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So... he did this out of sexual frustration?
No, he did it because he is a sociopath.

The sexually frustrated boy is just a persona he created but doesn't really exist.

If you watch the youtube video's you'll notice that everything is playacted. It's not a real person.
 
He had no concept of how to interact with potential partners. He simply expected people to walk up to him and want to screw him.
Let's call it a downward spiral. Poor at social situations which made it hard to get sex. Didn't have sex so it made him an increasingly desperate and weird person. Rinse repeat.

Plenty of men are in such a spiral without the existence of mental illness... But sure, it probably was there with him all along the way. Cause and symptom of an increasingly frustrated man.
 
Let's call it a downward spiral. Poor at social situations which made it hard to get sex. Didn't have sex so it made him an increasingly desperate and weird person. Rinse repeat.

Plenty of men are in such a spiral without the existence if mental illness... But sure, it probably was there with him all along the way. Cause and symptom of an increasingly frustrated man.

It was more than sexual frustration. It was the idea of him being in power.

He wanted to be in control of people.
 
Because I'm that tall and weighed the same. And I'm female, so it just struck me too close to home in strength wise.

If anything being thin and of avg height he has the advantage. Strength doesnt come into the equation much if you have a knife.

Speed and accuracy is key.
 
Really annoying thread title, why isn't it written like a real news headline?




Probably one of the most powerful images on the whole gun debate I've seen. Such a waste of life.
 
Because I'm that tall and weighed the same. And I'm female, so it just struck me too close to home in strength wise.

I think people tend to forget that a knife is a lethal weapon. It doesn't really matter what size he is or how strong he is, having a weapon is an equalizer. You don't even need to be strong to plunge a knife into somebody's chest.

Reminds me of that thread about that crazy Taiwanese who slashed people with a foot long blade, and somebody asked why no one fought him.
 
It was more than sexual frustration. It was the idea of him being in power.

He wanted to be in control of people.
I can see that. I had chalked that trait up to him being a spoiled, entitled rich kid.. But I suppose there could be a bonafide power complex there.
 
Wow, he really didn't understand why girls didn't want to sleep with him? Wow.

Why he had no luck with women could be ascertained by watching his YouTube videos to be honest.

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I don't understand why he didn't seek the services of a professional if he was so concerned with being a virgin. If it was because of legality issues, he lived within driving distance to Nevada where prostitution is legally allowed in certain areas.
 
Reading his manifesto, I don't get the impression that this guy would have had the drive to acquire guns if they were illegal. I mean, even after he decided that he would become a millionaire, all he did to accomplish this goal was to buy tickets in two jackpot lotteries. And he sincerely believed that he absolutely would win both of them, and was utterly crushed after losing them.

So, while I don't think this is true in every case, I think stricter gun control would've prevented this incident.
 
I mean, even after he decided that he would become a millionaire, all he did to accomplish this goal was to buy tickets in two jackpot lotteries. And he sincerely believed that he absolutely would win both of them, and was utterly crushed after losing them.

Strange how a crazy person thinks
 
I think the worst part about this is that a lot of men are mentally suffering and doing what they can to get by and make a life for themselves, then a fucktard like this goes and makes us gamers and depressed people look like lunatics. Everything about this piece of shit is lunatic status, meanwhile the economy sucks, gaming is cheap and some of us are tired. I've been doing a ton of work to undo a lot of old baggage, and make a good life.

In short, I've had this guys baggage and then some. Fuck him and whatever planet he came from. Women are not the problem, neither are his parents, neither are his lack of social life. Fucking psychopath. Sorry for the rant guys, but this douche had it all and didn't even try besides create hate and evil. Ugh!
 
Reading his "manifesto", one weird thing is that he was incredibly ashamed of his so-called pathetic life, but yet was very upfront about it with anyone who would interact with him.

And now I'm at the part where his new (and last) roommates arrive and it's incredibly disturbing knowing what ends ups happening.
 
If anything being thin and of avg height he has the advantage. Strength doesnt come into the equation much if you have a knife.

Speed and accuracy is key.

I think people tend to forget that a knife is a lethal weapon. It doesn't really matter what size he is or how strong he is, having a weapon is an equalizer. You don't even need to be strong to plunge a knife into somebody's chest.

Reminds me of that thread about that crazy Taiwanese who slashed people with a foot long blade, and somebody asked why no one fought him.

Oh I know... turns out the dude used a hammer blunt blows to the head each time or/and? (not confirmed) sleeping doses for his 3 victims at his apartment to then fatally stabbed them. (This was said in his manifesto, not sure if this is actually what happened...)

With this in mind, I can reenact the scenario in my mind and think it as plausible for him to act alone (and evade the police at that point).
 
I can see that. I had chalked that trait up to him being a spoiled, entitled rich kid.. But I suppose there could be a bonafide power complex there.

Read his 140 pages of bullshit. First page, he documents his birth and his parents meeting and his lineage.

He was bragging that he came from nobility/wealth (if that's true) and felt as if he was above A LOT of people.

Power complex is an understatement. He would've fucked up serious lives if he actually was put in a position of responsibility.

I wish I understood where this entitlement mentality of dominating and enslaving people came from. Shit like that doesn't just organically grow, it has to be nurtured and fed. I don't know if James Holmes is an exact comparison but both individuals have been seeing multiple mental health professionals and both were not institutionalized.
 
Reading through the manifesto..



Man, this dude really, really grew to fucking hate the idea of sex. I've yet to find the epicenter that created this view other than his sheer inexperience yet. Anyone find it?

Feelings of worthlessness resulting from modern society pushing it upon people as a rite of passage into manhood, or worthiness.

Focused on so intently, that he wanted everyone else to feel his own sense of pain - which resulted from been unable to achieve worth, and thus removing the element from everyone else that was the object of that 'worth'.
 
After reading his manifesto and watching some of his videos, I agree he had social disorders, an ego, a complex, was a sensitive child, needed special attention from his parents but was neglected... all of those things and more. I'd also have to agree with some of the comments elsewhere that I don't think he was straight.
 
I think people tend to forget that a knife is a lethal weapon. It doesn't really matter what size he is or how strong he is, having a weapon is an equalizer. You don't even need to be strong to plunge a knife into somebody's chest.

Stabbing someone in the throat is a guaranteed kill. Even a small pocket knife would be enough. Anyone can kill anyone if they set their mind to it. Size doesn't really matter. A 4 foot tall girl with one arm could kill someone as long as they had the drive.

I completely agree with everything you said.
 
Read his 140 pages of bullshit. First page, he documents his birth and his parents meeting and his lineage.

He was bragging that he came from nobility/wealth (if that's true) and felt as if he was above A LOT of people.

Power complex is an understatement. He would've fucked up serious lives if he actually was put in a position of responsibility.

I wish I understood where this entitlement mentality of dominating and enslaving people came from. Shit like that doesn't just organically grow, it has to be nurtured and fed. I don't know if James Holmes is an exact comparison but both individuals have been seeing multiple mental health professionals and both were not institutionalized.

He calls himself a god in the last few pages. Crazy shit.
 
Why he had no luck with women could be ascertained by watching his YouTube videos to be honest.

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I don't understand why he didn't seek the services of a professional if he was so concerned with being a virgin. If it was because of legality issues, he lived within driving distance to Nevada where prostitution is legally allowed in certain areas.

Pride.
 
This kid had therapy. The cops talked to him. He still went on a rampage. What is your point? Crazy people are always going to kill other people yes. However I would rather take my chances against someone without a fucking firearm driving down the street.

Ps. I own a few guns myself but it's time we stop pretending what the problem is.
The problem? As in, only one? Which is not firearms?
 
No, he did it because he is a sociopath.

The sexually frustrated boy is just a persona he created but doesn't really exist.

If you watch the youtube video's you'll notice that everything is playacted. It's not a real person.

You don't think he's a psychopath?
 
Read his 140 pages of bullshit. First page, he documents his birth and his parents meeting and his lineage.

He was bragging that he came from nobility/wealth (if that's true) and felt as if he was above A LOT of people.

Power complex is an understatement. He would've fucked up serious lives if he actually was put in a position of responsibility.

I wish I understood where this entitlement mentality of dominating and enslaving people came from. Shit like that doesn't just organically grow, it has to be nurtured and fed. I don't know if James Holmes is an exact comparison but both individuals have been seeing multiple mental health professionals and both were not institutionalized.

Because even if not explicitly stated, much of those attitudes are implicitly ladened into our society and culture. A holdover from less enlightened times maybe, or just a naturally emergent result of the confluence of a great many people of a great variability of ability.

A lonely guy without a social group of peers to defuse his echo chamber of thoughts could concievably pick up on all these implicit cues and over obsess on them to the point where it seemed as though this *is* how the world operates (and how everyone else believes it to also be the case).

It's remarkable how distorted his world view was... but I'm sure he's not unique in his views, unfortunate as that may be.
 
Read his 140 pages of bullshit. First page, he documents his birth and his parents meeting and his lineage.

He was bragging that he came from nobility/wealth (if that's true) and felt as if he was above A LOT of people.

Power complex is an understatement. He would've fucked up serious lives if he actually was put in a position of responsibility.

I wish I understood where this entitlement mentality of dominating and enslaving people came from. Shit like that doesn't just organically grow, it has to be nurtured and fed. I don't know if James Holmes is an exact comparison but both individuals have been seeing multiple mental health professionals and both were not institutionalized.

I keep looking at your icon.
 
Would not be shocked if he had a Neogaf account.

He'd be obsessed with that "Show off your significant other" thread and throw countless drinks at his monitor.

That's thread's creepy by the way. "Hey, internet - check out the person I'm fucking!" It's mostly guys posting pics of women similar to the way some guys post pics of their cars.
 
He'd be obsessed with that "Show off your significant other" thread and throw countless drinks at his monitor.

That's thread's creepy by the way. "Hey, internet - check out the person I'm fucking!" It's mostly guys posting pics of women similar to the way some guys post pics of their cars.

Lol so accurate.
 
Paid sex to him was probably a loser thing to do consider some of the people he look down upon are able to get laid easily. Probably ironic though because he sees his wealth and status as one of the main factors of attracting girls.
 

Heck, if you read his manifesto he even equated briefly having a blonde and somewhat attractive counselor to prostitution as she was getting paid to talk and spend time with him. Due to this he made sure he only had guy counselors.

The dude was twisted.
 
Thanks to the unnamed mod who changed the title of thread.

Why is it that I get the feeling that mass shootings in America are becoming more and more common and the requisite rage it induces is becoming less common?

I can't be the only one who thinks this is REALLY.FUCKED.UP.
 
Because even if not explicitly stated, much of those attitudes are implicitly ladened into our society and culture. A holdover from less enlightened times maybe, or just a naturally emergent result of the confluence of a great many people of a great variability of ability.

A lonely guy without a social group of peers to defuse his echo chamber of thoughts could concievably pick up on all these implicit cues and over obsess on them to the point where it seemed as though this *is* how the world operates (and how everyone else believes it to also be the case).

It's remarkable how distorted his world view was... but I'm sure he's not unique in his views, unfortunate as that may be.

He calls himself a god in the last few pages. Crazy shit.

What scares me is that there's other just like him who will go undiagnosed and will not be institutionalized before they inflict self harm or harm others.

His worldview is not unique and the warning signs were there.

Thanks to the unnamed mod who changed the title of thread.

Why is it that I get the feeling that mass shootings in America are becoming more and more common and the requisite rage it induces becomes less common?

I can't be the only one who thinks this is REALLY.FUCKED.UP.

It's fucked up, but America is a huge place. Shootings happen everyday. Happen in some places more than others.

Were a country housing 310 million people, all of us as strange and twisted as the other. But when were at our best, were pretty damn good.

It may seem like America is this apocalyptic wasteland where people struggle on the day to day, but I assure you were still a great nation.
 
What scares me is that there's other just like him who will go undiagnosed and will not be institutionalized before they inflict self harm or harm others.

His worldview is not unique and the warning signs were there.

What scares me more is that there was a LOT of deterrents (albeit too late) in place but this guy still managed to get under the radar and killed some people. :\ When enough is enough deterrent? Jail time?
 
Reading through the manifesto..



Man, this dude really, really grew to fucking hate the idea of sex. I've yet to find the epicenter that created this view other than his sheer inexperience yet. Anyone find it?

First incident maybe

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Thanks to the unnamed mod who changed the title of thread.

Why is it that I get the feeling that mass shootings in America are becoming more and more common and the requisite rage it induces is becoming less common?

I can't be the only one who thinks this is REALLY.FUCKED.UP.

Acclimation lessens the impact the more these things happen unfortunately. Two week news cycles certainly don't help either.
 
After reading some of his writings i can sort of see where he's coming being a a very late virgin myself however he let his insecurities and sense of entitlement define him which lead to tragedy, i can't empathise with him at all he went fucking crazy.
I wonder if i could have become him at some point and do some crazy shit, i have had some very bad thoughts too nothing quite like him tough.
 
What scares me is that there's other just like him who will go undiagnosed and will not be institutionalized before they inflict self harm or harm others.

His worldview is not unique and the warning signs were there.

The manifesto says that cops visited his place a couple months ago when he first started posting videos on youtube. His mother was worried about him. But he told the cops that he wasn't suicidal. And apparently he was seeing two therapists.

So the question is...where is the line? How do you truly know if someone could end up doing something like this? Yes, there were warning signs, but were there enough to have him taken out of society? That always requires more than 'warning signs'. You can only do so much without violating a person's rights.
 
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