Penny Dreadful |OT| League of Extraordinary Gentleman, Take 2 - Sundays 10/9c

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This episode felt incredibly slow and poorly paced. There's bits of interest, but mainly I only really enjoy the Frankenstein storyline, of which there was little of in this one.
 
Frankenstein is still the best part of the show. I wish they would do the transformation for Hartnett's character though. Assuming he's what we may guess he is. I did not want to see that ending. Can't keep teasing.

And, I want to see some monster action. There's too much romance.
 
The Artful Dodger said:
Yeah, the painting more reveals the state of his soul, so with each act he does the painting contorts and twists to reveal the state of his soul.
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This Dorian hasn't really done anything that would be in line with the most famous version of him yet.

I wonder if they are gonna go that route.
 
Chandler is mostly about the ladies but probably had some...moments...back on the range in America that allowed him some flexibility. Plus he was in a vulnerable moment there. His girl left him, he saw rat-baiting, he got in a fight, Dorian gave him absinthe and opera and a shoulder to cry on. Boom.

Also, Dorian's pimp game is just that strong.

And can I say that so far they are WASTING Danny Saipani? I'd call him the Magical Negro, but he's the only non-magical person in the whole damn cast (Murray has the magical power of Money and Lordship, Brona has the magical power of Consumption and Bad Accent). Brother better do something besides be pragmatic.
 
Hnnng. That's all.

Why can't a man meet me at the theater and then take me to an illegal blood sport and then talk to me about his refined tastes while we drink absinthe in a gorgeous gallery and then let me ravish him? I swear, some people have all the luck.
 
Hours Left said:
This Dorian hasn't really done anything that would be in line with the most famous version of him yet.

I wonder if they are gonna go that route.
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They did show him looking at his favorite painting, in a room all by himself. If I were them, I'd keep it in the dark as long as possible.
 
That ending was not what I expected, although, knowing the story of Dorian Grey not entirely unlikely.

I feel like the past 3 episodes have killed the pacing of the pilot though. I feel that despite us having so many concurrent storylines, we only get a tiny tiny amount of story progression per week. Nothing will kill a show faster for me personally than that. It's something that Game of Thrones gets so right, keeping all of the storylines interesting. I was really hopeful to see some action this week now that we have had our character introduction episodes out of the way, but nope. I'll give it 2-3 more then I'm out.
 
I loved the episode, but the disappointing part about the episode I had was all the stories had literally converged onto one point and nothing came from it.
 
My wife laughed quite loudly that I had no idea the ending scene would end that way. Borderline condescending, truth be told.

That said, I gave her a hard time about it this morning. I just didn't see it coming!
 
Mrs. Manky said:
Chandler is mostly about the ladies but probably had some...moments...back on the range in America that allowed him some flexibility. Plus he was in a vulnerable moment there. His girl left him, he saw rat-baiting, he got in a fight, Dorian gave him absinthe and opera and a shoulder to cry on. Boom.

Also, Dorian's pimp game is just that strong.

And can I say that so far they are WASTING Danny Saipani? I'd call him the Magical Negro, but he's the only non-magical person in the whole damn cast (Murray has the magical power of Money and Lordship, Brona has the magical power of Consumption and Bad Accent). Brother better do something besides be pragmatic.
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He's in the titles. He gun be important.
 
jett said:
Brona's gonna turn into the bride of Frankenstein isn't she.
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Three choices:

1) Brona

2) The actress from the Grand Guignol

3) Some unexpected random woman

I like Brona's chances, but my money is on the actress. Caliban already has the hots for her, plus Chandler would probably try to stop them from turning Brona.
 
Little Kuma said:
I really need to read up on the lore of the characters lol
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Here are the original books that these character are based upon for anybody interested:

Frankenstein by Mary Shelley
Dracula by Bram Stoker
The Portrait of Dorian Grey by Oscar Wilde
King Solomon's Mines by H. Rider Haggard (I'm including this because, it is apparent to me, at least, that Dalton's Character is based off Sir Allen Quartermain, but they couldn't use him because of obvious parallels to League of Extraordinary Gentlemen)

I'll include more as(if) other literary characters are added into the stories.
 
Sorry for the double post, but I wanted this to be separate...

An interesting note about the Werewolf, is it was, unlike the other ones, it was a deeply embedded folk story prior to Victorian novels whereas the other ones are fairly original, and there are werewolf stories, but there is no real "definitive" werewolf story.
 
Yeah she's giving a straight garbage performance in this series at the moment. Please don't be revived

The rest of the episode was great though, didn't get what happened at the end? Does Dorian gray have seduction powers?
 
Discotheque said:
Yeah she's giving a straight garbage performance in this series at the moment. Please don't be revived

The rest of the episode was great though, didn't get what happened at the end? Does Dorian gray have seduction powers?
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I think he does have seduction powers. He's fucked two of the main cast members that he's met, and he's got your girl all hot and bothered. I suspect that if Dorian and Vanessa ever hook up, bad things will happen.
 
Mrs. Manky said:
Three choices:

1) Brona

2) The actress from the Grand Guignol

3) Some unexpected random woman

I like Brona's chances, but my money is on the actress. Caliban already has the hots for her, plus Chandler would probably try to stop them from turning Brona.
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Possible Brony is a failure/success and the actress the replacement or vice versa.
 
I mostly liked the episode. -Thought the development of Frankie's monster was great. He is becoming one of my favorite characters. I thought that the ending was pretty stupid. They could have handled the scene a thousand different ways without using the slow, intimate cinematography. Honestly, I thought that it betrayed everything they established in the episode for Chandler. It was obvious he was struggling with the inner beast. They could have advanced both Dorian and Chandler with a brief embrace followed the initial reveal of the werewolf as Chandler claws Dorian's back - to both of them backing away. The episode should have ended with the ferocity that it had been building instead of like a showtimey gratuitous mouse.
 
I would have pegged Frankenstein if I thought anyone of the guys were going to go the gay route but I'm pleasantly surprised with ChandlerxDorain buttsecks.

I agree with the sentiments that this was a missed opportunity to do the werewolf reveal.

How many episodes are left? This seems to be moving ever so slowly they really need to ramp it up next episode.
 
Loke13 said:
I would have pegged Frankenstein if I thought anyone of the guys were going to go the gay route but I'm pleasantly surprised with ChandlerxDorain buttsecks.

I agree with the sentiments that this was a missed opportunity to do the werewolf reveal.

How many episodes are left? This seems to be moving ever so slowly they really need to ramp it up next episode.
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#ChandlerXDorianButtsecks should have been the name of the episode. -it would have completely changed my opinion about it.
 
The Artful Dodger said:
Here are the original books that these character are based upon for anybody interested:

Frankenstein by Mary Shelley
Dracula by Bram Stoker
The Portrait of Dorian Grey by Oscar Wilde
King Solomon's Mines by H. Rider Haggard (I'm including this because, it is apparent to me, at least, that Dalton's Character is based off Sir Allen Quartermain, but they couldn't use him because of obvious parallels to League of Extraordinary Gentlemen)

I'll include more as(if) other literary characters are added into the stories.
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Speaking of this, I was a little confused by something in the 3rd episode. Didn't Caliban actually mention Shelley's book at one point? I'd have to go back and find the actual quote but it kind of threw me off
 
blainethemono said:
Speaking of this, I was a little confused by something in the 3rd episode. Didn't Caliban actually mention Shelley's book at one point? I'd have to go back and find the actual quote but it kind of threw me off
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Yes, he did. It also threw me off, and I was going to mention it here, but I totally forgot about it.
 
RatskyWatsky said:
Yes, he did. It also threw me off, and I was going to mention it here, but I totally forgot about it.
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I had forgotten about it until now too. I looked it up and it looks like he was talking about something by Mary Shelley's husband

Caliban mentions that he was not the "the lyrical Adonais, of which Shelley wrote" so he IS the creature from the books.

The Adonais he mentions is a poem by Percy Shelley (Mary's husband). Also, his physical appearance is far closer to the creature as described in the book (pale skin, long, black hair).

Proteus was an old god of the sea, which is connected to the creature's original life as some kind of sailor, but it's also a character in Wordsworth's Romantic poetry, the kind that Victor loves but Caliban sets himself against. The poem is specifically about how modernity disenchants nature and the world, and how the poet wants to return to that time of enchantment and gods, which is connected to the discussion Caliban has with him on that very subject. Victor wanted his creation to hold those Romantic values. Etymologically, Proteus also means "firstborn," and that could have to do with Victor disowning his original creation after not being able to see beauty in him, and seeing his second creature as his true first success.
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- EW: 'Penny Dreadful' gets renewed for bigger season 2
Showtime is ordering a second season of Penny Dreadful. The Victorian-era horror thriller starring Josh Hartnett, Timothy Dalton and Eva Green has been picked up for another round. The premium network is committing to 10 more episodes from writer-producer John Logan, an increase on the first season’s 8-episode order.

“The goal here was to see if we could do a genre show a horror show but with all the sophistication and depth of a Showtime show and John Logan ended up being the person to do it,” Showtime president David Nevins tells EW. “It’s been well reviewed by mainstream critics, it’s giving us a Comic-Con-appeal show. It’s a whole new world as imagined by Logan.”

Nevins says the rest of the first season will involve a continued expansion of the world of the show and a deeper exploration of the current characters. “It just gets richer deeper and more complicated with the characters,” he says. “We’re only four episodes in and you’re only just getting a taste of what’s to come.” The first season will also provide closure to the current main story arc, involving the search for Sir Malcolm’s (Dalton’s) lost daughter.

Penny Dreadful has averaged 4.8 million viewers across all Showtime platforms since the show’s launch, with Penny ranking as the network’s most-watched new show ever On Demand. .”It’s done better on non-linear platforms like On Demand than any show we’ve ever had,” he says. The show will once again shoot on location in Dublin and is expected to debut season 2 next year.
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blainethemono said:
Speaking of this, I was a little confused by something in the 3rd episode. Didn't Caliban actually mention Shelley's book at one point? I'd have to go back and find the actual quote but it kind of threw me off
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Oh yeah, that took me out of it. I thought that was a weird nod to make explicit.
 
RatskyWatsky said:
I thought she was great in that scene.
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As did I. It's clear that her character has always been a street urchin and thus has likely never seen a show like that. So for her to be so enthralled by what she's seeing makes perfect sense to me.

Edit: Also I do believe that this incarnation of Dorian does have some sort of supernatural seduction ability. At this point no one who spends any decent amount of time with him doesn't become infatuated with him.

I was REALLY hoping we'd see *his* painting during the scene where he's looking at it. But perhaps it's too soon to reveal just how terrible his soul is at this point in time.
 
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