Justin Bieber exposed using n-word again.

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Come on guys, he has black friends

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Lovely Salsa said:
because those that did dumb shit were usually bullies, atleast where I come from.
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Yeah, that sounds like it might be specific to different places. Being a kid that does dumb shit could mean anything: crack head, sleeping with a bunch of people without condoms, skipping school, being racists, acting like an ape, etc... Bullying is apart of that, but I don't think a dumb shit like Bieber would have been a bully. Just a kid who says racist stuff because he thinks it's funny. It's a shame people are defending him, but I guess they don't mind racism from 14 year olds. Anyhoo, sorry you were bullied.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
That said, it disappoints me that some of our white GAFers find this kind of things to have been "normal" or otherwise unremarkable. To the rest of us it's rather disturbing as it represents a generational baton-pass of the same sort of racial bigotry and hatred that we're *supposed* to be working towards eliminating. And yet here we are talking about teenagers in the 2000's+ making the same jokes their teenage parents were making in the 60s. It's disappointing, and to the degree that younger posters here suggest it unsurprising behavior is the degree to which my disappointment in your generation grows.
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When and where I grew up (I'm 35 now, Seattle area) it was never "normal" to SAY such jokes.

Meaning, the vast majority of people I knew never said anything like that.

It's more that I definitely knew a few who did.. so it was "normal" to have heard such jokes from someone, but it wasn't the normal way for teens to act.

And it was generally an upbringing thing. If you had racist parents who told racist jokes you probably told them as a teen.
 
Stet said:
Bieber has a hell of a PR agency.




The mysterious parody of his song that's somewhere out there on the internet but nobody has yet found. Yes.
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There's no point talking to you about this. It seems like it's he's going to be deemed a racist for life by you, and no apology he gives is going to seem sincere to you. You've already made your judgement.
 
Zen_Arcade said:
So instead of addressing my point and realizing that you probably said some immature dumb thing when you were younger, you'll post a snarky bullshit reply and continue to keep mounted on that high horse pretending like you've never done anything wrong.

It doesn't matter what kind of apology the kid sends out now, you're just here looking for something to be angry about.
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I did address your point. Sorry if you can't believe it but the answer is NO. I didn't use hate speech as a kid. #sorryboutit

"Never done anything wrong" and "used known hate speech" are not the only options here. Of course kids say and do stupid shit, but let's not normalize using hate speech as a fucking teenager. At that point, you fucking know better.

And the fact that people try to cushion blatantly racist speech by normalizing it and making it out to be something those gosh-darn kids do is troubling. I didn't grow up in a household that taught that using hate speech was OK. And you know what? Neither did any of my friends. And you know what else? Whenever we encountered people who did use hate speech, even jokingly, it was treated like the fucking problem it was. Not brushed aside as something kids just do.

Doing and saying shit like that was treated as indicative of the bad stock you come from.
 
I'm conflicted. He just joked about killing a black guy .... and yet he was willing to show this video to own up for the stupid shit he did say.
 
EscoBlades said:
Surely NO ONE could defend him this ti.....

Oh.


OH!
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I don't think people feel like what he did is anywhere near being ok or a non-issue. It's just that the fact that he was 14 should be taken into consideration. It absolutely doesn't excuse his actions, but teenage boys generally do stupid shit that they should know better than to go through with.
 
Zen_Arcade said:
There's no point talking to you about this. It seems like it's he's going to be deemed a racist for life by you, and no apology he gives is going to seem sincere to you. You've already made your judgement.
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I haven't even once called him a racist. I'm honestly complimenting his PR team, it's a really amazing apology.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
I'm trying to remember putting racist/homophobic slurs into rhyme form.

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....nope. Didn't happen. To be sure some teens are more awful than others. Perhaps just a bit disappointing to see Beibs was on the more disappointing end of the spectrum. But as has been said, his team (Usher & Co.) were aware of these vids years ago apparently and it was addressed then. It makes sense that these come out now to avoid being extorted and if I had been dumb enough to do the same, I would have put them out and taken things like a man too. Hopefully he's learned the lessons Usher and others attempted to teach him 4 or 5 years ago. If not, I suppose maybe we'll see a 19 year-old Beiber video coming soon. Given the ethnic makeup of his team and crews, I suspect he's long grown out of thinking such things or thinking they are acceptable. Personally, I'm ready to move on and believe him a changed young man pending a *recent* reason to suggest otherwise.

That said, it disappoints me that some of our white GAFers find this kind of things to have been "normal" or otherwise unremarkable. To the rest of us it's rather disturbing as it represents a generational baton-pass of the same sort of racial bigotry and hatred that we're *supposed* to be working towards eliminating. And yet here we are talking about teenagers in the 2000's+ making the same jokes their teenage parents were making in the 60s. It's disappointing, and to the degree that younger posters here suggest it unsurprising behavior is the degree to which my disappointment in your generation grows.
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Perfect.

To add something more, shouldn't it be more encouraged then for these things to be addressed at an early age, even before puberty if you will, that using words like the n word are bad words and even explained why so that they won't be used at all?

Why is it that you must come in contact with people of other races first before realizing the error of your ways when you can be taught before hand what is wrong and what isn't?

Parents tell their kids not to use curse words and some grow up fearing use of them will risk punishment (until you know, defiant teen years but by then, they know the difference between right and wrong). Why can't the n word be treated the same?
 
Angelus Errare said:
1. Both of you are dense as hell.

2. He clearly says this is normal behavior for white 14 year olds. So is it safe to assume that there's a problem in white culture? This question is a direct offshoot of the oh so often asked "Is black culture to blame for X" on GAF whenever black youth do something questionable. This remedial question is usually followed up by stupid and shitty anecdotal evidence, statistics that play to their bias and youtube links.





Watch the videos before posting to save yourself the embarrassment of sounding ignorant. The words are "One less lonely nigger, if I kill you I'll be part of the KKK".

Gawd I want to punch you people through the internet.
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To be fair I haven't see this video yet (i'll check it out soon) but I don't think my perspective is going to change that much Based on the description. It's fucked up, it should be condemned, but as an adolescent how many of us engaged in true independent thought that wasn't a derivative of our parents thoughts or aggregate bs regurgitated? The growth and development of a person is significant from the stage shown in the video through adulthood.

I couldn't stand white people when I first got in high school. I was 13. I grew up in the hood and didn't know any better. For whatever reason. Going to one of the most diverse schools in the city and actually interacting with different people (not through handlers or via proxy) completely changed my perspective on race and eliminated misconceptions I had based of other people's opinions. People who operate in the public eye should indeed be held accountable and their actions or words condemned when situations like these come to light. However, coming from someone who understands what kinds of ignorance can perpetuate and spill over to children, I'm going to be a bit more lenient and say I hope the has grown enough to not hold the same ideas, because then all bets should be off.
 
When I was 14 I was pretty aware that singing about killing black people and being part of KKK would be seen as racist. I might still have been pretty ignorant to plenty of other subjects, but I certainly knew that I would also not make a joke about being a skin head and killing Jews. There is really no excuse here. It is at least a testament of the education he had and how, as the other guy from the video with the crazy woman said, racism is alive and well.
 
royalan said:
I did address your point. Sorry if you can't believe it but the answer is NO. I didn't use hate speech as a kid. #sorryboutit

"Never done anything wrong" and "used known hate speech" are not the only options here. Of course kids say and do stupid shit, but let's not normalize using hate speech as a fucking teenager. At that point, you fucking know better.

And the fact that people try to cushion blatantly racist speech by normalizing it and making it out to be something those gosh-darn kids do is troubling. I didn't grow up in a household that tought that using hate speech was ok. And you know what? Neither did any of my friends. And you know what else? Whenever we encountered people who did use hate speech, even jokingly, it was treated like the fucking problem it was. Not brushed aside as something kids just do.

Doing and saying shit like that was treated as indicative of the bad stock you come from.
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I never said it was normal or fucking appropriate. I said it's fucking stupid to judge someone today for their actions at a young age. Especially when it seems that he understands what he did was wrong. It doesn't even have to be tied to saying something racist, it's just flat out dumb to chastise someone for something they did in the past when it seems they've learned their lesson in the future.

At this point you're just shitting on him for making a mistake and learning his lesson.
 
ishibear said:
Perfect.

To add something more, shouldn't it be more encouraged then for these things to be addressed at an early age, even before puberty if you will, that using words like the n word are bad words and even explained why so that they won't be used at all?

Why is it that you must come in contact with people of other races first before realizing the error of your ways when you can be taught before hand what is wrong and what isn't?

Parents tell their kids not to use curse words and some grow up fearing use of them will risk punishment (until you know, defiant teen years but by then, they know the difference between right and wrong). Why can't the n word be treated the same?
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Because usually, even if it's understood on an intellectual level, it'll still remain an abstract concept that's not actually fleshed out or "real" until you meet someone impacted by such language. At least, as a gay dude, that's what I've been told from some straight friends that have thrown around the word fag in the past. Could easily be brushed off as bullshit, but honestly I can see a "lazy" mental block of sorts being there for some people till they meet someone to lift it off.
 
ZombiePlatypus said:
I don't think people feel think what he did is anywhere near being ok or a non-issue. It's just that the fact that he was 14 should be taken into consideration. It absolutely doesn't excuse his actions, but teenage boys generally do stupid shit that they should know better than to go through with.
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I've always felt that there is a big difference between stupid shit people say and racist shit people say.

I got taught from a very early age there was a GULF between the two. I don't for one second buy that this is just the sort of stuff boys do (i certainly didn't and neither did my circle of friends). Boys will be boys.

No. That is the sort of line of thinking that makes people start to think that this shit is okay.

It isn't okay.
 
EscoBlades said:
I've always felt that there is a big difference between stupid shit people say and racist shit people say.

I got taught from a very early age there was a GULF between the two. I don't for one second buy that this is just the sort of stuff boy do. Boys will be boys.

No. That is the sort of line of thinking that makes people start to think that this shit is okay.

It isn't okay.
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Thank you.
 
EscoBlades said:
I've always felt that there is a big difference between stupid shit people say and racist shit people say.

I got taught from a very early age there was a GULF between the two. I don't for one second buy that this is just the sort of stuff boys do (i certainly didn't and neither did my circle of friends). Boys will be boys.

No. That is the sort of line of thinking that makes people start to think that this shit is okay.

It isn't okay.
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No it's not okay, and it should be discourage. But who's to say he was ever given that speech at the time?
 
Someone need to remind him that just because he have black friend and mentor, doesn't mean it's okay to say the N word, and since it's parody, i don't think Dr. Dre rules apply here

Yeah,i know he's 14 at the time, and teenager make stupid video all the time...so there's that. still not cool though. seriously
 
Zen_Arcade said:
I never said it was normal or fucking appropriate. I said it's fucking stupid to judge someone today for their actions at a young age. Especially when it seems that he understands what he did was wrong. It doesn't even have to be tied to saying something racist, it's just flat out dumb to chastise someone for something they did in the past when it seems they've learned their lesson in the future.
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Yeah, Beiber sure has grown into a mature, model citizen. I'm sure he has learned the error of his ways. I mean, look at all those black kids he hangs out with now.

And, also, to clarify: I'm 50% chatising Justin Beiber, and 50% chasting people in this thread who don't see it as even slightly problematic that using speech like this at any age is seen as normal.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
I'm trying to remember putting racist/homophobic slurs into rhyme form.

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....nope. Didn't happen. To be sure some teens are more awful than others. Perhaps just a bit disappointing to see Beibs was on the more disappointing end of the spectrum. But as has been said, his team (Usher & Co.) were aware of these vids years ago apparently and it was addressed then. It makes sense that these come out now to avoid being extorted and if I had been dumb enough to do the same, I would have put them out and taken things like a man too. Hopefully he's learned the lessons Usher and others attempted to teach him 4 or 5 years ago. If not, I suppose maybe we'll see a 19 year-old Beiber video coming soon. Given the ethnic makeup of his team and crews, I suspect he's long grown out of thinking such things or thinking they are acceptable. Personally, I'm ready to move on and believe him a changed young man pending a *recent* reason to suggest otherwise.

That said, it disappoints me that some of our white GAFers find this kind of things to have been "normal" or otherwise unremarkable. To the rest of us it's rather disturbing as it represents a generational baton-pass of the same sort of racial bigotry and hatred that we're *supposed* to be working towards eliminating. And yet here we are talking about teenagers in the 2000's+ making the same jokes their teenage parents were making in the 60s. It's disappointing, and to the degree that younger posters here suggest it unsurprising behavior is the degree to which my disappointment in your generation grows.
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I don't find what he said OK, but in the broader sense 14yr olds don't have a great social awareness *in general*. And I'm not saying that racism is a hallmark of that age, but that stupidity is.

Kids of all colors say cringy, stupid shit all the fucking time.
 
I'm not really defending what he said, but at 14 I said a lot of stupid things which I'd never say now and I definitely don't think the same way as I did when I was 14. At 14, you're easily impressionable even if you know it's wrong you still say offensive.

I honestly don't think Justin Bieber is a racist and actively says that word anymore.
 
Dark Octave said:
And why are all these videos coming out all of a sudden? Why would you keep something like that anyway? "Hey Justin remember the good old days when you were racist!?"
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Re-read the statement. He won't be shaken down *anymore*. Guess people have made quite a profit over the years thanks to these videos.

And as proof that blind items aren't necessarily fabricated, these videos were talked about back in 2011:

This squeaky clean sensation has an ugly side captured on tape! While recording a new album he broke into an impromptu rap – dropping derogatory terms about African Americans and Jews. SOMEHOW the tape wound up at a popular entertainment news show. They made a quick deal and, lo and behold, the tape was killed in exchange for numerous appearances by our bad boy!
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That's TMZ that forced Bieber to appear on their show. I'm sure that whoever sold them the tape has been getting money from Bieber since.

As for the "boys will be boys" defense, you'd think that someone who became rich and famous thanks to the tutelage of a black rapper would show a little bit of sensitivity in racial matters.
 
Ferrio said:
No it's not okay, and it should be discourage. But who's to say he was ever given that speech at the time?
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That's a failing that seems to be more and more prevalent amongst the current generation. And just based on some of the responses in this thread alone, more people seem to be accepting that failing as normal. That's downright scary to me as a minority. And i'll continue to call it out where i see it.
 
EscoBlades said:
That's a failing that seems to be more and more prevalent amongst the current generation. And just based on some of the responses in this thread alone, more people seem to be accepting that failing as normal. That's downright scary to me as a minority. And i'll continue to call it out where i see it.
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I'm not disagreeing that it shouldn't be called out. But it should be called out at the time... not 6 years later.
 
Ferrio said:
No it's not okay, and it should be discourage. But who's to say he was ever given that speech at the time?
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If you need a speech about racism at 14 in order to not be a racist...something is wrong.

Shit I've never been given a speech about racism yet at 14 I wasn't going around calling people spics/chinks/japs/gooks/etc.

At 14 you should know better.
 
ZombiePlatypus said:
I don't think people feel like what he did is anywhere near being ok or a non-issue. It's just that the fact that he was 14 should be taken into consideration. It absolutely doesn't excuse his actions, but teenage boys generally do stupid shit that they should know better than to go through with.
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it's not an excuse but here's why it's an excuse
 
EscoBlades said:
I've always felt that there is a big difference between stupid shit people say and racist shit people say.

I got taught from a very early age there was a GULF between the two. I don't for one second buy that this is just the sort of stuff boys do (i certainly didn't and neither did my circle of friends). Boys will be boys.

No. That is the sort of line of thinking that makes people start to think that this shit is okay.

It isn't okay.
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I agree that it's absolutely not ok. I guess I can look back and say "At 14 I knew better and didn't do this shit, and neither did my 14 year old friends" but being a minority myself, I feel like I was more sensitive to such issues. Fact is many teenagers do awful things that they regret or refrain from doing as decent adults and people. (Speaking generally here, not a comment on Bieber today.)

Thing is, this should have been addressed when it happened. What's the proper way to go about it now? It's hard to hold an adult accountable for awful stuff they did as minors.
 
Ferrio said:
I'm not disagreeing that it shouldn't be called out. But it should be called out at the time... not 6 years later.
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It should be given whenever it is relevant...like now. If this video coming out now forces him to check whatever disgusting views he might still have today, then it has worked. If the backlash and justified uproar caused by the video causes others like him (at that age) to reconsider the shit they say and contemplate why it is wrong and unacceptable, then it has worked,

You fight racist, sexist and homophobic views all the time. Because there is always an opportunity to educate.
 
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