Justin Bieber exposed using n-word again.

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Dr.Guru of Peru said:
It's about being 14 and being a dumbass.
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This is what the PC police are missing and anyone who pretends they didn't do or say dumb stuff as a kid either has a bad memory or is lying.

Bieber's an easy target and he's a total ass. But you can't hold children up to adult standards.

I'll even bet that when he's chillin' with Money drinking Cristal they're all dropping 'niggas' left and right.
 
animlboogy said:
Fucked up as this is, this is pretty standard behavior for 14 year old white kids and it should be treated as such rather than some glaring exception in a an otherwise non-racist society. We treat every one of these moments like an exception to the rule when that isn't the reality of it.

Casual racism is standard. Time to confront that.
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THAT'S THE FUCKING PROBLEM
 
If this were some famous black kid talking about "crackas" we'd be having conversations about how bad of an influence black culture is on youth.
animlboogy said:
Fucked up as this is, this is pretty standard behavior for 14 year old white kids and it should be treated as such rather than some glaring exception in a an otherwise non-racist society. We treat every one of these moments like an exception to the rule when that isn't the reality of it.
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And you don't see the glaring problem with that at all?

Also are you basically saying that there's a problem in white culture?

Casual racism is standard. Time to confront that.
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Yea black people, you should just suck it up and get use to it! Stop whining about it and conform!

The fucked
 
Partition said:
Yes, we wouldn't fancy racist behavior from a 15, 16, 17, 18, or 19 year old - because it's just totally different than being racist at 14!
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I guess the world has one less problem since Justin wasn't 15, 16, 17, 18, or 19 years old when he said this completely offensive and problematic jokes.
 
Dr.Guru of Peru said:
I remember being 14. I can't remember ever uttering a racist word.

But it isn't about being naive. It's about being 14 and being a dumbass. I also remember a lot of dumbasses when they were 14. Many of them would be embarrassed if reminded of their past selves.

Bieber grew up in a small town. He's since left Stratford and rocketed to international stardom. There's no doubt he's a different person now than the one he was before his first album. He apologized for this past video, and there's no history of him doing anything remotely similar in recent history. He clearly regrets the comments, so I'd be inclined to forgive him.
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I'm not judging the road of which he came upon the use. The use of the word is all that is indicative to a lifestyle/environment/understanding of others. People used racist terms at 14, though you didn't. That doesn't classify everyone as 4-alarm bigots, but it shows a level of comfort with a subject that you're not taking seriously. I said the dude just needs to move on from it and continue to speak with his actions today/future. Which is what he seems to be doing, and thats all he can really do to silence critics.

Ronok said:
That's not the point. At the age of 14 he should have known better. He was obviously being a prick/racist and knew it. I don't however think that someone should be judged on something incredibly stupid at the age of 14 when they are in their 20's... Like I said, at this point you hope he looks back on it in shame.
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I agree that he probably knew better. And no, he shouldn't be judged for saying something racist years ago. But I don't agree that it comes with the territory of being a stupid 14 year old, and it seems that is coming up.
 
Bruuuuuuuuuce! said:
This is what the PC police are missing and anyone who pretends they didn't do or say dumb stuff as a kid either has a bad memory or is lying.

Bieber's an easy target and he's a total ass. But you can't hold children up to adult standards.

I'll even bet that when he's chillin' with Money drinking Cristal they're all dropping 'niggas' left and right.
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Honestly, its not even the 14 part. It's that people are not willing to forgive an adult for a comment he made as a child.

If Bieber was 14 right now and this video came out, I would be right there with his critics. But he's 20 now and has no recent history of doing anything like this. He's not the same person. Forgive the guy already and let it go.
 
Angelus Errare said:
If this were some famous black kid talking about "crackas" we'd be having conversations about how bad of an influence black culture is on youth.


And you don't see the glaring problem with that at all?

Also are you basically saying that there's a problem in white culture?


Yea black people, you should just suck it up and get use to it! Stop whining about it and conform!

The fucked
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what? I know plently of non white people that said stupid racist homophobic shit when they were kids. This is not just a "white" problem
 
Ferrio said:
How many of you used the word "faggot" when growing up and didn't know any better? Your view of the world as a kid is very very narrow.
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Exactly. Are we supposed to be forever branded by the things we said at a young age?

People do change and so do their views. Kids are naive.
 
I wonder if at that time he knew he'd need someone to carry him up to the top of the Great Wall of China.
 
Honestly I think we've all said fucked up things at the age of 14.Unfortunately for him, he didn't have the luxury of not having a camera around when it was said.

Doesn't excuse it at all, but I'm not going to hold the same perspective as I would towards a then 14 year old, as I would if he were 20 when it was said.
 
animlboogy said:
That part doesn't matter to most. We're going to get on twitter and vent like lunatics instead of using this as a teachable moment.



That's not how this will be treated and you know it. The conversation will be "OMG Biebs is raycist" and end there, conveniently skirting the larger problem. Hang him out to dry for being a public figure and completely ignore that there is a much larger cultural problem. Treating him like an exception when he isn't at all.

There will be no teachable moment here. We will continue to twitter rage on this one guy and be completely unforgiving, which is the kind of reaction that makes casual racism so entertaining to these little bastards.
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I don't know where you've been, but the last 6 decades have been CHOCK FULL of teachable moments.

You act like teaching young white kids that calling black people niggers or even using the word is some new concept.

I'm all for a teaspoon of public humiliation.
 
Damn man that first video was one thing but this is on another level.
soundahfekz said:
Honestly I think we've all said fucked up things at the age of 14.Unfortunately for him, he didn't have the luxury of not having a camera around when it was said.

Doesn't excuse it at all, but I'm not going to hold the same perspective as I would towards a then 14 year old, as I would if he were 20 when it was said.
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This is really how I feel about it... I don't believe he has hatred towards black people. Just take a look at the life he leads, who he surrounds himself with, etc., and I think you'd have to come to that conclusion. He seems to have a lot of admiration for the black people around him and who have influenced him. But when you're young you can do some very tasteless things... but when you're a celeb or in the public eye that shit is not as easily left behind as you grow and mature.

Will be interesting to see if there will actually be any true backlash after this second incident.
 
Ferrio said:
How many of you used the word "faggot" when growing up and didn't know any better? Your view of the world as a kid is very very narrow.
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I went to school with the majority of kids being minorties from pre K to highschool

Every single person was using that word you mentioned and the N word very casually
I never saw anyone get offended

Black students were using it to asian students ,white students ,everyone, etc

Then sometime during like the late 90s and early 2000s america got super PC and since then i almost never hear these words anymore other than betwen close friends
 
royalan said:
I don't know where you've been, but the last 6 decades have been CHOCK FULL of teachable moments.

You act like teaching young white kids that calling black people niggers or even using the word is some new concept.

I'm all for a teaspoon of public humiliation.
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It's pretty sad that you feel the need to humiliate someone for something he said years ago that he's already learned his lesson about. I'm sure there's nothing stupid you said or did in the past that we could bring back and call you a bad person for.
 
I hate Bieber and he gets on my nerves but honestly i dont think he's racist, he's just an idiot saying "nigga" cause all the cool kids in school say it a lot (black or white etc) because of rappers say it a lot in their songs so it must be ok for them to say it too.
 
Lovely Salsa said:
what? I know plently of non white people that said stupid racist homophobic shit when they were kids. This is not just a "white" problem
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animlboogy said:
So not what I was saying at all.

I'm not white by the way.
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1. Both of you are dense as hell.

2. He clearly says this is normal behavior for white 14 year olds. So is it safe to assume that there's a problem in white culture? This question is a direct offshoot of the oh so often asked "Is black culture to blame for X" on GAF whenever black youth do something questionable. This remedial question is usually followed up by stupid and shitty anecdotal evidence, statistics that play to their bias and youtube links.

uberluigi said:
I hate Bieber and he gets on my nerves but honestly i dont think he's racist, he's just an idiot saying "nigga" cause all the cool kids in school say it a lot (black or white etc) because of rappers say it a lot in their songs so it must be ok for them to say it too.
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see5harp said:
What a non story. One less lonely nigga would be a hit on the radio. "My Hitta" was like on 10-15 times a few months back.
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Watch the videos before posting to save yourself the embarrassment of sounding ignorant. The words are "One less lonely nigger, if I kill you I'll be part of the KKK".

Gawd I want to punch you people through the internet.
 
Yeah, can't defend this. What the fuck.

i can get behind the racist jokes because I'll admit, i was that shithead when he was his age, but there's just no excuse for this.
 
Zen_Arcade said:
It's pretty sad that you feel the need to humiliate someone for something he said years ago that he's already learned his lesson about. I'm sure there's nothing stupid you said or did in the past that we could bring back and call you a bad person for.
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I don't know if Bieber's learned his lesson on anything.
 
What a non story. One less lonely nigga would be a hit on the radio. "My Hitta" was like on 10-15 times a few months back.
 
I always wondered why nobody questioned how he transformed from a "lol lesbian haircut" kid into a basically replacement for Chris Brown in the hip hop industry.
 
I suppose a problem is that the more forbidden the word is the more are some teenagers attracted to it since it makes them look edgy.
 
BadAss2961 said:
I don't know if Bieber's learned his lesson on anything.
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Multiple people have posted this in the last few pages, including myself.

"As a young man, I didn't understand the power of certain words and how they can hurt. I thought it was OK to repeat hurtful words and jokes, but didn't realize at the time that it wasn't funny and that in fact my actions were continuing the ignorance," Bieber, now 20, said in a statement.
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/01/showbiz/justin-bieber-racist-joke/
 
It's fucked up for sure, but come on 14 year old boys having a tendency to act like little shits is nothing new. I don't even wanna think of the lovely tirades I've heard from anonymous players when I hopped on Xbox Live in the past...
 
Zen_Arcade said:
It's pretty sad that you feel the need to humiliate someone for something he said years ago that he's already learned his lesson about. I'm sure there's nothing stupid you said or did in the past that we could bring back and call you a bad person for.
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Sorry, I didn't grow up a racist. Didn't have the luxury.
 
Damaniel said:
If you're old enough to know what the KKK is, you're old enough to know what the n-word represents, and know that the use if of it is completely inappropriate.
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A 14-year old is definitely old enough to know it's the wrong thing to do. The problem is they do it anyway, and afterwards are unable to explain why.
 
stutte said:
14yr olds are generally awful people, I see that beebs is no exception.
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I'm trying to remember putting racist/homophobic slurs into rhyme form.

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....nope. Didn't happen. To be sure some teens are more awful than others. Perhaps just a bit disappointing to see Beibs was on the more disappointing end of the spectrum. But as has been said, his team (Usher & Co.) were aware of these vids years ago apparently and it was addressed then. It makes sense that these come out now to avoid being extorted and if I had been dumb enough to do the same, I would have put them out and taken things like a man too. Hopefully he's learned the lessons Usher and others attempted to teach him 4 or 5 years ago. If not, I suppose maybe we'll see a 19 year-old Beiber video coming soon. Given the ethnic makeup of his team and crews, I suspect he's long grown out of thinking such things or thinking they are acceptable. Personally, I'm ready to move on and believe him a changed young man pending a *recent* reason to suggest otherwise.

That said, it disappoints me that some of our white GAFers find this kind of things to have been "normal" or otherwise unremarkable. To the rest of us it's rather disturbing as it represents a generational baton-pass of the same sort of racial bigotry and hatred that we're *supposed* to be working towards eliminating. And yet here we are talking about teenagers in the 2000's+ making the same jokes their teenage parents were making in the 60s. It's disappointing, and to the degree that younger posters here suggest it unsurprising behavior is the degree to which my disappointment in your generation grows.
 
I'm going to assume that he was an idiot when he was 14 and he's accepted that. And he's constantly in mixes with famous black rap artists like JayZ - I'd like to assume that he's changed his views since then.

What's more important is if he hasn't and he's a closet Clippers coach.
 
royalan said:
Ok, so then honest question: at what age is it racism?

And what point is it ok to say that something that walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, and smells like a duck is a goddamn racist-ass duck?
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All right so to expand on this, I don't think its okay at any age to start blurting out racism. There's also context to how these words are used and who is behind them. Whether its truly meant as actually deeply embedded hate or not. At 14 years of age you're still quite young and perhaps don't fully realize how offensive racist jokes can be, but this still doesn't fully excuse it. It was to a small group of friends that didn't know any better. As long as he's realized his mistakes, and apologized for it now that its out in the public domain as he has done, then I think there's no need to blow this out of proportion. I think that's very good of him to release the video and do that.

I don't think we should brush racism aside for age. You need to look at the context as it's not all black and white (excuse the irony).
 
royalan said:
Sorry, I didn't grow up a racist. Didn't have the luxury.
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So instead of addressing my point and realizing that you probably said some immature dumb thing when you were younger, you'll post a snarky bullshit reply and continue to keep mounted on that high horse pretending like you've never done anything wrong.

It doesn't matter what kind of apology the kid sends out now, you're just here looking for something to be angry about.
 
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