TheKaeptain
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I only watch comic book movies because of my son. They're all the same and don't say anything. I literally don't understand how a grown up can feel anything more than entertained by them.
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I only watch comic book movies because of my son. They're all the same and don't say anything. I literally don't understand how a grown up can feel anything more than entertained by them.
I guess some people have stronger nostalgia.
Personally, I get invested in films as I watch them and have a good time.
Not all comic book movies are the same. It's easy to watch ASM2 and compare it to a generic popcorn flick, but all comic book movies? What about The Dark Knight or Spider-Man 2? Watchmen? Iron Man even? I can understand just enjoying superhero movies (which is what I think you mean because you would be surprised how many comic book movies are not about superheroes) as just entertainment, but it is pretty close-minded that you can't see how an adult could be invested in the struggles, tragedies and triumphs of these characters just because they wear a costume.
That sounds like something they'll use in ASM3. Only since Parker's parents were scientists instead of spies, he's now just the head of special projects who wants revenge on Richard for blowing the spider research. Thus the parent arch is brought into another movie.
I knew it was coming and still reacted to the scene. Like, "are they really going to do it?", "nah they won't", *snap* "whoa damn, I guess they did."
The scene was well done.
I want to see it again now.
TheKaeptain
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Yeah I'm talking about superhero movies.
Looked like blunt force trauma to the head. Hence the nosebleed.
I'm no doctor though! And I doubt the writers really did their research on it.
EDIT: Well, I never said I emotionally invested myself in all super hero movies. I do invest in them though, because I pay for them and they suck up 2 hours of my day. So hopefully they entertain me. With the right content though, any movie could have me invest in them emotionally. Superhero film or not. There are only a few superhero movies that pull it off well.
I disagree with them being all the same though, but don't care to debate about it.
I did enjoy the film a lot and I think Garfield played Peter really well this time. It definitely helped that it's a new story (compared to the other films), while the first one repeated a bunch of stuff we've seen in 2001. However, I also believe that all enemies were a bit underused. Since they didn't want to put more than one at a time, Harry Goblin and Rhino (this one expected) had way less time than they needed.
Edit: Thinking about it, it's better than Spider-Man 3 and TASM 1, at least. I'm not sure yet if it's better than Spider-Man 1, but definitely not better than Spider-Man 2, IMO.
Edit: Thinking about it, it's better than Spider-Man 3 and TASM 1, at least. I'm not sure yet if it's better than Spider-Man 1, but definitely not better than Spider-Man 2, IMO.
RangersFan
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Just saw it today.
As someone who has defended ASM against those who liked the Raimi trilogy better I am dissapoint in ASM2. It wasn't good. Though I think they did the Gwen Stacy death perfectly. It was well done visually and had all the emotion I would expect. Garfield in infinitely the better Spider-Man than Tobey. Emma Stone is infinitely better than Kirsten Dunst. All the problems with the film have been pointed out numerous times in this thread. Dane Dehaan was fantastic as Harry Osborn so seeing more of him as Green or Hobgoblin in Sinister SIx ASM3 or whatever's next should be interesting. But I think Sony has a hell of an uphill battle to draw people in to the Spidey universe for whatever comes next. They will need a killer script and story for their next film to win back the audiences after this stinker.
As someone who has defended ASM against those who liked the Raimi trilogy better I am dissapoint in ASM2. It wasn't good. Though I think they did the Gwen Stacy death perfectly. It was well done visually and had all the emotion I would expect. Garfield in infinitely the better Spider-Man than Tobey. Emma Stone is infinitely better than Kirsten Dunst. All the problems with the film have been pointed out numerous times in this thread. Dane Dehaan was fantastic as Harry Osborn so seeing more of him as Green or Hobgoblin in Sinister SIx ASM3 or whatever's next should be interesting. But I think Sony has a hell of an uphill battle to draw people in to the Spidey universe for whatever comes next. They will need a killer script and story for their next film to win back the audiences after this stinker.
I re-watched the original Amazing Spiderman last weekend followed not long after by a theatrical viewing of the second one.
The first film still suffers from some of the same issues I noted with it when I first watched it 2 years ago , it covers 95% of the same material as Raimi's first film but it does so in many ways with a weaker story. I have much respect for Mark Webb (I actually just finished watching the 2 hours of making of featurettes included on the bluray) and there are some things that work really well in the first film- mostly to do with spiderman and the action surrounding him. Almost any scene done by sony image works is fine too. Hell, I actually found the on screen romance between Gwen and Peter as portrayed by Emma and Andrew to be an improvement over Mcguire and Dunst. These are just likable charismatic actors. The central story though... from the spider bite happening simply because it had to.. uncle ben dying simply because he has to, dennis leary being a J Jonah stand in because he had to , Conners is LITERALLY the same bad guy as norman osborne - almost the same motivations , most of the same scenes made it into the final cut of the film and the pacing of the film follows a very similar flow. Despite some of those improved elements I mention above , I can't help but still gravitate towards Raimi's film as just feeling better. Sure, the action in Amazing is good but that doesn't mean the original is some kind of slouch. I can get behind the reason they rebooted the trilogy- no one really wanted to see the cast of Raimi's films doing another one when they were all in their mid 30's , his storyline was played out anyway. People born in 2000 were only 2 when that series started - now they are 14- prime age group to target a new series of films at. This film wasn't really for me but I liked it anyway, didn't love it but liked it.
.... that has to segue into the second film though. I'll just throw it out there- I didn't HATE Amazing Spiderman 2. It's a mess of a movie, perhaps moreso than even the much maligned Spider man 3 but most of it works in spite of itself. The opening plane sequence wraps up the backstory plot thread from ASM1 in a neat little bow , the story starts off with Peter still concerned about the end results of his actions in the past and , like before Andrew and Emma have fantastic on screen chemistry. Elektro is about half as developed as the fairly thin Sand Man from Raimi's third film but still works well enough in his first major encounter with spiderman. I was having a ton of fun watching the first 2/3rds of this movie. It genuinely has action that rivals the best parts of spiderman 2 and since the story in those early bits largely focuses on Peter and Gwen , it just works as a logical continuation of the first movie. What pulls it down hard and fast is Harry Osborne, they try and shoehorn in enough of a backstory there to get people to maybe care about Harry and Peters relationship as former good friends or something but it falls a bit flat. The overly busy corporate espionage plot line that is then introduced on top of everything else just pushes the movie too far into "nope" territory.
It goes downhill quite rapidly with each passing scene involving harry after that point. The plot convenience that his genetic disease is progressing super fast , he somehow figures out that spidermans blood might help, spiderman then needlessly needs to spend time redeeming his parents. The corporate espionage plot results in harry breaking elektro out of jail and again, how convenient that he injects magic goop into himself in the same room that the goblin glider is housed in.
All that stupid shit happens but at the same time there's a rather well done second fight with elektro, everything about it was fun to watch and it comes to a nice logical conclusion and everyone is happy and then... oh yeah all that other shit needs an ending I guess. Harry shows up so that he can drop Gwen and figure out that spiderman is peter and a very brief battle ensues and gwen dies. It all felt so pointless - I'd have cut everything about harry osborne out of this film. Just save him for the 3rd one. Change it up a bit so that elektro isn't quite the putz he is here and perhaps that final confrontation with him is what results in gwens death.
The worst part was actually after the whole green goblin cameo BS- 10 minutes of spider moping lead up to the super cheese ball idiocy that is a small child dressing up and running up to the Rhino, conveniently (ugh) spiderman comes out of his funk just in time to lay the hurt on Rhino only for the credits to get in the way. Oh and also, Harry is sent to the same prison as Elektro for ... reasons ? despite his clearly successful murder , he's alive and running the secret oscorp division housing the room I'll call "the villain of the week showcase". I realize they are trying to set up the sinister six on screen but it was just a ton of crap to cram into the film all at the end. I was annoyed that spiderman 3 went down that road but I'm actually MORE annoyed they failed to learn why they shouldn't do that shit with this one. It's been 7 years.
I suspect the next one will be a mess from beginning to end , the best part is now gone (emma stone). But hey, I'm part of the problem and will likely see it anyway.
The first film still suffers from some of the same issues I noted with it when I first watched it 2 years ago , it covers 95% of the same material as Raimi's first film but it does so in many ways with a weaker story. I have much respect for Mark Webb (I actually just finished watching the 2 hours of making of featurettes included on the bluray) and there are some things that work really well in the first film- mostly to do with spiderman and the action surrounding him. Almost any scene done by sony image works is fine too. Hell, I actually found the on screen romance between Gwen and Peter as portrayed by Emma and Andrew to be an improvement over Mcguire and Dunst. These are just likable charismatic actors. The central story though... from the spider bite happening simply because it had to.. uncle ben dying simply because he has to, dennis leary being a J Jonah stand in because he had to , Conners is LITERALLY the same bad guy as norman osborne - almost the same motivations , most of the same scenes made it into the final cut of the film and the pacing of the film follows a very similar flow. Despite some of those improved elements I mention above , I can't help but still gravitate towards Raimi's film as just feeling better. Sure, the action in Amazing is good but that doesn't mean the original is some kind of slouch. I can get behind the reason they rebooted the trilogy- no one really wanted to see the cast of Raimi's films doing another one when they were all in their mid 30's , his storyline was played out anyway. People born in 2000 were only 2 when that series started - now they are 14- prime age group to target a new series of films at. This film wasn't really for me but I liked it anyway, didn't love it but liked it.
.... that has to segue into the second film though. I'll just throw it out there- I didn't HATE Amazing Spiderman 2. It's a mess of a movie, perhaps moreso than even the much maligned Spider man 3 but most of it works in spite of itself. The opening plane sequence wraps up the backstory plot thread from ASM1 in a neat little bow , the story starts off with Peter still concerned about the end results of his actions in the past and , like before Andrew and Emma have fantastic on screen chemistry. Elektro is about half as developed as the fairly thin Sand Man from Raimi's third film but still works well enough in his first major encounter with spiderman. I was having a ton of fun watching the first 2/3rds of this movie. It genuinely has action that rivals the best parts of spiderman 2 and since the story in those early bits largely focuses on Peter and Gwen , it just works as a logical continuation of the first movie. What pulls it down hard and fast is Harry Osborne, they try and shoehorn in enough of a backstory there to get people to maybe care about Harry and Peters relationship as former good friends or something but it falls a bit flat. The overly busy corporate espionage plot line that is then introduced on top of everything else just pushes the movie too far into "nope" territory.
It goes downhill quite rapidly with each passing scene involving harry after that point. The plot convenience that his genetic disease is progressing super fast , he somehow figures out that spidermans blood might help, spiderman then needlessly needs to spend time redeeming his parents. The corporate espionage plot results in harry breaking elektro out of jail and again, how convenient that he injects magic goop into himself in the same room that the goblin glider is housed in.
All that stupid shit happens but at the same time there's a rather well done second fight with elektro, everything about it was fun to watch and it comes to a nice logical conclusion and everyone is happy and then... oh yeah all that other shit needs an ending I guess. Harry shows up so that he can drop Gwen and figure out that spiderman is peter and a very brief battle ensues and gwen dies. It all felt so pointless - I'd have cut everything about harry osborne out of this film. Just save him for the 3rd one. Change it up a bit so that elektro isn't quite the putz he is here and perhaps that final confrontation with him is what results in gwens death.
The worst part was actually after the whole green goblin cameo BS- 10 minutes of spider moping lead up to the super cheese ball idiocy that is a small child dressing up and running up to the Rhino, conveniently (ugh) spiderman comes out of his funk just in time to lay the hurt on Rhino only for the credits to get in the way. Oh and also, Harry is sent to the same prison as Elektro for ... reasons ? despite his clearly successful murder , he's alive and running the secret oscorp division housing the room I'll call "the villain of the week showcase". I realize they are trying to set up the sinister six on screen but it was just a ton of crap to cram into the film all at the end. I was annoyed that spiderman 3 went down that road but I'm actually MORE annoyed they failed to learn why they shouldn't do that shit with this one. It's been 7 years.
I suspect the next one will be a mess from beginning to end , the best part is now gone (emma stone). But hey, I'm part of the problem and will likely see it anyway.
digoutyoursoul
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Took my nephew to see it today, not impressed. I feel it's a shame as their is talent in the cast but the script is a mess, the pacing is terrible and it just feels disjointed and lacking character. I didn't enjoy the first one much either. I know a lot of these summer blockbusters aren't exactly the pinnacle of film making but to me we seem to be getting more and more utter crap as the years go by.
The past few years especially I've been disappointed more and more than I have been pleased with these summer releases. I feel there is a lack of talent in the writing/ director department .
The past few years especially I've been disappointed more and more than I have been pleased with these summer releases. I feel there is a lack of talent in the writing/ director department .
The Driver
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Just saw this with family after having zero initial interest. I knew this would be bad to say the least.
Andrew Garfield is probably a better Peter Parker/Spider-Man than Tobey Maguire.
Emma Stone is probably a better Mary Jane than she is a Gwen Stacy, and still managed to be better than Kirsten Dunst regardless.
You have two good-to-great actors holding this series down. Why do these movies fucking suck so much?
Honestly I walked out of this depressed, not only for Gwen's death and aftermath, which is probably the only scene in the movie handled well and capable of stirring any emotion instead of causing your eyes to glaze over, but because it saddens me so much that probably my favorite superhero right alongside Batman is tied down at a studio that makes movies by commitee like there's a checklist to hit for a Spider-Man movie. I'm still in doubt Webb is right for the job either, but I still feel for the guy that he has to pump this shit out.
It's so sad that Spider-Man has been reduced to this franchise farm, getting milked as hard as possible to parcel out all these little tidbits for future sequels at the expense of the current film. I know this material, there is such a good movie in here, with this cast even, and it's just WASTED on hollow name dropping and set up.
I don't even have a sense of accomplishment knowing this was gonna suck. I'm just so disappointed that this is what we are stuck with, this is how the world gets to see one of the most iconic Spider-Man moments, wrapped in a piece of shit winkfest.
Side note: we are now 3 for 3 this summer with Captain America, this, and Godzilla giving away their final moments in their respective marketing campaigns. Nice.
Andrew Garfield is probably a better Peter Parker/Spider-Man than Tobey Maguire.
Emma Stone is probably a better Mary Jane than she is a Gwen Stacy, and still managed to be better than Kirsten Dunst regardless.
You have two good-to-great actors holding this series down. Why do these movies fucking suck so much?
Honestly I walked out of this depressed, not only for Gwen's death and aftermath, which is probably the only scene in the movie handled well and capable of stirring any emotion instead of causing your eyes to glaze over, but because it saddens me so much that probably my favorite superhero right alongside Batman is tied down at a studio that makes movies by commitee like there's a checklist to hit for a Spider-Man movie. I'm still in doubt Webb is right for the job either, but I still feel for the guy that he has to pump this shit out.
It's so sad that Spider-Man has been reduced to this franchise farm, getting milked as hard as possible to parcel out all these little tidbits for future sequels at the expense of the current film. I know this material, there is such a good movie in here, with this cast even, and it's just WASTED on hollow name dropping and set up.
I don't even have a sense of accomplishment knowing this was gonna suck. I'm just so disappointed that this is what we are stuck with, this is how the world gets to see one of the most iconic Spider-Man moments, wrapped in a piece of shit winkfest.
Side note: we are now 3 for 3 this summer with Captain America, this, and Godzilla giving away their final moments in their respective marketing campaigns. Nice.
In Indiana we went through three seasons in just a day last month.
Poofynamanama
Banned
both amazing spiderman trailers have spoiled the last shot of each movie. i don't get it
Sugar daddy?
No, they'll bring her back as Ultimate Carnage.
A clone Gwen as carnage would be nice to see.
They had twins from an affair before it was in Sins past.
Crazyorloco
Member
I expected a nice rhino battle. The ending was horrible especially if you saw the rhino trailer. I thought "that's it?"
I thought electro was ok, but when he died it felt like he was an afterthough. The majority of the film was on him. And he went away so quickly. It felt like filler material.
Lots of cheesy stuff in the movie but it helped to think of it as a comic book come to life. I enjoy this. I prefer Garfield as spiderman more than tobey.
Gwen/Peter/Spiderman were great. I'm going to miss Gwen.
I thought electro was ok, but when he died it felt like he was an afterthough. The majority of the film was on him. And he went away so quickly. It felt like filler material.
Lots of cheesy stuff in the movie but it helped to think of it as a comic book come to life. I enjoy this. I prefer Garfield as spiderman more than tobey.
Gwen/Peter/Spiderman were great. I'm going to miss Gwen.
Mike Double U
Banned
I really hope they opt for Felicia and Peter over Mary Jane and Peter. At least with the next movie.
Shining Sunshine
Banned
Wuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuttt!!!?
I totally bought into the whole "We're not going to kill Gwen Stacy", cuz Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone are so good together.
Wtf am I going to look forward to in the next movie?
Good thing I didn't get spoiled.
I totally bought into the whole "We're not going to kill Gwen Stacy", cuz Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone are so good together.
Wtf am I going to look forward to in the next movie?
Good thing I didn't get spoiled.
twilitesparklemotion
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I was happy to see less Rhino, as that would have been yet another fucking character.
As others have said, good material (cast + action + CG), but way too fucking bloated.
As others have said, good material (cast + action + CG), but way too fucking bloated.
Shining Sunshine
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I hope Mary Jane is Red Head Emma Stone.
ThatObviousUser
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Saw it tonight and... I kinda liked it. I kinda really liked it. It's almost definitely a case of lowered expectations, as when it seemed like the movie was terrible (and I wasn't so hot on it leading up to release anyways) I basically spoiled myself on most of the movie. However, where as internet posts are hyperbolic and filled with vitriol, the actual scenes themselves were fairly inoffensive. The plane shit was pretty shitty but it was like 2 minutes of screentime at most.
And even though I knew what was going to happen, that final fight was TENSE AS FUCK.
I will say probably 50% of my enjoyment might have been just for Spidey's suit. Love it. How they went from the putrid dogshit in ASM to the best suit of all five movies in this one is pretty astounding.
The music was dope too. People were ragging on the Electro theme but I think it's pretty fucking awesome. Spider-Man's theme is kinda eh, I mean it's good but it leans too heavily on the heroic brass and creates a disconnect with whatever music comes before and after it.
Loved a lot of the little touches. JJ Gmail-ing Peter, Peter using Google instead of Bing, the firefighter hat and the outfit when he was sick, etc. Great scenes.
I was all prepared for Spider-douche again but I actually sympathized with Peter a lot in this one. I like Andrew Garfield a lot, but his Peter in ASM1 came off like an asswipe to me. But in this one he actually nuts up and breaks it off with Gwen early in the film. Then it's HER that reaches out to him to be "friends." What happens to her is on both of them equally IMO even with Peter's promise to her dad.
And man did I love the mouth on Spidey in this movie. And the websinging. Oh man. If they had made two hours just of that I would have been happy. Never have I wanted to be a superhero more. Might pick up the apparently shitty ASM2 game just to simulate that.
Electro wasn't quite Nigma levels of bad, I thought he was setup pretty well and his turn during the confrontation in Times Square was pretty convincing. The team up with Harry wasn't NEARLY as awful as the Sandman/Venom teamup in SM3, it flowed at least somewhat logically.
Aunt May had more of a role than I thought she would, which was nice. They didn't use her "Secrets have a cost... the truth does too" line from the trailers though. WTF? In fact a lot of the footage/lines was different. I guess that's the downside of putting a cut of practically every scene into the trailer.
My only complaint is that Spidey's "retirement" felt pretty short. I'm not sure what they could have shuffled around to make his comeback more triumphant, or if his comeback should have been moved to the next film for that matter, but it was somewhat unsatisfying.
This might be my second-favorite Spidey flick.
And even though I knew what was going to happen, that final fight was TENSE AS FUCK.
I will say probably 50% of my enjoyment might have been just for Spidey's suit. Love it. How they went from the putrid dogshit in ASM to the best suit of all five movies in this one is pretty astounding.
The music was dope too. People were ragging on the Electro theme but I think it's pretty fucking awesome. Spider-Man's theme is kinda eh, I mean it's good but it leans too heavily on the heroic brass and creates a disconnect with whatever music comes before and after it.
Loved a lot of the little touches. JJ Gmail-ing Peter, Peter using Google instead of Bing, the firefighter hat and the outfit when he was sick, etc. Great scenes.
I was all prepared for Spider-douche again but I actually sympathized with Peter a lot in this one. I like Andrew Garfield a lot, but his Peter in ASM1 came off like an asswipe to me. But in this one he actually nuts up and breaks it off with Gwen early in the film. Then it's HER that reaches out to him to be "friends." What happens to her is on both of them equally IMO even with Peter's promise to her dad.
And man did I love the mouth on Spidey in this movie. And the websinging. Oh man. If they had made two hours just of that I would have been happy. Never have I wanted to be a superhero more. Might pick up the apparently shitty ASM2 game just to simulate that.
Electro wasn't quite Nigma levels of bad, I thought he was setup pretty well and his turn during the confrontation in Times Square was pretty convincing. The team up with Harry wasn't NEARLY as awful as the Sandman/Venom teamup in SM3, it flowed at least somewhat logically.
Aunt May had more of a role than I thought she would, which was nice. They didn't use her "Secrets have a cost... the truth does too" line from the trailers though. WTF? In fact a lot of the footage/lines was different. I guess that's the downside of putting a cut of practically every scene into the trailer.
My only complaint is that Spidey's "retirement" felt pretty short. I'm not sure what they could have shuffled around to make his comeback more triumphant, or if his comeback should have been moved to the next film for that matter, but it was somewhat unsatisfying.
This might be my second-favorite Spidey flick.
So I just came back from watching the movie and urm it's okay but could have been much better. I loved the fight scene though, especially the final battle with Electro and the Green Goblin.
I also felt that Gwen's death was done perfectly and that neck snapping noise made me go oooh.
I just wish they did more with Aunt May being a Nurse subplot, it just felt there as does the character, I don't feel a connection between her and Peter.
One more thing, it got real annoying seeing all the Sony product placement.
I also felt that Gwen's death was done perfectly and that neck snapping noise made me go oooh.
I just wish they did more with Aunt May being a Nurse subplot, it just felt there as does the character, I don't feel a connection between her and Peter.
One more thing, it got real annoying seeing all the Sony product placement.
thecouncil
Banned
Pretty sure that noise was a thud. Her head hitting the ground.
Zoe
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I heard it as her neck or back snapping.
ThatObviousUser
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I didn't hear a snap. She bounced off the ground before the web got to her.
neurosisxeno
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I also noticed the scene with Harry and Peter talking where he reveals Oscorp had him under surveillance was nowhere in the movie. Was surprised how many scenes from the trailer were cut from the final movie.
And his "we can LITERALLY change the world!"
Saw this movie today and I genuinely enjoyed it. Maybe it was because I went in with low expectations from reviews/friend impressions, but I liked the film waaaay more than the first. The story was fun, the fights were all intense and cool, and CW teenage romance aside, Garfield and Emma Stone had great chemistry. I'm excited for the third.
I was also kind of surprised by how many trailer scenes were cut from the film, for the best though I think--same with the Mary Jane scenes, she doesn't really fit in this film.
I was also kind of surprised by how many trailer scenes were cut from the film, for the best though I think--same with the Mary Jane scenes, she doesn't really fit in this film.
Dragonborn
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They completely wasted Gwen Stacey's death by using it in such a bad movie. I liked the first one (though not as much as the originals), but this one just dropped the ball. I didn't like how they handled Harry, I hated the character designs, the general plot felt too simple and convenient (could they not have tried being subtle about forshadowing Gwen's death?). Sony needs to let this one go bsck to Marvel (yea I know that's never happening).
I honestly wonder why tey have such a hard time making a good movie
I honestly wonder why tey have such a hard time making a good movie
Went in for Godzilla but the tickets were sold out so...why not. I saw this instead. Honestly I had very low expectations and so I was pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed the film. I thought it was pretty bloated with the Peter/Gwen scenes but they made the ending very powerful. I'm really not familiar enough with Spider Man to suspect Gwen would die and damn did it make me cringe when her head hit the ground. So, though the Peter/Gwen moments were a bit on the much side, they served well with the death scene. People were crying in the theater when she died. It was well done. Action scenes were all very intense and I really liked electro, and Harry's snarky nature was amusing. Liked this one a whole lot better than the first and the setup for future movies has even got me interested in movie 3.
I saw this last night, only because it was free. I wasn't even going to Redbox it because it looked terrible and I didn't really like the first one.
But oh me oh my was this one of the most enjoyable so bad it is good movies I've seen in a long time. It's SO stupid. It borders on Schumacher Batman. The acting/dialogue was so hammy and bad. EVERYTHING about Electro, both pre and post transformation, was hilariously awful. So much bad hair in the movie. It's like a season of a cartoon condensed into one movie, with none of the episodes being connected at all.
Electro: Let's first start with Jamie Foxx basically being Jerry Lewis in the Nutty Professor. Every nerd trope possible. I particularly like that he has a comb over with white guy hair. He appears to be a paranoid schizophrenic and possibly having some kind of mental retardation, despite having what seems like an engineer position at Oscorp. He was left completely alone to work on very dangerous electrical issue, even though he isn't an electrician. He falls pretty easily into the secret area. Despite holding electrical cables, he doesn't die from the electrocution even before he is bitten by modified electric eels. He's immediately transformed and the director makes sure to show us that the eels straighten the gab in his teeth for no reason. It was amazing. Later on, he's captured and an evil German doctor who listens to classical music while containing him gives him a pair of boxers, which somehow appear and vanish when ever he travels or changes form. The same goes for his suit he gets later in the movie with no explanation and has lighting bolts on both arms. Takes time during his fight to play Itsy Bitsy Spider on high tech tesla coils.
Harry: Giant douche bag with a terrible comb forward. Has a real chip on his shoulder. His dying dad gives him some wacky thing, but doesn't explain what it does, so Harry accidentally stumbles upon what Norman wanted him to know instead of Norman just TELLING his son this information or how to access it. He takes over the company, but is fired shortly after by a real dick head. He wants Spiderman's blood to heal his genetic disease, with no idea how or why that would work. Can't get it, so he goes to get Electro and apparently both are in agreement that they're going to kill Spiderman even though Electro at least should have no idea that Harry has an issue with Spiderman. He takes the venom serum and turns into the Green Goblin. He figures out Peter's secret, but doesn't tell anyone.
Dick Parker: Uses his own genetics in the trails, making any benefits of his research available only to his family line. Also uses a modern Vaio and in flight wifi on a plane in 2002 and has a secret lab in an abandoned subway, which has full power, test subjects, and an online connected PC that have all been on for 12 years or so. Totally continues the penis named conventions in his family.
Peter Parker/Spiderman: Apparently repeatedly breaks up with Gwen over his guilt of being responsible for her father's death. Repeatedly gets back together with her anyway. Completely forgets about finding out about Uncle Ben's killer. Becomes a straight up creepy stalker of Gwen, which Gwen somehow finds endearing. Is very conflicted very often. Cries a lot. Has a weirdly sexual scene with Aunt May. Is unappreciative of Aunt May until she calls him out on it. Has terrible Googling skills. Pretty directly responsible for Gwen dying. Instead of just telling Harry that he couldn't get a hold of Spiderman, he goes to Harry AS Spiderman to tell him he can't have his blood. Can't decide if he is going to be super punny or super sad. Apparently doesn't realize that he would have killed Gwen even if she didn't hit her head on the ground. And it is his fault the webbing was cut in the first place.
Gwen Stacy: Repeatedly breaks up and gets back together with Peter. Finds his stalking endearing. Knows all about the power grid and plant despite being an intern at Oscorp.
Aunt May: Is embarrassed to tell Peter she's working to be a nurse, for no reason that I can see. Because he'll worry about her...getting a well paying job? I don't know. It had absolutely nothing to do with anything else in the movie besides a shot of her in the hospital when the power went out, which was pretty much the same purpose Mrs. Brody played in Godzilla.
Oscorp: They hire teenagers to do serious work. They hire apparent paranoid schizophrenic possibly autistic engineers who also do serious electric work with no supervision or safety precautions. Has large tubs of water just hanging around in between massive high tech Tesla coils. Has a special hidden program labeled...Special Projects. Password is likely "Keepout". Has an evil German mad scientist hanging out in the basement.
Norman Osborn: Has a terrible genetic disease that is killing him and wants his son to carry on research. Instead of telling him how, he gives him a weird USB thing that Harry has no idea how to open until he accidentally puts it down on a table that brings up holograms. May have actually infected Harry and was suffering from effects of the toxin instead of a genetic disease. Leaves his company to a 20 year old with no experience or back up plans for when lawyers oust him from power.
General odds and ends: Despite Spideryguy still being a vigilante and a fugitive who is responsible for the death of the chief of police, police and firemen work with him and sometimes take orders from him. Police shoot at a weird blue guy not being hostile and trying to make that as clear as he can. Spiderman's webs now have their own little hands. The world somehow doesn't make the connection that Oscorp is bad even after the events of the first movie and now the second movie where Oscorp logos are on the Rhino mecha and Goblin stuff. And the Green Goblin is Norman's son. What happened to crime in the 6 months (or more, maybe) that Peter was mourning Gwen? The general tone of the movie frequently flip flops from super serious to Adam West Batman, sometimes in the same scene. There is no over all plot and instead are four-five mini plots that really have nothing at all to do with each other. There are 3 straight up music videos to fill time. Only one of them was really a montage that got any story points summed up quickly.
Almost every scene has a legitimate factor of "this makes no sense" or "that's really stupid". It's great. It's the dumbest and most fun bad movie I've seen in a long time.
But oh me oh my was this one of the most enjoyable so bad it is good movies I've seen in a long time. It's SO stupid. It borders on Schumacher Batman. The acting/dialogue was so hammy and bad. EVERYTHING about Electro, both pre and post transformation, was hilariously awful. So much bad hair in the movie. It's like a season of a cartoon condensed into one movie, with none of the episodes being connected at all.
Electro: Let's first start with Jamie Foxx basically being Jerry Lewis in the Nutty Professor. Every nerd trope possible. I particularly like that he has a comb over with white guy hair. He appears to be a paranoid schizophrenic and possibly having some kind of mental retardation, despite having what seems like an engineer position at Oscorp. He was left completely alone to work on very dangerous electrical issue, even though he isn't an electrician. He falls pretty easily into the secret area. Despite holding electrical cables, he doesn't die from the electrocution even before he is bitten by modified electric eels. He's immediately transformed and the director makes sure to show us that the eels straighten the gab in his teeth for no reason. It was amazing. Later on, he's captured and an evil German doctor who listens to classical music while containing him gives him a pair of boxers, which somehow appear and vanish when ever he travels or changes form. The same goes for his suit he gets later in the movie with no explanation and has lighting bolts on both arms. Takes time during his fight to play Itsy Bitsy Spider on high tech tesla coils.
Harry: Giant douche bag with a terrible comb forward. Has a real chip on his shoulder. His dying dad gives him some wacky thing, but doesn't explain what it does, so Harry accidentally stumbles upon what Norman wanted him to know instead of Norman just TELLING his son this information or how to access it. He takes over the company, but is fired shortly after by a real dick head. He wants Spiderman's blood to heal his genetic disease, with no idea how or why that would work. Can't get it, so he goes to get Electro and apparently both are in agreement that they're going to kill Spiderman even though Electro at least should have no idea that Harry has an issue with Spiderman. He takes the venom serum and turns into the Green Goblin. He figures out Peter's secret, but doesn't tell anyone.
Dick Parker: Uses his own genetics in the trails, making any benefits of his research available only to his family line. Also uses a modern Vaio and in flight wifi on a plane in 2002 and has a secret lab in an abandoned subway, which has full power, test subjects, and an online connected PC that have all been on for 12 years or so. Totally continues the penis named conventions in his family.
Peter Parker/Spiderman: Apparently repeatedly breaks up with Gwen over his guilt of being responsible for her father's death. Repeatedly gets back together with her anyway. Completely forgets about finding out about Uncle Ben's killer. Becomes a straight up creepy stalker of Gwen, which Gwen somehow finds endearing. Is very conflicted very often. Cries a lot. Has a weirdly sexual scene with Aunt May. Is unappreciative of Aunt May until she calls him out on it. Has terrible Googling skills. Pretty directly responsible for Gwen dying. Instead of just telling Harry that he couldn't get a hold of Spiderman, he goes to Harry AS Spiderman to tell him he can't have his blood. Can't decide if he is going to be super punny or super sad. Apparently doesn't realize that he would have killed Gwen even if she didn't hit her head on the ground. And it is his fault the webbing was cut in the first place.
Gwen Stacy: Repeatedly breaks up and gets back together with Peter. Finds his stalking endearing. Knows all about the power grid and plant despite being an intern at Oscorp.
Aunt May: Is embarrassed to tell Peter she's working to be a nurse, for no reason that I can see. Because he'll worry about her...getting a well paying job? I don't know. It had absolutely nothing to do with anything else in the movie besides a shot of her in the hospital when the power went out, which was pretty much the same purpose Mrs. Brody played in Godzilla.
Oscorp: They hire teenagers to do serious work. They hire apparent paranoid schizophrenic possibly autistic engineers who also do serious electric work with no supervision or safety precautions. Has large tubs of water just hanging around in between massive high tech Tesla coils. Has a special hidden program labeled...Special Projects. Password is likely "Keepout". Has an evil German mad scientist hanging out in the basement.
Norman Osborn: Has a terrible genetic disease that is killing him and wants his son to carry on research. Instead of telling him how, he gives him a weird USB thing that Harry has no idea how to open until he accidentally puts it down on a table that brings up holograms. May have actually infected Harry and was suffering from effects of the toxin instead of a genetic disease. Leaves his company to a 20 year old with no experience or back up plans for when lawyers oust him from power.
General odds and ends: Despite Spideryguy still being a vigilante and a fugitive who is responsible for the death of the chief of police, police and firemen work with him and sometimes take orders from him. Police shoot at a weird blue guy not being hostile and trying to make that as clear as he can. Spiderman's webs now have their own little hands. The world somehow doesn't make the connection that Oscorp is bad even after the events of the first movie and now the second movie where Oscorp logos are on the Rhino mecha and Goblin stuff. And the Green Goblin is Norman's son. What happened to crime in the 6 months (or more, maybe) that Peter was mourning Gwen? The general tone of the movie frequently flip flops from super serious to Adam West Batman, sometimes in the same scene. There is no over all plot and instead are four-five mini plots that really have nothing at all to do with each other. There are 3 straight up music videos to fill time. Only one of them was really a montage that got any story points summed up quickly.
Almost every scene has a legitimate factor of "this makes no sense" or "that's really stupid". It's great. It's the dumbest and most fun bad movie I've seen in a long time.
re-watched raimis spider-man the other day
and while i think that cry baby parker is a bit talent/emotion/life-less the film is alot better than asm1 or 2. william dafoe and jonah jay joseph jabberwocky jamieson probably attribute to that quite a bit.
though what bugs me is right at the end at normans funeral where peter, harry and mj are there mj just makes out with peter right in front of harry at his dads funeral. what a dick move.
and while i think that cry baby parker is a bit talent/emotion/life-less the film is alot better than asm1 or 2. william dafoe and jonah jay joseph jabberwocky jamieson probably attribute to that quite a bit.
though what bugs me is right at the end at normans funeral where peter, harry and mj are there mj just makes out with peter right in front of harry at his dads funeral. what a dick move.
dem nips tho
Yeah while I enjoyed the action/cinematography of this film, the script was indeed awful... and the Raimi trilogy is still king. It's too bad really, the actors and camera work are both amazing, the damn film just needs a good story and script. For the love of god, dump the fucking Orci/Kurtzmann clowns, Sony please.
Also lack of a good JJ really hurts. It's like they completely gave up any hope of measuring up to JK Simmons' JJ, so they resorted to those shitty copout texts. Just get the same damn actor, he's just too perfect for that role.
I had a sudden urge to rewatch the old trilogy after leaving the theater lol.
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I don't know. I thought this movie blew away all the previous SM movies. :shrug:
Spider-Man 1 was a little weak, SM2 was fantastic, and 3 was fucking dogshit.
ASM was pretty good. This one was my favorite of all, and did the best job of capturing the comics' vibe. Plus the Goblin/Gwen/Spidey scene at the end was....amazing
Spider-Man 1 was a little weak, SM2 was fantastic, and 3 was fucking dogshit.
ASM was pretty good. This one was my favorite of all, and did the best job of capturing the comics' vibe. Plus the Goblin/Gwen/Spidey scene at the end was....amazing
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