I wonder why there's never been a dedicated BC stage before.
Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 8: Put mii in, coach
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I wonder why there's never been a dedicated BC stage before.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
yay, bah stage!
on a related note I'd want full info on Wii Fit Trainer and Greninja gameplay
on a related note I'd want full info on Wii Fit Trainer and Greninja gameplay
OricWindstar
Member
Probably because Metroid hogs all the lava stages. But, man, a Super Mario World-esque Bowser's Castle (with the music!) would be amazing.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Don't see why either one of the Bowser castle levels or his amusement park levels from 3DWorld wouldn't work if it wasn't too recent a release for Sakurai to know anything about. Hope this track gets snuck in either way at least.
A Link to the Past
Banned
I've always wished that they would just do a Doom Ship stage for Bowser.
SliceSabre
Banned
Ahh shifting stages, my favorite kind of stage. A great update and the base stage looks so awesome with a shoutout to Kamek as a cherry on top.
A Link to the Past
Banned
We are, it's called FD mode.
Though I understand to an extent, it'd be better if it wasn't all-or-nothing.I find Smash heaps more fun with gimmicks on stages.
FD and For Glory seems fit for you then.
SliceSabre
Banned
Hot Coldman
Banned
fuck Final Destination
what's so hard about just having a "turn off stage hazards" option, the game has literally EVERY OTHER VARIABLE covered in the match settings
what's so hard about just having a "turn off stage hazards" option, the game has literally EVERY OTHER VARIABLE covered in the match settings
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Didn't Sakurai say somewhere they went off Brawl's wifi records and found most people played with items off in final destination?
Not to defend For-Glory's set up, but I can accept rather than the developers simply taking that meme at face-value they were trying to work off off what the trend was online last time. They probably should've also taken into account how limited Brawl's online offerings were last time though.
SliceSabre
Banned
Its called FD variation. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it not an option.
OricWindstar
Member
Any 3D World music would be great. The Bullet Bill Train going through Bowser World would be amazing!
SkullHydra
Member
Dang. My avatar bet was just one update too soon. XD
Pic of the day. Here's a new Wii U stage, Mushroom Kingdom U! It brings to life the worlds of New Super Mario Bros. U.
When Kamek casts a spell, the stage transforms drastically! That said, this is not what you would call a moving stage
By the way, this stage will be playable in the demo version of the game for E3, a game expo that starts on June 10 in Los Angeles.
Waluigilicious
Member
NSMB U is beautilful. Such a shame it wasn't the first game in the NSMB series.
I really like both, but Pikmin 3 is the better game. One of the Wii U's best. Unless you're particularly big on NSMB, I wouldn't recommend it over Pikmin. You should still play both, though!
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
You know... it's sad that Japan isn't having any demos...
MaverickHunterAsh
Member
Oh man, Mushroom Kingdom U looks sick. New Super Mario Bros. U had a great look to it -- really glad they're dedicating a Mario stage to that game. About time we had a new Wii U stage! Can't wait to demo the stage at E3 next week.
Still no new Kirby or Star Fox stage, though... curious.
That would be awesome! My vote would be for the Wily Marine Base from Mega Man III for the epic music alone.
Still no new Kirby or Star Fox stage, though... curious.
That would be awesome! My vote would be for the Wily Marine Base from Mega Man III for the epic music alone.
But no tears spared for Europe?
Pic of the day. Here's a new Wii U stage, Mushroom Kingdom U! It brings to life the worlds of New Super Mario Bros. U.
When Kamek casts a spell, the stage transforms drastically! That said, this is not what you would call a moving stage
By the way, this stage will be playable in the demo version of the game for E3, a game expo that starts on June 10 in Los Angeles.
That is really sick. Super looking forward to this stage <3
Hot Coldman
Banned
It's an option. I'm asking for more options, not better ones.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Even a simple 'no boss' option would make a lot of those regular stages competitively viable without having an FD-make over. Since it's still six months away, there's a tiny bit of hope Sakurai's able to get some feedback from tourney players about the game, and For Glory mode's botched execution should be at the top of the list.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Diprosalic
Banned
i hope they include non stage hazard versions of each stage too.
so far, outside of BF and FD and all it's variants no stage really looks good for 1v1.
so far, outside of BF and FD and all it's variants no stage really looks good for 1v1.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
To me the big difference is all the elements on-screen are in 3D, so everything mesh's together nicely. Every NSMB always looks slightly 'off' to me by default since you have these 3D models interacting with pre-rendered 2D sprites. Same issue I had with Episode 1 of Sonic 4.
Apparently because reasons. I don't get it either.
Well I see BF as stage with platforms and no hazards which is what most stages would be if you turned hazards off.I never said anything about Battlefield.
Well, I mean, consulting the opinions of actual tourney players about a mode that is apparently targeted towards them seems like a pretty good idea to me. Not sure I'd trust them to balance characters or anything, but I wouldn't mind seeing someone change Sakurai's mind on the diversity of For Glory mode.
Hot Coldman
Banned
What does "more viable" mean? Why is it always a "they're taking our game" thing? It's just more options. The entire argument is "I would like to see them add this one more thing on top of the existing game".
Nope. Not true. Moving platforms, number of platforms, size of the stage, size of the platforms, transformations - all these things and more have been welcomed into competitive Smash, and play a huge part in determining match-ups.
The difference between, say, Battlefield and Fountain of Dreams is very much real!
Nope. Not true. Moving platforms, number of platforms, size of the stage, size of the platforms, transformations - all these things and more have been welcomed into competitive Smash, and play a huge part in determining match-ups.
The difference between, say, Battlefield and Fountain of Dreams is very much real!
DICKS AHOY
Banned
There's still a ton of moving and transforming stages revealed that would still have dynamically changing platforms and fighting areas with hazards turned off.
... Like the stage that was just revealed a few hours ago.
JUST US FOLKS
YOU FUCKERS
OUR SHIT
Well it is just I've never seen someone suggest that Sakurai talks to a range of Smash players. It always seems to only be the suggestion of talking to tournament players is thrown around. I even remember getting in a debate on this forum because I committed the heinous crime of suggesting that a good development team for this game would consist of players of all skill sets rather than just one.
Wow. Talk about picky. I'm just saying if flat platform stages are called FD variations than stages which keep the platforms can be called BF variations.
BassForever
Member
New stage looks really nice
Hot Coldman
Banned
Ah, we're on the same level then. I totally agree that all players of all preferences and skill levels should be considered and feedback sought from.
The reason you see a lot people suggest Sakurai talk more to tournament players is because the general feeling is that he doesn't talk to them at all, mind. It's not "he should consider these people first and foremost", it's just an underlying feeling that competitive Smash isn't a pool from which he is pulling opinions from. Obviously this looks more like people pushing competitively-minded players' opinions ahead of anyone else on the surface, but it's a push for equal (hell, any) representation, I believe. No-one's out there saying "he should listen to us items only free-for-all have-some-beers-and-go-nuts crowd!" because none of those people feel like they aren't being considered.
I think even the likes of Mew2King are fully aware of how niche competitive Smash is amongst the millions and millions of people who enjoy the series, even in this platinum eSports age of Smash. So no-one's trying to say who should be heard over anyone else.
MaverickHunterAsh
Member
They're not. I think tourney players are the only ones who really think they are or should be, and even then only a subset of them likely actually feel that way.
Thankfully Sakurai doesn't seem to think that. He gave that crowd options to be sure, with FD variations and such, but many of the stages revealed so far in both versions are moving, have gimmicks, hazards, etc. - basically anything that would get them "banned" in tournaments.
Fortunately, it seems like the majority of the stages revealed so far are focused on fun and definitely the type that would be "banned" in tournament play. I don't mind the tourney crowd having a few more options as long as the entire game isn't tailored to their style of play, and it isn't.
I'll be focusing on Mega Man, my wife will be Wii Fit, and my friend is going to be doing Villager. I might do Little Mac as well.
Lewd.
Generally, the "competitive" players understand the game's mechanics and engine a bit more. The casual player in generally won't care if they put patch notes that say "we decreased the hitstun of forward air" but they might feel something is "off" and just don't understand the specifics on why. I know a lot of my friends who don't take the games seriously definitely felt the "slowness" and "floatiness" of Brawl but didn't understand why that was so. They still enjoyed it but it's not like they wouldn't have not enjoyed it if it had something closer to 64 or Melee's physics. That's why people are advocating for more input from the competitive player since they can give more insight to mechanics/engine/balance rather than "ADD _____ stage and _____ character".
Why not make a zany game with tons of items and cool stages, but at the same time, still have a game that has strong mechanics and competitive depth? That's what competitive players want.
I'm speaking as a player who still plays both "For Glory" and "For Fun" in Smash. Like Project M is great! Whether I'm doing tourney-style matches or just doing free for alls with the modded movesets/music/stages/etc.
Why not make a zany game with tons of items and cool stages, but at the same time, still have a game that has strong mechanics and competitive depth? That's what competitive players want.
I'm speaking as a player who still plays both "For Glory" and "For Fun" in Smash.
Like Project M is great! Whether I'm doing tourney-style matches or just doing free for alls with the modded movesets/music/stages/etc. Neoriceisgood
Member
B-but you're married...!
On the subject of stage hazards, just from a more noncompetitive standpoint, I've always found the stages less focused on hazards to be more fun. Sure, some minimal stage hazards are cool, like the tornado in Hyrule 64, the dynamic Pokemon Stadium stages, or the spinning blocks in Yoshi's Island (Melee). But any of the moving stages, the retro stages in Brawl, or WarioWare are just awful to play on IMO. They're just not fun stages. For this reason I don't really mind Project M's focus on more competitive stages, though I can see why some people could be frustrated with the lack of more gimmick-focused ones there.
Having an FD version for all stages isn't really the best solution, IMO, given that lack of platforms gives some characters an advantage. However, thus far there seem to be enough non-gimmick focused stages shown for this game though. And the more gimmick focused ones seem to be pretty neat.
Having an FD version for all stages isn't really the best solution, IMO, given that lack of platforms gives some characters an advantage. However, thus far there seem to be enough non-gimmick focused stages shown for this game though. And the more gimmick focused ones seem to be pretty neat.
Pic of the day. Here's a new Wii U stage, Mushroom Kingdom U! It brings to life the worlds of New Super Mario Bros. U.
When Kamek casts a spell, the stage transforms drastically! That said, this is not what you would call a moving stage
By the way, this stage will be playable in the demo version of the game for E3, a game expo that starts on June 10 in Los Angeles.
My new favourite stage on Wii U, together with Galaxy and the Pikmin one.
Hot Coldman
Banned
So far, Smash U has FD, Battlefield, Skyloft, Kalos League, City & Town, Pilotwings and maaaaybe WIndy Hill that look fairly "legal". Maybe Halberd and Garden of Hope as counterpicks. So it's not a bad lot, plus all the different FDs will have their minute differences. Still leaves out Wii Fit Studio, Mario Galaxy, Pyrosphere, Palutena's Temple, Boxing Ring and Wily's Castle, though. And Mushroom Kingdom U now as well!
Eh, Melee only has like 6 legal stages, we'll live.
Eh, Melee only has like 6 legal stages, we'll live.