Seven Dead, Several Hospitalized in Isla Vista Mass Shooting
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After yesterday I have no faith in my troll detector.
Mammoth Jones
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And unfortunately there are a disturbing amount of them. They really do view women as things. As items. As objects. Something to own in order to satiate their physical needs.
That entitled outlook needs to be obliterated. This man was completely deluded.
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Even found one who claims who wants to do the same. Any suggestions what to do?
Vicetrailia
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I had a fucked up lonely childhood too, and I've caught myself thinking like him at times (just about different topics/issues). Self introspection really saved me, and it's a shame that he never really developed that, even as the over the top entitled personality he is. He knew nothing about himself even.
Mammoth Jones
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Authorities should be alerted immediately. And I mean, yea in this case that wasn't enough but hopefully threats will be taken more seriously.
DoktorEvil
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An example of our media's obsession with valourising the killers of the world:
Has anyone every declared Rolling Stone a rag?
How incredibly in poor taste is it to plaster a murderer on your magazine.
How? Best thing I can do is flagging for spam.
Earthstrike
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Reading snippets of his manifesto is just so fucked up.
He was at a party, witnessed a white girl talking to an asian guy, attempted to start a fight. They sent him outside. He went to the top of a ledge and tried to pick a fight up there because the girls weren't talking to him. He tried to push them off the ledge, but ended up getting pushed off the ledge himself, breaking his ankle.
He tried to run away but realized he forgot his sunglasses and went to a different house and started a fight to try to get them back.
Here's the interesting part, people tried to help save him from getting his ass beat further. After he was saved, he was still angry that they "only" helped him get back home, and that there wasn't a girl to fuck him to make him feel better.
Like Jesus Christ, how fucking twisted do you have to be. He expected the entire fucking world on a silver platter. Including loads upon loads of sex.
He was at a party, witnessed a white girl talking to an asian guy, attempted to start a fight. They sent him outside. He went to the top of a ledge and tried to pick a fight up there because the girls weren't talking to him. He tried to push them off the ledge, but ended up getting pushed off the ledge himself, breaking his ankle.
He tried to run away but realized he forgot his sunglasses and went to a different house and started a fight to try to get them back.
Here's the interesting part, people tried to help save him from getting his ass beat further. After he was saved, he was still angry that they "only" helped him get back home, and that there wasn't a girl to fuck him to make him feel better.
Like Jesus Christ, how fucking twisted do you have to be. He expected the entire fucking world on a silver platter. Including loads upon loads of sex.
This looks so similar in style to Columbine, Virginia Tech, University of Texas, the Adam Lanza shooting. I've always been quick to say that these people are severely mentally screwed up almost beyond repair, and that it was mental illness, not the actions of others (bullying, neglect, etc.) that led them to take these actions. Rational people without this kind of mental illness go through bullying and neglect all the time without resorting to this level of violent action. I'm completely crushed and saddened when these sort of mass killings happen, and I've become really interested in reading about them through the years to try and learn how and why they happen. I really don't know who to blame or what can be done to prevent more.
Metal Gear?!
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ComputerMKII
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I cannot facepalm hard enough.
Blackstarhat
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I think it's extremely sad that people are able to get to such a state to commit acts like this. Personality disorders are scary to deal with. The only solution is to seek help, and unfortunately, that didn't happen here, and it escalated into a tragic situation. That being said, I don't blame anybody but the guy himself here.
On the side, it makes me happy to have my friends and family, and yes, even just posting here on NeoGAF. I'm aware of my own issues like depression, anxiety, and yes, personality disorders. But having people to converse with, people to confide in, makes it a lot easier to deal with everyday life. If it wasn't for everybody around me, I don't even want to think where I'd be right now.
On the side, it makes me happy to have my friends and family, and yes, even just posting here on NeoGAF. I'm aware of my own issues like depression, anxiety, and yes, personality disorders. But having people to converse with, people to confide in, makes it a lot easier to deal with everyday life. If it wasn't for everybody around me, I don't even want to think where I'd be right now.
Mammoth Jones
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I cannot facepalm hard enough.
Is this really real?
Vermillion
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I cannot facepalm hard enough.
The other benefits of black guys having sex with white women. Racist tears. Too bad this asshole had to go after others as revenge for his own failures.
CarpeDeezNutz
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Indeed
2edgy4me
entremet
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People, a family member mentioned he had mild autism/Aspergers.
Not that those with that condition become murderous wackos, but making this about some simplistic lonely virgin who got rejected, is not wise and doesn't discuss the full spectrum.
Who knows how that condition affected his ability to relate with others socially and led him down a downward spiral of mental instability.
Not that those with that condition become murderous wackos, but making this about some simplistic lonely virgin who got rejected, is not wise and doesn't discuss the full spectrum.
Who knows how that condition affected his ability to relate with others socially and led him down a downward spiral of mental instability.
You can call the police if you have a clue of what country+state he is in. If some lady in Canada could call the police in Texas you can too but actually have proof of a pattern of behavior before doing so.
ChosenPredator
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seems it kind of set off a chain reaction from what you guys are saying to create copycats.
Coreda
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The audio version from 4chan posted a few pages back had me in tears. There's also this one as read by a text-to-speech English gentleman, which sounds like it's straight out of a novel, but is far more psychopathic (I mean wow).
Oh Jesus :lol
LQX
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Reading some this kids shit, he sounds like a more evil version of Stewie Griffin. Like if Stewie grew up and his hate for his mom manifested into a hate for women.
Also, I'm still not sure he was serious. It's a fact he is a murderer but I still cant wrap my head around his thoughts and weather he truly believed some of the shit he wrote down. I just cant comprehend much of it.
Also, I'm still not sure he was serious. It's a fact he is a murderer but I still cant wrap my head around his thoughts and weather he truly believed some of the shit he wrote down. I just cant comprehend much of it.
Mammoth Jones
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I was under the impression that mild autistic/Aspergers acting out violently was so rare that there was little point to focusing on that aspect of him. Hence why we believe him to be culpable for his actions.
I think his narcissistic personality disorder was obviously FAR more serious than "mild".
"Like Adam Lanza, this would appear to be a case of aggrieved white male entitlement syndrome, one which has led to a murderous and tragic outcome."
I thought it was pretty well-established that Adam Lanza wasn't some snotty rich kid with entitlement issues?
I listened to an hourlong interview with the journalist that profiled Lanza's father, and it painted a picture of someone that was deeply and disturbed, borderline Asperger's, and likely in the depths of a horrible depression. They talked about how he would just spend days of his life crying in his room, and obsess over minor household behaviors. As a child he would flip out if physically touched to much. He was disturbed and upset if his senses became over-stimulated. He was diagnosed with mental disorders that were not invented by a snotty blogger with an agenda.
Ugh....
ChainedMaster
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jesus christ
kinda hot
Mammoth Jones
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I think it's already been pulled.
Yea, Lanza's parents failed him completely. He was obviously VERY ill and they didn't take nearly enough care to cultivate a safe environment for him.
if you want to prevent these things from happening you have to understand him, and for that you need empathy. It doesn't do society any good to view criminals as evil, no matter how horrible their actions.
Kos very much has an agenda/narrative that they want these to fall into.
Deified Data
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Yes. People often confuse empathy for sympathy. You can empathize with someone without owning them a bit of sympathy.
CarpeDeezNutz
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Four_Chamber
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Geez, I skimmed that whole document. Just by reading this, its obvious this kid lived the vast majority of his life with a silver spoon. He is the definition of entitlement. At one point, he regrets going on a flight because he wasn't flying First Class. Leaving schools after a week because he wasn't the most popular kid in the school? Really?
I think people focus too much on his Aspergers but I think he's got a lot more going on. His delusion that there was a vast conspiracy out there against him suggests schizophrenia.
This guy was a really, really disturbed kid. Treatment of mental illnesses in this country needs an overhaul.
I think people focus too much on his Aspergers but I think he's got a lot more going on. His delusion that there was a vast conspiracy out there against him suggests schizophrenia.
This guy was a really, really disturbed kid. Treatment of mental illnesses in this country needs an overhaul.
Aesius
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Other than the whole being rich and living in Southern Cal thing, I can actually relate to a lot of what this kid went through during his early adolescence.
I was content playing video games and goofing off with my friends, so when everyone dropped all that and started constantly pursuing girls, drinking, and trying to act "cool", it was kind of shocking.
Like him, I spent most of my early teen years playing online games and just avoiding reality. It definitely warped my views on a lot of things at the time, and while I eventually got a long-term girlfriend when I was 17 and sort of snapped out of it, I still think those years had a permanent impact on my life and personality.
I was content playing video games and goofing off with my friends, so when everyone dropped all that and started constantly pursuing girls, drinking, and trying to act "cool", it was kind of shocking.
Like him, I spent most of my early teen years playing online games and just avoiding reality. It definitely warped my views on a lot of things at the time, and while I eventually got a long-term girlfriend when I was 17 and sort of snapped out of it, I still think those years had a permanent impact on my life and personality.
Prax
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Yeah uh. You can have empathy to understand their stupid mindset and the cause and effect, but sympathy is a whole other matter. And just because some causes lead to some effects don't mean that we can cater sympathy to such people on demand (which who knows, may in fact had something to do with his entitlement syndrome in the first place!). There are plenty of people with Aspergers that don't turn into murdering sociopathic stupidfaces, and his Aspergers probably has little to do with this overall.
Also I worry about people who feel on his level like they agree with his plight or whatever. Like get a hold of yourself and don't become seduced by the idea. People who are already martyrizing him of half-jokingly saying things like "see, this is what happens girls! This is what you do!" should stop immediately, trolling or not.
Also I worry about people who feel on his level like they agree with his plight or whatever. Like get a hold of yourself and don't become seduced by the idea. People who are already martyrizing him of half-jokingly saying things like "see, this is what happens girls! This is what you do!" should stop immediately, trolling or not.
velociraptor
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He did have a Magikarp phase
And the ledge thing earlier in the thread.
is this real or is this fan fic
I cannot facepalm hard enough.
Strange how the facepalm is automatic. You dont even notice it, but when you get by the middle of this small text your hand is already in your face.
Adam Lanza's mother home-schooled him, indulged almost all of his bizarre compulsions, and spent almost every day of her life as a prisoner that was trapped and tormented by her son's psychosis. None of his mental health counselors ever detected a tendency towards violence. At some point Lanza ceased communicating at all with his father. He began communicating only with his mother through e-mail.
I'm not certain what else his parents could or should have done. It's a difficult situation to deal with someone who wants autonomy and independence but clearly doesn't have the mental faculties to earn those things for themself.
Short of denying Lanza access to weapons or having him committed, I can't see what course of action would have resulted in a happy ending.
Opus Angelorum
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His manifesto is an embarrassment throughout. Instead of highlighting his plight it merely underscores his failings.
He was cleary born with a silver spoon in his mouth, with a sense of entitlement beyond even the most vain of modern day celebrities.
To summarize my feelings whilst reading the entire thing; grow a set balls.
He was cleary born with a silver spoon in his mouth, with a sense of entitlement beyond even the most vain of modern day celebrities.
To summarize my feelings whilst reading the entire thing; grow a set balls.
Yup, and his mother apparently fueled his problems with a mix of enablement, neglect and deliberate obfuscation.
SquiddyCracker
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Holy shit at his obsession with throwing beverages at his "offenders".
And that "hate-fueled excitement."
And that "hate-fueled excitement."
rokkerkory
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Good parenting... Sigh. I blame the parents first and foremost.
Any reaction or statement from them yet?
Any reaction or statement from them yet?
And running away in his car
You guys laugh and think he's crazy but you don't realise the toll it takes on a man never being with a woman. It's not just the sex it's intimacy too. I'm not saying he was right to kill anybody. Hell no. He should of controlled his frustration more. But i do understand where the anger comes from.
And it has nothing to do with being white. Get that BS out of here. ALL races go through this.
And it has nothing to do with being white. Get that BS out of here. ALL races go through this.
Northeastmonk
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I agree.. he goes from talking about showing his friends video games, to going on all these vacations, then straight into hating people. He sought nothing but to hurt people for his own personal problems.
He couldn't wait for adulthood to run its course. He was too focused on the now and why. Life is completely different once you become an adult. You become the person you were born to be. He was probably given everything a guy his age could possibly have wanted and he attacked people because he didn't get a girlfriend at a young age.
I do agree that sex at that age is frustrating. Drama is a major issue. There's more to life than sex.
If you read his manifesto you will see that being white is a huge part of his agenda. By his own admission too.
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