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[Ikael]

Horrible, horrible news. My condolences to the families of the deceased.

Reading trough the emails and posts of the murder, it is pretty clear that he needed psychological treatment badly, but he was prolly unaware of his own condition, as so were his family.

What seemingly started as your standard entitlement / douchebaggery teenager angst, ballooned into something worse and devolved latter into a mental issue, and then fell into violence.

Hard to Access mental healthcare + easy to Access guns is a lethal, tragic combo

 

[Kaervas]

Holy shit this dude reads like a 4chan troll post come to life.

 

[On Demand]

People identifying with this guy disturb me far, far more than those who identified with Dorner...

Started dating as a teenager i take it?????

 

[SquiddyCracker]

He's also an ASOIF fan, and Nintendo fan.
Kinda a stereotypical nerd, with a crazy blonde-complex and narcissistic traits.

 

[DY_nasty]

Isn't he Chinese?

He identified as white. Him being "descendant from British aristocracy" was a big deal to him. Also, he was racist as fuck in more ways than one. But there's plenty to read and its not like you have to take anyone's word for it with all of the resources out there.

 

[Delusibeta]

Headlines like the "virgin killer" are very distasteful. One can never set the bar too low for MSM after such incidents. And what the fuck is wrong with some of these people on YouTube? Is Google ever going to take responsibility regarding content that they are hosting? No wonder people want others to use ther real names with internet i.d's etc.

If there's one thing Facebook Comments have proven without a shadow of a doubt, many people are prepared to post terrible, terrible things with their real name an photo attached.

 

[Tristam]

His racism comes so naturally and is delivered in such a matter-of-fact manner that I wonder how it was shaped. I would be tempted to say that it comes from his upper-class white America surroundings, but clearly the black (and Mexican, and Asian...) guys he was surrounded by enjoyed popularity even within that bubble. His family? I don't know, his family took very well to his sister's half-Mexican boyfriend. Was it subconsciously picked up from the media he constantly immersed himself in? He put on a pedestal (even as he deeply envied) blonde-headed white people.

 

[parakeet]

He isn't an outcast more like a psycho,

 

[Bucket Mouse]

He identified as white. Him being "descendant from British aristocracy" was a big deal to him. Also, he was racist as fuck in more ways than one. But there's plenty to read and its not like you have to take anyone's word for it with all of the resources out there.

According to his blog, he identified as a Eurasian.

I consider myself a sophisticated, polite gentleman, unlike most boys my age. My father is of British descent, and my mother is of Asian descent, so that makes me a Eurasian.

 

[DY_nasty]

Started dating as a teenager i take it?????

I just happen to think that witnessing people killed, being part of coverups, watching clear discrimination and misuse of government power is a bit more jolting than how many times a girl didn't smile back.

Also, this guy's incubation in an echo chamber should definitely worry many people.

According to his blog, he identified as a Eurasian.

There's plenty more to that 100+ pages that make it very, very clear that he sees himself as white outside of that one line - or at the very least white enough to deserve more than those who weren't. He clings to his father's half.

 

[border]

He identified as white. Him being "descendant from British aristocracy" was a big deal to him. Also, he was racist as fuck in more ways than one.

His heritage and race were pretty much the only things he could cling to to keep his fragile ego from completely falling apart. By all accounts his actual accomplishments in life were virtually nothing, so he had to get his sense of self-worth from things he never earned.

 

[Prax]

You guys laugh and think he's crazy but you don't realise the toll it takes on a man never being with a woman. It's not just the sex it's intimacy too. I'm not saying he was right to kill anybody. Hell no. He should of controlled his frustration more. But i do understand where the anger comes from.

And it has nothing to do with being white. Get that BS out of here. ALL races go through this.

What I don't understand is why he didn't just pay for it like so many other entitled rich people.
His whole logic is so full of stupid and most of this "toll" sounds self-inflicted and it actually sounds like he WANTED to be angry. Rage-fueld hatred became a rush/drug to him. He became addicted to his own anger?

So while we may understand or muse about his downward spiral.. seeing people actually identifying and romanticizing about it fills me with great disappointment.

 

[User 100115]

Started dating as a teenager i take it?????

I cannot stress enough that even had this guy gotten 'laid' or gotten a girlfriend, he still would have been an entitled, mysoginistic asshole. Anyone who relates to him is basically agreeing that this guy was owed sex and therefore justified in taking his revenge.

 

[Parch]

And it has nothing to do with being white. Get that BS out of here. ALL races go through this.

Yes. It's not a white thing. And it's not a money thing either. Middle class teens can go through the same thing and even a reasonably comfortable lifestyle can lead to entitlement. It's not that unusual.

 

[apana]

Dating and intimacy had very little do with it. He barely tried to get a girlfriend, he had a psychotic obsession with control of other human beings. One of his attempts to get a girlfriend was to win hundreds of millions in the lottery. It was all about glory, power, and pleasure. Women were just objects for his ego gratification, he was not shunned he sought this out. He died doing what he wanted to do all along. It was his last attempt to feel powerful and go out in a blaze of "glory".

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

His racism comes so naturally and is delivered in such a matter-of-fact manner that I wonder how it was shaped. I would be tempted to say that it comes from his upper-class white America surroundings, but clearly the black (and Mexican, and Asian...) guys he was surrounded by enjoyed popularity even within that bubble. His family? I don't know, his family took very well to his sister's half-Mexican boyfriend. Was it subconsciously picked up from the media he constantly immersed himself in? He put on a pedestal (even as he deeply envied) blonde-headed white people.

Given how obsessed he was with looks and beauty it's possible he viewed tall blonde people with blue eyes as superior since those are considered very attractive traits.

 

[Northeastmonk]

I cannot stress enough that even had this guy gotten 'laid' or gotten a girlfriend, he still would have been an entitled, mysoginistic asshole. Anyone who relates to him is basically agreeing that this guy was owed sex and therefore justified in taking his revenge.

Yeah, no one is entitled to it. We're just not populating the world if we don't. Heterosexual sex is meant for reproduction and pleasure. If you straight up have sex, then you assume a child is on their way.

 

[kirblar]

I just happen to think that witnessing people killed, being part of coverups, watching clear discrimination and misuse of government power is a bit more jolting than how many times a girl didn't smile back.

Also, this guy's incubation in an echo chamber should definitely worry many people.

We've had several people on the autistic spectrum remark that they emphasized with his feelings but that they had been able to overcome it either with self-introspection or with mandated outside assistance. This guy clearly wasn't capable of anything resembling introspection.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

People identifying with this guy disturb me far, far more than those who identified with Dorner...

It's mainly because the issues he had are so common amongst young males across all races.

Rejection, jealousy, loneliness, depression, peer pressure.

We can identify with all of the above, except everyone else deals with them in a constructive manner and grows as a person.

This guy thought he deserved everything he desired with little of no effort, and when he realised life is actually hard work sometimes, he threw his toys out the pram and pointed a finger at society.

His elevated upbringing gave him a start in life most of us can only aspire too, and yet he felt like he had been dealt a bum hand.

Fuck him.

 

[DoktorEvil]

His racism comes so naturally and is delivered in such a matter-of-fact manner that I wonder how it was shaped. I would be tempted to say that it comes from his upper-class white America surroundings, but clearly the black (and Mexican, and Asian...) guys he was surrounded by enjoyed popularity even within that bubble. His family? I don't know, his family took very well to his sister's half-Mexican boyfriend. Was it subconsciously picked up from the media he constantly immersed himself in? He put on a pedestal (even as he deeply envied) blonde-headed white people.

I would think spending time around himself more than his parents or other people, he used racial superiority as a straw man for his anger. The fetishization of blonde, tall, and white women is I guess the mental picture he has of the perfect mate, even though there are many more women that don't fit that stereotypical mold.

You guys laugh and think he's crazy but you don't realise the toll it takes on a man never being with a woman. It's not just the sex it's intimacy too. I'm not saying he was right to kill anybody. Hell no. He should of controlled his frustration more. But i do understand where the anger comes from.

And it has nothing to do with being white. Get that BS out of here. ALL races go through this.

There are plenty of men who have the same problems he was suffering from. Except, he resorted to anger to validate himself.

I said this before earlier and I'll say it again: no woman would fix what was going on in his head. No amount of temporary sexual pleasure from a prosititue was going to make him better. He was digging himself a hole to avoid dealing with his problems.

What a fucking coward...

 

[BlackJace]

Yeah, he could've easily gotten a prostitute or something, but this guy wanted the validation of other women. He literally thought that he deserved sex just because he had a penis and hailed from "white royalty" (what the fuck).

Notice how every failure was met with "WHY IS LIFE SO UNFAIR", instead of "What am I doing wrong, and what can I do to fix it?". His former friend Addison was in the same position as him, but instead he made attempts to change his life and then became "successful" with women. Elliot wanted everything to just fall into his lap.

 

[User 100115]

Yeah, no one is entitled to it. We're just not populating the world if we don't. Heterosexual sex is meant for reproduction and pleasure. If you straight up have sex, then you assume a child is on their way.

I am so confused.

People have sex for fun a lot more than they have it for reproduction purposes.

 

[Northeastmonk]

I am so confused.

People have sex for fun a lot more than they have it for reproduction purposes.

I guess I'll fall back on that comment at an older age. You're right though.

or not.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Yeah, he could've easily gotten a prostitute or something, but this guy wanted the validation of other women. He literally thought that he deserved sex just because he had a penis and hailed from "white royalty" (what the fuck).

Notice how every failure was met with "WHY IS LIFE SO UNFAIR", instead of "What am I doing wrong, and what can I do to fix it?". His former friend Addison was in the same position as him, but instead he made attempts to change his life and then became "successful" with women. Elliot wanted everything to just fall into his lap.

He says he tried working out (but clearly wasn't committed to it) and being cocky/arrogant as well as using an eloquent accent(lol). Beyond that he apparently wore Aramni and other tacky brands everywhere. Everything he did was done in a very failing manner.

 

[EdibleKnife]

Horrible, horrible news. My condolences to the families of the deceased.

Reading trough the emails and posts of the murder, it is pretty clear that he needed psychological treatment badly, but he was prolly unaware of his own condition, as so were his family.

What seemingly started as your standard entitlement / douchebaggery teenager angst, ballooned into something worse and devolved latter into a mental issue, and then fell into violence.

Hard to Access mental healthcare + easy to Access guns is a lethal, tragic combo

His family actually had been getting psych help for him for years but it didn't work. People forget that the only way psych help takes hold is if the patient submits to the treatment wholly. Medicines can be refused and the patient that doesn't want help can put up a wall or a facade and simply go through the motions.

 

[Valhelm]

Yeah, no one is entitled to it. We're just not populating the world if we don't. Heterosexual sex is meant for reproduction and pleasure. If you straight up have sex, then you assume a child is on their way.

Fiction isn't saying that "sex isn't needed". She's saying that nobody deserves to have sex just for existing.

 

[DY_nasty]

dude stahp

no one consciously gets out of bed motivated by populating the world. at least nowhere near the level of how you're putting that across.

It's mainly because the issues he had are so common amongst young males across all races.

Rejection, jealousy, loneliness, depression, peer pressure.

We can identify with all of the above, except everyone else deals with them in a constructive manner and grows as a person.

This guy thought he deserved everything he desired with little of no effort, and when he realised life is actually hard work sometimes, he threw his toys out the pram and pointed a finger at society.

His elevated upbringing gave him a start in life most of us can only aspire too, and yet he felt like he had been dealt a bum hand.

Fuck him.

I think that's a massive leap from people who just want to identify with the much, much smaller issues and points in all of this. Yes, rejection happens - but how many people match any level of this guy's response even before the shooting? I mean, on their worst day, who here has decided to vlog or put that kind of twisted nonsense to paper? If you have - stop posting and get help.

Even the passive "I bet you were dating as a teenager" bit. You might be feeling some type of way. Talk to someone who's not part of your pat on the back crew to get another perspective.

 

[User 100115]

I guess I'll fall back on that comment at an older age. You're right though.

or not.

The world is populating just fine. I just think it's completely insane that so many people are relating to this guy, as if somehow all them 'bitches' not giving him the time of day were the problem and not the crazy asshole who flew into a murderous rage because a stranger didn't smile at him.

It's a terrifying time to be a woman right now.

 

[Xpike]

You guys laugh and think he's crazy but you don't realise the toll it takes on a man never being with a woman. It's not just the sex it's intimacy too. I'm not saying he was right to kill anybody. Hell no. He should of controlled his frustration more. But i do understand where the anger comes from.

And it has nothing to do with being white. Get that BS out of here. ALL races go through this.

But being white, as already said above, was one point he kept coming back to. Also, he expected women to just throw themselves at him, without any effort on his part, so it's kinda different.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

Yeah, after having read through his little diary, it's pretty clear it was never about him getting laid, but rather about him feeling powerful as has been mentioned by others in this thread.
That obsession with "tall, blonde white girls" is probably a by-product of some intense beliefs regarding race.

 

[DY_nasty]

The world is populating just fine. I just think it's completely insane that so many people are relating to this guy, as if somehow all them 'bitches' not giving him the time of day were the problem and not the crazy asshole who flew into a murderous rage because a stranger didn't smile at him.

It's a terrifying time to be a woman right now.

I think there have definitely been worse times... but on the same token, its the first time that I think people could articulate and clearly state in so many ways WHY they should get a monthly blowjob & cuddle stipend as per congressional act.

"I, too, couldn't handle my rejection - and this guy, who killed and injured many - feels as I did at one point"

y

 

[aeolist]

stuff like this makes me really fearful for the women in my life, especially since my girlfriend occasionally seems to attract stalker-ish behaviors

 

[CHEEZMO™]

I think there have definitely been worse times... but on the same token, its the first time that I think people could articulate and clearly state in so many ways WHY they should get a monthly blowjob & cuddle stipend as per congressional act.

Google governments get girlfriends. Or read a few pages into this topic to see the insanity http://www.cracked.com/forums/topic...entary-about-26quot3Blove-shy26quot3B-dudes/0

 

[Karkador]

Yeah, after having read through his little diary, it's pretty clear it was never about him getting laid, but rather about him feeling powerful as has been mentioned by others in this thread.
That obsession with "tall, blonde white girls" is probably a by-product of some intense beliefs regarding race.

I have to wonder what role his family played in his clearly racist attitudes.

 

[APF]

While feeling rejected is indeed difficult, what I can identify more with is the feeling of wanting to live out my life without it being prematurely ended by a racist misogynist psychopath.

 

[Afrikan]

the way he speaks and writes, reminds me of Ryan Phillippe's character Sebastian from Cruel Intentions....well besides Sebastian always getting some.

 

[Keri]

The world is populating just fine. I just think it's completely insane that so many people are relating to this guy, as if somehow all them 'bitches' not giving him the time of day were the problem and not the crazy asshole who flew into a murderous rage because a stranger didn't smile at him.

It's a terrifying time to be a woman right now.

Yeah, I have to say, it's pretty disheartening hearing so many people say that they can identify with the guy who wanted to put women in concentration camps, starve the majority to death, and then force the rest into breeding labs...

...you know, in addition to the fact he murdered a bunch of people.

 

[Warm Machine]

I cannot stress enough that even had this guy gotten 'laid' or gotten a girlfriend, he still would have been an entitled, mysoginistic asshole. Anyone who relates to him is basically agreeing that this guy was owed sex and therefore justified in taking his revenge.

You would be amazed at how quickly the anger and personality issues vanish when you find someone who you connect with. It actually erases years of mental depression in a few weeks. At least it did in my case.

I don't agree he was justified in hurting anyone. I find what he did abhorrent. I just know what it is like to feel like you are invisible and unwanted.

 

[Incendiary]

Dating and intimacy had very little do with it. He barely tried to get a girlfriend, he had a psychotic obsession with control of other human beings. One of his attempts to get a girlfriend was to win hundreds of millions in the lottery. It was all about glory, power, and pleasure. Women were just objects for his ego gratification, he was not shunned he sought this out. He died doing what he wanted to do all along. It was his last attempt to feel powerful and go out in a blaze of "glory".

It's pretty obvious that he had some sort of god complex. The fact that he got angry that girls didn't smile at him showed that it wasn't just dating or sex or a girlfriend he was looking for. He wanted all women to be attracted to him and just bow at his feet. He wasn't just desiring sex, he wanted to be able to have sex with any women at any time just by smiling at them.

 

[DoktorEvil]

The world is populating just fine. I just think it's completely insane that so many people are relating to this guy, as if somehow all them 'bitches' not giving him the time of day were the problem and not the crazy asshole who flew into a murderous rage because a stranger didn't smile at him.

It's a terrifying time to be a woman right now.

If you mean the YouTube comments I don't think anyone is taking him seriously. Lot of intentionally nasty comments on his videos.

If you're taking about the world in general, no one is openly celebrating his acts. He was a coward and he died a cowardly death.

 

[-COOLIO-]

when did his manifesto go up?

the part where he pretended that he was shooting people at the party and gets pushed from the ledge seems pivotal.

 

[User 100115]

You would be amazed at how quickly the anger and personality issues vanish when you find someone who you connect with. It actually erases years of mental depression in a few weeks. At least it did in my case.

I'm glad it worked for you. The vast majority of the time, it doesn't.

 

[IISANDERII]

The laughs are definitely forced, even if he did find it funny, who laughs like that?

People who get judged and ridiculed so much that they end up acting out lethal vendettas.

 

[On Demand]

What I don't understand is why he didn't just pay for it like so many other entitled rich people.
His whole logic is so full of stupid and most of this "toll" sounds self-inflicted and it actually sounds like he WANTED to be angry. Rage-fueld hatred became a rush/drug to him. He became addicted to his own anger?

So while we may understand or muse about his downward spiral.. seeing people actually identifying and romanticizing about it fills me with great disappointment.

Like i said it's not just sex. Having a partner is a major part of it. So paying for sex wouldn't do anything and possibly make you feel even worse having to pay to be with a woman who pretends to like you.

There are plenty of men who have the same problems he was suffering from. Except, he resorted to anger to validate himself.

I said this before earlier and I'll say it again: no woman would fix what was going on in his head. No amount of temporary sexual pleasure from a prosititue was going to make him better. He was digging himself a hole to avoid dealing with his problems.

What a fucking coward...

Well he wouldn't be thinking those thoughts if he had experiences with girls early on. Some people just can't take it. And it's not just men, women go through the same thing-

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...pell=1&ei=fiaCU5WCMurksATxjoGQAg&ved=0CBgQvwU

Alot of you guys who have a normal dating life really don't get what it's like.

 

[Prax]

The world is populating just fine. I just think it's completely insane that so many people are relating to this guy, as if somehow all them 'bitches' not giving him the time of day were the problem and not the crazy asshole who flew into a murderous rage because a stranger didn't smile at him.

It's a terrifying time to be a woman right now.

Some people just so thirsty, Fiction.
It hurts my soul.

Like at this point, I don't care if not being sexually validated "takes its toll", as sex-with-a-person/romantic-relationship is not a human right. Someone may romanticize this deep struggle or whatever, but it doesn't excuse them from extremely stupid ideas and actions. Like if this is such a deep struggle, you need to get better priorities and find professional help (whether therapist, life coach, willing sex worker, etc.).

 

[Dabookerman]

I think simply blaming all his behaviour on his mental illness isn't doing favours as well. For one thing, it's putting others with mental illnesses in the same group, and secondly, having a mental illness does not cause people to go out and murder others.

Hate does.

 

[DY_nasty]

If you mean the YouTube comments I don't think anyone is taking him seriously. Lot of intentionally nasty comments on his videos.

If you're taking about the world in general, no one is openly celebrating his acts. He was a coward and he died a cowardly death.

cmon

dude's got a facebook page in his 'honor' already and there are more than a few across the internet who champion the guy. it would be just trolling if you know... he wasn't 'just trolling' on sites himself.

 

[Warm Machine]

I'm glad it worked for you. The vast majority of the time, it doesn't.

Btw, read the edit. I don't agree with any sort if violence or revenge. His issue remains with himself. Support is out there it just inst in men's rights organizations or PUA sites.

 

[BlackJace]

He says he tried working out (but clearly wasn't committed to it) and being cocky/arrogant as well as using an eloquent accent(lol). Beyond that he apparently wore Aramni and other tacky brands everywhere. Everything he did was done in a very failing manner.

All of his attempts at changing were superficial at best. The Dating Age thread for instance always stresses how merely buying clothing, getting haircuts, and working out, while helpful, are ultimately useless without introspection. Elliot never looked within himself and concluded that his mindset was the problem. No, it was an unfair system where he fell on the end that was getting screwed over. Some of his anecdotes suggest that he honestly thought he was the only one on Earth not having women fall all over him.

Feeling lonely? Occasionally feeling jealous at seeing other couples? At a dead end where you feel like nothing is working? Fine. It's perfectly fine to encounter feeling like these. Elliot, however, deluded himself into thinking that he was somehow above encountering these emotions. It's akin to arguing that one shouldn't have to feel sorrow because of them being rich, good-looking, etc. Crazy shit.

 

[gugi40]

After reading and watching everything, I am never going to think the same way about people that act like him. Now, every troll will be a possible murderer.