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[georly]

I like the steam a lot. It'll be a nice way to instantly understand the damage level someone's at. Stuff like actual battle damage is way too subtle, and doesn't give you that instant visual feedback. Plus it makes all the characters feel like steampunk automatons that are starting to overheat hehe.

And easier to implement (and see) than character-specific battle damage.

 

[Luqi]

I like steam better than damage on stuff, it's way more clear than damage.

 

[Village]

I like the steam a lot. It'll be a nice way to instantly understand the damage level someone's at. Stuff like actual battle damage is way too subtle, and doesn't give you that instant visual feedback. Plus it makes all the characters feel like steampunk automatons that are starting to overheat hehe.

I don't see steam punk really

It just reminds me of the animation trope of literally being steamed and angry. They are super salt and tired that they are hurt.

Also battle damage is I am fine with, I think it looks cool. Also the number's indicate your pain anyway, so who who cares about subtile your pain is being displayed in font at all times.

 

[Berordn]

Kain is my number one favorite character design in a video game ever. I would KILL to have him in the game, but alas, he has 0 chance, because there are like 10 other FF characters who would get in before him. Unless we have a 'Square Vs Nintendo' Fighting game, it won't happen.

those are both cecil

Spoiler

dissidia was an awful game for his representation and duodecim just poured salt in the wound by making kain actually playable but leaving cecil with the dumb spear

 

[georly]

those are both cecil

Spoiler

dissidia was an awful game for his representation and duodecim just poured salt in the wound by making kain actually playable but leaving cecil with the dumb spear

Oops, I looked at it and saw cecil, assumed the other was kain, and closed the tab Cecil definitely shouldnt ever have a spear!

 

[Village]

The game was incredible, I got to play as the coolest FF cool guy. Jetch.

Your character was just collateral damage.

 

[georly]

So at this point, the gematsu leak has me bummed, because all of them are a bit expected. Chorus men are the 'weird' one, but we were already expecting a 'weird' character.

What REASONABLE characters could he announce that would genuinely surprise you because you didn't think that he'd actually do it.

For me, toon zelda or tetra would be amazing, and with so many other people possible to be in the game, I'm not expecting them.

 

[Ryce]

What REASONABLE characters could he announce that would genuinely surprise you because you didn't think that he'd actually do it.

Literally anybody. I truly believe the leaked newcomers are all we're getting.

 

[munchie64]

What REASONABLE characters could he announce that would genuinely surprise you because you didn't think that he'd actually do it.

I'm the same as Ryce, so I would have to say Dixie.

 

[J-Tier]

I'd be surprised by any non-leak newcomer.

Particularly Dixie who I think has very little chance. A lot of people expect her, but the boat has left in my opinion.

Spoiler

munchie64 has ESP

 

[JStein0222]

Literally anybody. I truly believe the leaked newcomers are all we're getting.

I'm in the same boat. Any non leak newcomers would be a really cool surprise...Mewtwo would be mad dope for me.

 

[J-Tier]

I'm in the same boat. Any non leak newcomers would be a really cool surprise...Mewtwo would be mad dope for me.

Spoiler

boats, you have ESP too.

 

[munchie64]

I'd be surprised by any non-leak newcomer.

Particularly Dixie who I think has very little chance. A lot of people expect her, but the boat has left in my opinion.

Spoiler

munchie64 has ESP

I've been found out!

 

[The Great Gonzales]

Honestly, Robin from FE:A would surprise me. Now that we've got an avatar-character like Villager (and quite possibly Mii,) Robin isn't impossible. But I fully expect Chrom to be the Awakening rep.

 

[Son Of D]

I'm definitely behind here. What characters were leaked in the Gematsu leak?

 

[theprodigy]

So at this point, the gematsu leak has me bummed, because all of them are a bit expected. Chorus men are the 'weird' one, but we were already expecting a 'weird' character.

What REASONABLE characters could he announce that would genuinely surprise you because you didn't think that he'd actually do it.

For me, toon zelda or tetra would be amazing, and with so many other people possible to be in the game, I'm not expecting them.

a non-Chrom Fire Emblem rep

 

[georly]

a non-Chrom Fire Emblem rep

That's a good one.

Roy coming back would also blow my mind. Pichu would give me a stroke.

I'm definitely behind here. What characters were leaked in the Gematsu leak?

First leak:

• Wii fit trainer
• Mega man
• Little Mac
• Pac man
• Villager
• Mii

Second leak:

• Shulk (Xenoblade)
• Palutena (Kid Icarus)
• Chrom (Fire Emblem: Awakening)
• Chorus Men (Rhythm Heaven)
• Pokemon from Pokemon X and Y

Only knocks against it are:

1. No mention of rosalina
2. Pokemon X/Y is too ambiguous. Implied pokemon trainer, but actually greninja.

The main reason everyone believes it is because he specifically called out all 3 from the initial reveal. Especially Wii Fit Trainer, being the completely unpredictable - mega man and villager were hoped for, but not fully expected, either. Especially not since mega man has basically been abandoned by capcom and sakurai outright declared that characters like villager wouldn't be suitable for smash bros.

 

[Beelzebufo]

So at this point, the gematsu leak has me bummed, because all of them are a bit expected. Chorus men are the 'weird' one, but we were already expecting a 'weird' character.

What REASONABLE characters could he announce that would genuinely surprise you because you didn't think that he'd actually do it.

For me, toon zelda or tetra would be amazing, and with so many other people possible to be in the game, I'm not expecting them.

Eh, I wouldn't be upset at all with Gematsu. I wasn't seriously expecting Shulk at all, and Chorus Men are pretty much the coolest character idea ever. I'd like Toon Zelda, but I expected her much more than I expected someone like Greninja would get in.

The newcomers all sound really solid, I'm actually more interested in seeing how the veterans work out at this point.

I'm definitely behind here. What characters were leaked in the Gematsu leak?

The remaining ones are Pacman, Mii, Shulk, Chrom, Palutena, and Chorus Men.

 

[Troubled Bat]

Two retro characters! Takamaru. ;_;

 

[Ryce]

I'm definitely behind here. What characters were leaked in the Gematsu leak?

Confirmed:
"Animal Crossing Guy" (Villager)
Mega Man
Wii Fit Trainer
Little Mac
"Pokémon from Pokémon X and Y" (Greninja)

Remaining:
Palutena
Chrom
Shulk
Chorus Men
Mii
Pac-Man

 

[theprodigy]

Confirmed:
First Leak
"Animal Crossing Guy" (Villager)
Mega Man
Wii Fit Trainer
Little Mac

Second Leak
"Pokémon from Pokémon X and Y" (Greninja)

Remaining:
First Leak
Mii
Pac-Man

Second Leak
Palutena
Chrom
Shulk
Chorus Men

separated the two leaks for clarity

as for the second leak, I'll believe it when Chorus guys get confirmed, even if all 3 of Palutena/Chrom/Shulk are confirmed I'm not buying the last one

 

[Kor of Memory]

So at this point, the gematsu leak has me bummed, because all of them are a bit expected. Chorus men are the 'weird' one, but we were already expecting a 'weird' character.

What REASONABLE characters could he announce that would genuinely surprise you because you didn't think that he'd actually do it.

For me, toon zelda or tetra would be amazing, and with so many other people possible to be in the game, I'm not expecting them.

Somewhat possible characters that could show up that aren't talked about on a regular basis.

Mach Rider - Mach Rider
Knuckles - Sonic the Hedgehog
Mona - WarioWare
Jill - Drill Dozer
Any Pokemon that isn't Mewtwo
Someone from Kid Icarus in addition to Palutena

 

[Boss Doggie]

I'm still wondering if said Chorus Men is actually Marshall.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Somewhat possible characters that could show up that aren't talked about on a regular basis.

Mach Rider - Mach Rider
Knuckles - Sonic the Hedgehog
Mona - WarioWare
Jill - Drill Dozer
Any Pokemon that isn't Mewtwo
Someone from Kid Icarus in addition to Palutena

I feel like almost none of those could show up as playable. They'd all make solid ATs though.

 

[georly]

I'm still wondering if said Chorus Men is actually Marshall.

Considering how vague "pokemon from x/y" was, it's possible it could be anything.

I feel like almost none of those could show up as playable. They'd all make solid ATs though.

Mach rider COULD have some of snake's movset if snake is indeed gone. Like captain falcon, she doesn't have much going for her (it's a she, right?), fighting-wise, so a lot could be made up.

 

[Baron von Loathsome]

separated the two leaks for clarity

as for the second leak, I'll believe it when Chorus guys get confirmed, even if all 3 of Palutena/Chrom/Shulk are confirmed I'm not buying the last one

I agree, it's the Rhythm Heaven rep that would confirm the second leak. The remaining three are all reasonable otherwise.

I'm still wondering if said Chorus Men is actually Marshall.

I think it could go either way. If either one is confirmed, that would confirm the second leak to me.

 

[DaBoss]

Treating the Gematsu leaks as one and the same is not the way to go. They are both separate leaks from the same person.

separated the two leaks for clarity

as for the second leak, I'll believe it when Chorus guys get confirmed, even if all 3 of Palutena/Chrom/Shulk are confirmed I'm not buying the last one

Thank you for making it accurate.

 

[Baron von Loathsome]

Treating the Gematsu leaks as one and the same is not the way to go. They are both separate leaks from the same person.

They're both separate leaks allegedly from the same person.

 

[georly]

Treating the Gematsu leaks as one and the same is not the way to go. They are both separate leaks from the same person.

Thank you for making it accurate.

Same source, though, right? They should definitely be split up, but it's from the same reporter who claims it's the same source.

Today, we received a new e-mail from the same tipster, who claims Pac-Man and Mii are still on the way, and the following characters will also appear:

 

[SenorArdilla]

Is there a list somewhere of Assist Trophies already shown?

 

[Beelzebufo]

They're both separate leaks allegedly from the same person.

There's no reason to doubt that they're the same person. They should also be combined for that reason.

Considering how vague "pokemon from x/y" was, it's possible it could be anything.
Mach rider COULD have some of snake's movset if snake is indeed gone. Like captain falcon, she doesn't have much going for her (it's a she, right?), fighting-wise, so a lot could be made up.

I think Mach rider is a guy, but I don't don't think he's that likely. I also doubt he'd get any of snakes moves, he needs the bike.

 

[DaBoss]

Just because it is from the same person doesn't mean it should be combined.

They're both separate leaks allegedly from the same person.

There is no reason that Gematsu/Sal Romano would lie. He even says it in the article.

Same source, though, right? They should definitely be split up, but it's from the same reporter who claims it's the same source.

I said that in my post?

I didn't say it didn't come from Gematsu.

 

[Codeblue]

Somewhat possible characters that could show up that aren't talked about on a regular basis.

Mach Rider - Mach Rider
Knuckles - Sonic the Hedgehog
Mona - WarioWare
Jill - Drill Dozer
Any Pokemon that isn't Mewtwo
Someone from Kid Icarus in addition to Palutena

Jill would be so great. No one played Drill Dozer and the character has been dormant since Brawl. Maybe in 20 years as a retro character...

 

[RomanceDawn]

So at this point, the gematsu leak has me bummed, because all of them are a bit expected. Chorus men are the 'weird' one, but we were already expecting a 'weird' character.

What REASONABLE characters could he announce that would genuinely surprise you because you didn't think that he'd actually do it.

For me, toon zelda or tetra would be amazing, and with so many other people possible to be in the game, I'm not expecting them.

Obviously for me Ridley but if he is definitely off the table then Dixie for sure. I mean if the Chorus Men leak is really all we are getting I would be absolutely shocked that Dixie wasn't included.

How many characters is that total including the leak?

1 - Mario
2 - Luigi
3 - Peach
4 - Bowser
5 - Rosalina & Luma
6 - Yoshi
7 - Wario

8 - Donkey Krock
9 - Diddy Kong

10 - Link
11 - Zelda
12 - Shiek
13 - Toon Link

14 - Kirby
15 - King Dedede

16 - Samus
17 - Zero Suit Samus

18 - Pikachu
19 - Lucario
20 - Charizard
21 - Greninja

22 - Marth
23 - Ike
25 - Chrom


26 - Fox

27- Pit
28 - Palutena

29 - Mega Man
30 - Sonic
31 - Pac Man

32 - Olimar
33 - Wii Fit Trainer
34 - Little Mac

35 - Shulk
36 - Chorus Men
37 - Mii

38 - Villager

So if we add in the super likely unconfirmed vets it would be...

39 - Falco
40 - Wolf
41 - Ness
42 - Lucas
43 - MetaKnight
44 - Captain Flacon
45 - Ganondorf
46 - Mr G&W
47 - ROB
48 - Snake
49 - Ice Climbers
50 - JigglyPuff

Yeah very plausible but we're breaking 50 for sure. Trust me, I know how these things work.

51 - Mewtwo
52 - Dixie Kong

 

[Beelzebufo]

Cut Snake out and you get an even 50 with that list (without Dixie).

Wait, no you wouldn't. You counted wrong. You only have 51 characters on that list, crossing out Snake gives 50 with Dixie.

 

[Ryce]

In any event, if the Gematsu leak(s) prove accurate, here are my expectations:

E3

Mii - I feel like Sakurai would need to explain these.

Pac-Man - All guest characters are revealed pre-release.

Shulk - Chrom seems likely to be hidden (see below), and 2/3 of the hidden newcomers being swordsmen seems a bit much. I suspect there will be an X blowout at E3, possibly confirming Shulk’s presence in the game, which would make this reveal a nice tie-in.

Hidden (not revealed until after release)

Chrom - Marth and Ike have already been revealed, and three Fire Emblem starters seems unlikely.

Palutena - A secondary character from a fairly small series.

Chorus Men - Before the leak, nobody would have expected this. Even though they aren’t retro, the Chorus Men are similar in spirit to G&W and R.O.B.

 

[rawktapus]

I'm still wondering if said Chorus Men is actually Marshall.

It could still be a trio, just including the pink and the blue one, I kind of hope it's those guys over the Chorus Men.

 

[Baron von Loathsome]

There's no reason to doubt that they're the same person. They should also be combined for that reason.

There is no reason that Gematsu/Sal Romano would lie. He even says it in the article.

It's still the biggest reason I'm more certain about the first leak than the second.

It could still be a trio, just including the pink and the blue one, I kind of hope it's those guys over the Chorus Men.

They could also be alt colors.

 

[Anth0ny]

I'm playing Smash 4 two weeks from now

Yaaaaaaay

 

[Codeblue]

There is no way Chrom isn't happening, unless Lucina shows up.

 

[theprodigy]

44 - Captain Flacon

who is this Captain Flacon fellow you speak of

 

[IntelliHeath]

Literally anybody. I truly believe the leaked newcomers are all we're getting.

Pretty much.

Is there a list somewhere of Assist Trophies already shown?

I have a link to the list in my OP. Check it under the list section.

 

[SenorArdilla]

Why assume that the roster is going to be a rectangle?

Pretty much.



I have a link to the list in my OP. Check it under the list section.

Alright. Thanks.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Why assume that the roster is going to be a rectangle?

Because it's a fairly safe assumption going on past games.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Why assume that the roster is going to be a rectangle?

I guess it's because of 64 and Brawl.

 

[Princess_Eevee9]

No one mentions this guy

Seriously, all of his moves are Smash material!

B - Spear Throw. Can be charged to throw up to three spears. Has a short meteor effect on airborne enemies.
Up B - Spear Copter. Sorta like Wii Fit Trainer's Hoola Hoop.
Side B - Spear Dash.
Down B - Spear Counter.

Because I wanta human from them this time.

hold on, we can work this into something that'll piss a lot of people off

I would like this.

 

[georly]

Why assume that the roster is going to be a rectangle?

Spheres!!!!!!!

As long as it's not a cylinder! Blech

Cool in theory, but lame, because you can't see everyone.

 

[Lord_Byron28]

separated the two leaks for clarity

as for the second leak, I'll believe it when Chorus guys get confirmed, even if all 3 of Palutena/Chrom/Shulk are confirmed I'm not buying the last one

The one that has me the most skeptical is Shulk of all characters. A one off character from a game that is very niche, wasn't internally developed, doesn't have a very unique playstyle (we have plenty of sword users) and likely won't get any sequels strikes me as odd. Then again Ness and Lucas got in Smash so who's to say Shulk won't; after all the developers do have history with Namco and it is a spiritual successor of a Namco franchise.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Because it's a fairly safe assumption going on past games.

Well, Melee didn't.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Well, Melee didn't.

Add in two Random spots and it is though.