturbing to me.

 

[Lé Blade Runner]

This is just horrible... What a sad, twisted mind that kid had. I am at a loss for words right now. Will get back to this thread later on.

My condolences to the families of the victims...

 

[Chabbles]

Your premise is flawed. You're basically assuming that people with violent mental health issues are allowed to own guns by default. As if society agreed that's the way it should be.

The real question is why is it extremely difficult to adjudicate those with violent fantasies and mental illness as such and get them hospitalized?

And the reason is that it's a very specific process to get someone ruled as incompetent in a court of law.

It's not about calling the police. It's about getting a judge to make that ruling.

Maybe a new law should come into place in the US, anyone who wants to own a gun needs to pass a psychological evaluation.

 

[Devolution]

Did the live stream confirm that the killer acted alone?

Because the dude is like 5'9 135 pounds and is slim but yet he STABBED 3 people successfully to death IN his apartment.

This is disturbing to me.

They didn't get into specifics. He could have drugged them or got them while they were asleep.

 

[The Henery]

Anyone else feel this is a watershed moment in certain aspects of internet culture? I read about this earlier today on a news website, immediately thought of 4chan and promptly went there to multiple threads about him on several different boards.

He seems to exemplify a twisted parody of the toxic brew of fedora tipping, alpha beta, manlet, inadequate male shaming that exists in certain pockets of the internet. It honestly sounds like satire until you realise he was serious.

 

[Arrowgigantic]

If anyone should be remembered from this stupid tragedy, it's the victims, not the fuck-wad who committed it.

I would not want anyone to know I was related to one of the people killed. The gun nuts really hate the families of the victims for daring to be affected by mass murder by firearm. Newtown families have been harrassed repeatedly.

 

[oatmeal]

Wow this escalated further from where I left it this morning.

That bit about torture was horrific.

Is there a link to a full manifesto?

 

[Halcyon]

I think the most chilling thing I'm getting from this is that he pretty much pulled off his plan. He had calculated it. Thought about it then did it.


He didn't hesitate after the reality of what he did to the victims in his house. He was so disconnected that doing that didn't wake him from the fantasy. He just kept on with the plan. He really didn't have anything but hatred and evil inside him.

 

[enzo_gt]

Did the live stream confirm that the killer acted alone?

Because the dude is like 5'9 135 pounds and is slim but yet he STABBED 3 people successfully to death IN his apartment.

This is disturbing to me.

Not sure if it relates to the actual act, but he was flashing the gun to someone at a stop light with someone else in the car, right? I wonder if they'll be a suspect for conspiracy or something.

 

[CharminUltra]

Geez, what a boring and corny document, I just couldn't force myself to finish it. If he was this boring in real life then no wonder girls didn't dig him.

It reminds me of this emo anime fanfic a friend wrote.

 

[Ambient80]

He was seeing several psychiatrists, what else is needed to show a person has some mental issues.

There's a medical and legal difference between "mental issues" and "a danger to himself or others." Someone with mild recurrent depression or mild OCD is not an active threat to society. Someone with fantasies of killing others etc are "a danger to himself or others," and thus are (usually involuntarily) institutionalized and thus firearms are confiscated.

Also, he could have been seeing thousands of psychiatrists, but if he wasn't telling them the whole story, what were they supposed to do?

 

[Philia]

They didn't get into specifics. He could have drugged them or got them while they were asleep.

Yeah.... man, that's just horrific. Some people can live from being stabbed over 100 times or stabbed in a head or back of the neck...

But fatally and thrice... is just astounding.

 

[Jayburner]

I think the most chilling thing I'm getting from this is that he pretty much pulled off his plan. He had calculated it. Thought about it then did it.


He didn't hesitate after the reality of what he did to the victims in his house. He was so disconnected that doing that didn't wake him from the fantasy. He just kept on with the plan. He really didn't have anything but hatred and evil inside him.

It is a sick twisted fantasy. There is going to be repercussions in the gaming community for sure.

 

[reptilescorpio]

Yea content aside, I'm pretty impressed. I would have double-spaced real quick.

Only the insane wouldn't double space that kind of thing.

 

[Zaph]

Did the live stream confirm that the killer acted alone?

Because the dude is like 5'9 135 pounds and is slim but yet he STABBED 3 people successfully to death IN his apartment.

This is disturbing to me.

Unfortunately it's very easy to stab someone. I currently live in London and knife crime is quite high.

The problem is, contrary to what you see in films, once someone is already in close quarters with a knife, it's very difficult to stop them from stabbing you even if you have a height and weight advantage.

 

[linkboy]

Maybe a new law should come into place in the US, anyone who wants to own a gun needs to pass a psychological evaluation.

Won't happen due to these spineless jack-asses.

They've got a lot of money, political backing and the support of a lot of people in the US.

You mention anything at the federal level in regards to guns and the NRA is spinning up their base in protest before the person bringing it up is even done talking about it.

 

[Proc]

Very disturbing. Not sure why he didn't try dating services like tinder or the like.

 

[BeauRoger]

This is very true, Every event of significance to him is delved into with an extreme, obsessive detail as he cites names of auxiliary individuals, and irrelevant happenings are elaborated upon. I intended to go through it, and analyse every part of it that I felt may be of interest to people (and annotating why I had picked it), but half way through Age 9 it's already appearing like a gargantuan task as I've 28 excerpts already and am barely a fraction of the way through. It's extremely distressing in how sad his perception of early events, typical or otherwise, is, and how large of an impact the smallest events that occured.

I know the later events are what's going to certainly be more attention grabbing, but here are some of the excerpts I've taken of things that I felt have given the greatest insight, in his early years, as to who he was, and as a demonstration of the level of obsession with his past that would be difficult to consider for anybody not reading it (they're mostly in chronological order; I'd intended to explain them, but he just goes into so much detail, meanders so much, that it's impossible): http://imgur.com/a/bqvNl. His mother being loving, dissatisfaction with his father, insecurity in his home environment, and his feelings of inadequacy are extremely frequent topics.

I think he does it in part to come of as some form of savant, to show of his "amazing memory". He did refer to it as such in the beginning. Its possible that a lot of those "memories" were afterthoughts that he came up with at the time of writing just to give that impression. The concept has been used so many times in movies and books to imply intelligence. He seems like the type that would like to show of that kind of persona and have the narcissistic need to make people in awe of him, and at the same time feel pity for him.

 

[dejay]

He was seeing several psychiatrists, what else is needed to show a person has some mental issues.

Lots of people see psychiatrists. We really shouldn't be stigmatising people for doing so.

Really though, the cops should have had the power to remove handguns from him when his parents made their concerns known and have his psychiatrist give an evaluation on why he should get them back, not the other way around.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Maybe a new law should come into place in the US, anyone who wants to own a gun needs to pass a psychological evaluation.

What does the eval check for? The way it currently works is somoene MUST be a threat to themselves or another. It's not enough they fails some obscure test.

Then a judge must make a decision to revoke their rights.

 

[Parch]

I hope for the sake of the families involved no other crazies will pull the false flag card again and start harassing them.

Yuck. Unfortunately you're probably right. There is a neverending cycle of gun debate/defence with every incident.

 

[ConsumerSquare]

I know the later events are what's going to certainly be more attention grabbing, but here are some of the excerpts I've taken of things that I felt have given the greatest insight, in his early years, as to who he was, and as a demonstration of the level of obsession with his past that would be difficult to consider for anybody not reading it (they're mostly in chronological order; I'd intended to explain them, but he just goes into so much detail, meanders so much, that it's impossible): http://imgur.com/a/bqvNl. His mother being loving, dissatisfaction with his father, insecurity in his home environment, and his feelings of inadequacy are extremely frequent topics.

"The first real friend I made in the United States was a girl named Maddy Humphreys."

Just googled Maddy Humphreys from Hidden Hills. Explains why he was obsessed with blondes.

 

[Chabbles]

There's a medical and legal difference between "mental issues" and "a danger to himself or others." Someone with mild recurrent depression or mild OCD is not an active threat to society. Someone with fantasies of killing others etc are "a danger to himself or others," and thus are (usually involuntarily) institutionalized and thus firearms are confiscated.

Also, he could have been seeing thousands of psychiatrists, but if he wasn't telling them the whole story, what were they supposed to do?

Back in april his own parents asked police to check his mental welfare, police said he was fine after some sort of interview.. at that point his weapons should of been confiscated.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Won't happen due to these spineless jack-asses.

They've got a lot of money, political backing and the support of a lot of people in the US.

You mention anything at the federal level in regards to guns and the NRA is spinning up their base in protest before the person bringing it up is even done talking about it.

Ugh, now it's the NRA-bashing talking point. Only took 16 pages.

Yes, it's their fault. Not the parents. Not the police. Not the 2 psychologist. Definitely not the scumbag himself.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

Very disturbing. Not sure why he didn't try dating services like tinder or the like.

mentally ill

when it came to reality he could not draw the dots. most other people in his situation would consider that but to him that was likely invisible

 

[enzo_gt]

What gets me is that he was witty enough to lure people into a situation where he can injure them fatally, but could not put the effort into picking up some game. He seemed tech savvy enough that he could wind up on fucking 4chan or somewhere or at least read one of a trillion articles online about how to improve your game.

To say his view on gender relations were distorted from the jump is an understatement.

 

[linkboy]

I would not want anyone to know I was related to one of the people killed. The gun nuts really hate the families of the victims for daring to be affected by mass murder by firearm. Newtown families have been harrassed repeatedly.

Since it's a public case, the names of the victims are going to come out. There's nothing you can do to prevent that.

People are going to find that information out.

The last thing that needs to happen is the shit-head who did this gets immortalized by people who agree with him and his motives and the media plays a major part in that by glorifying him like that.

 

[Philia]

What gets me is that he was witty enough to lure people into a situation where he can injure them fatally,

Its possible they were his housemates already. RIP to them.

 

[BeauRoger]

Ugh, now it's the NRA-bashing talking point. Only took 16 pages.

Yes, it's their fault. Not the parents. Not the police. Not the 2 psychologist. Definitely not the scumbag himself.

More than one party can be at fault, you know.

 

[Parch]

I think he does it in part to come of as some form of savant, to show of his "amazing memory". He did refer to it as such in the beginning. Its possible that a lot of those "memories" were afterthoughts that he came up with at the time of writing just to give that impression. The concept has been used so many times in movies and books to imply intelligence.

Concur. The psychologists will analyze this, but it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of it is nothing but fabricated bullshit.

 

[cheezcake]

Ugh, now it's the NRA-bashing talking point. Only took 16 pages.

Yes, it's their fault. Not the parents. Not the police. Not the 2 psychologist. Definitely not the scumbag himself.

We can't control the fact that people as twisted as this exist, we can (somewhat) control their access to firearms.

 

[Halcyon]

mentally ill

when it came to reality he could not draw the dots. most other people in his situation would consider that but to him that was likely invisible

Yea he wasn't going to be okay if he had a date. He fantasized about skinning people. Murdered people for real.

He was evil. He masked it well but he was disturbed.

 

[ISOM]

Ugh, now it's the NRA-bashing talking point. Only took 16 pages.

Yes, it's their fault. Not the parents. Not the police. Not the 2 psychologist. Definitely not the scumbag himself.

Good lord whenever these types of threads come about, gun enthusiast have to get so defensive as if people talk about more gun control means that people want to take away your guns or eliminate any sort of gun purchase in the future. Bashing the NRA is totally acceptable especially at times like this because the NRA opposes anything close to stricter gun control laws and they should be shamed for it.

 

[GodParticle]

That video was weird. The creepy laughing really put it over the top

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

Ugh, now it's the NRA-bashing talking point. Only took 16 pages.

Yes, it's their fault. Not the parents. Not the police. Not the 2 psychologist. Definitely not the scumbag himself.

Only took 16 pages for Mammoth Jones to rush to their defence too.

 

[Chabbles]

Lots of people see psychiatrists. We really shouldn't be stigmatising people for doing so.

Really though, the cops should have had the power to remove handguns from him when his parents made their concerns known and have his psychiatrist give an evaluation on why he should get them back, not the other way around.

Im not stigmatizing people who see psychiatrists. But the guy owned 3 handguns, saw multiple shrinks, and his own parents were worried about his mental health. signs were clearly obvious.

 

[WordAssassin]

Thanks Santa Barbara Police Department, your complete and total incompetence continues to astound me.

 

[linkboy]

Ugh, now it's the NRA-bashing talking point. Only took 16 pages.

Yes, it's their fault. Not the parents. Not the police. Not the 2 psychologist. Definitely not the scumbag himself.

Did I say it was the NRA's fault that this took place, no, I didn't.

It's a fact that if someone at the federal level proposed a bill that would make it harder for anyone to purchase a gun, the NRA would be opposed to it

Oh, and just to let you know, I'm don't hate guns. I grew up around them, I respect the hell out of them. I even somewhat enjoy shooting them. I just think that there should be stronger restrictions and regulations on who can own them and the NRA doesn't agree with me on that (since they think it violates the 2nd Amendment).

 

[Ambient80]

Back in april his own parents asked police to check his mental welfare, police said he was fine after some sort of interview.. at that point his weapons should of been confiscated.

Police said he was fine, so why take them? Take away someone's rights because someone else said something, even after authorities said he's ok?

Hind sight is 20/20. Look at each event as they happened. Police said he was ok at that point, therefore there was zero reason to take away his firearms. If they thought he was ok, then they didn't believe he was going to do something like this.

 

[cpp_is_king]

Of course the issue of gun control is going to come up every time there's a mass shooting. Anyone who thinks or expects otherwise needs to have their head examined.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

More than one party can be at fault, you know.

Actually I think it's ONLY one party at fault. The selfish egotistical gunman. He felt life should be served to him on a platter and decided to kill random people to "get even"...

People tried to help him and he lied at EVERY turn. He lied to his parents when they questioned him about the video, he lied when he saw 2 psychologists. He lied when the police came to him.

This is on him.

Good lord whenever these types of threads come about, gun enthusiast have to get so defensive as if people talk about more gun control means that people want to take away your guns or eliminate any sort of gun purchase in the future. Bashing the NRA is totally acceptable especially at times like this because the NRA opposes anything close to stricter gun control laws and they should be shamed for it.

This is where you and I disagree.

Only took 16 pages for Mammoth Jones to rush to their defence too.

I've been posting in this thread for a while now. Long before page 16.

 

[Aristion]

I wonder if he suffered from 'Affluenza'.

 

[Chabbles]

Police said he was fine, so why take them? Take away someone's rights because someone else said something, even after authorities said he's ok?

Hind sight is 20/20. Look at each event as they happened. Police said he was ok at that point, therefore there was zero reason to take away his firearms. If they thought he was ok, then they didn't believe he was going to do something like this.

Who ever done the interview was clearly unqualified.

edit,
"police found him timid and courteous"