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[Gucci Messiah]

Jeez Gucci, what's up with your post?

Just because someone's in a certain position, doesn't mean they know their stuff. A president of a country can be good at particular matters, and bad at others.

Also

Are we in kindergarten?


He didn't know about the Smash Bros. event because he didn''t spend a minute or two researching.

What exactly about my post was offensive? The part where I said to ignore him if you don't like the guy instead of complaining on a message board/giving him clicks or the part where I said he knows what he's talking about but being wrong comes with the territory of his job? Instead of playing the victim and then throwing in an 'are we in kindergarten jab' how about you try to contribute to this discussion at hand?

Just because he didn't know about a smash bros event doesn't mean he is suddenly unqualified to speak about Nintendo and that the vast majority of people on this message board know more about the industry than him. You do realize that his job is more complex than knowing about a video game tournament for a floundering system, right? I consider myself well informed and I had no idea Nintendo was putting on the event.

 

[geordiemp]

Don't forget to put adblock before going to GT....
.

I have adblock disabled when on gaming sites and GAF.

When I am shopping using google I enable it as the constant ads pop up is just crazy.

I don't buy second hand games or trade in any games. Ever,

I have KEPT every game from Wii to early 360 and Ps3 games.

My very old ZX81 / Spectrum / 3DO / PS games are long gone.

 

[ReiGun]

Wrong. Everyone including Nintendo fans do see it. The latter just don't give a shit week in and week out. Nintendo's situation isn't as near as bad as Sony or MS fucking up last generation and yet the fallout feels magnitudes worse.

There were people shitting on Nintendo even during the Wii/DS era. That doesn't make them right but rather broken records who didn't get their way. Now that Nintendo actually did mess up they're out in full force. Bitter PS3 fans perhaps. IYou can tell who they are when they demand Nintendo go 3rd party.

It sucks that Wii didn't get a lot of software 2011-2012. However, it already had a good run and lots of great games but 3DS was in trouble. So why put Nintendo on blast for doing the smart thing?

I meant "see it" in the sense you described. They probably know, but won't say. And even then, I think you give fans more credit than I do. There are certainly some who will never acknowledge when their chosen horse is doing bad. I remember folk in the early days of the PS3 who refused to admit Sony screwed the pooch. Fandom can be really irrational.

And yeah, I remember people saying Nintendo was doing bad during the Wii/DS as well. Which is why I'm skeptical of the idea that there are only a few voices out there calling them out. I don't want to sound all conspiracy nut and say there's an agenda, but I don't think the gaming community in general has ever had a problem calling Nintendo out.

Just because he didn't know about a smash bros event doesn't mean he is suddenly unqualified to speak about Nintendo and that the vast majority of people on this message board know more about the industry than him. You do realize that his job is more complex than knowing about a video game tournament for a floundering system, right? I consider myself well informed and I had no idea Nintendo was putting on the event.

If you're going to make a video discussing Nintendo's at E3, you probably should know what they've already announced they're gonna do. I agree not knowing about the tournament isn't a reflection of his qualifications or knowledge level in general, but in this particular instance, he didn't come across as ill-informed.

 

[prag16]

Isn't Pachter a banned site by now? That's a few minutes of my life I'll never get back.

 

[Piers]

Why Pach so grumpy tho? lol

His mind is wired on finances, and as a stockholder in general, he wouldn't be happy with either Nintendo's unpredictable nature, their hush-hush attitude, and lack of third-party support.

Pach also reads into the statistics and data, rather than the hype and promises — causing a big rift between him and the fans, though that's also the big clash in any topic on Nintendo's potential demise/success.

 

[Mael]

So let me get this straight, you didn't even bother watching the video, you just came in here to flame Pachter, right? Because that's pretty much what you just admitted.

Also, GameTrailers is apparently a hell hole because Pachter has a weekly show on there you aren't forced to watch? Lay off the hyperbole and put down your sword, you're dangerously close to console warrior territory.

Maybe you should get that gaffer a job at Wedbush, obviously he's more qualified than Pachter.

I'm just here because someone claimed Pachter was so knowledgable about everything, I nearly spit my drink at that.
And GT is a hell hole thanks to the adpocalypse it became.
And his shit at GT is not part of his job at Wedbush, so I don't see how that's relevant to what I'm criticizing.
Again his job doesn't include going to the press to say BS.

Running his mouth? His JOB is to give an opinion, don't throw a hissy fit whenever one of his predictions doesn't come true. I think it's odd you're holding on to him whiffing on a Wii HD; it's like you take it personal or something. Seriously, get over it, that was like 5 years ago.

No, his job is to provide his analysis to his customers, unless I missed something GT or the general public aren't paying for his info so we're clearly not his customers.
So he can BS all he wants that has no bearing on his job I'd guess.

 

[geordiemp]

What exactly about my post was offensive? The part where I said to ignore him if you don't like the guy instead of complaining on a message board/giving him clicks or the part where I said he knows what he's talking about but being wrong comes with the territory of his job? Instead of playing the victim and then throwing in an 'are we in kindergarten jab' how about you try to contribute to this discussion at hand?

Just because he didn't know about a smash bros event doesn't mean he is suddenly unqualified to speak about Nintendo and that the vast majority of people on this message board know more about the industry than him. You do realize that his job is more complex than knowing about a video game tournament for a floundering system, right? I consider myself well informed and I had no idea Nintendo was putting on the event.

Thank goodness others in same boat - I too did not know about smash brothers 'event' other than it would be at E3 in some form

What did WiiU sell in last months NPD ? EXACTLY...

Its not relevant at the moment...so in predicting market financial trends why would Pachter spend time looking - he believes WiiU cannot recover.

I hope he is wrong..

 

[Mael]

I have adblock disabled when on gaming sites and GAF.

When I am shopping using google I enable it as the constant ads pop up is just crazy.

I don't buy second hand games or trade in any games. Ever,

I have every game from Wii to early 360 and Ps3 games.

My very old ZX81 / Spectrum / 3DO / PS games are long gone.

Good for you?
Do you also cross only when it's red light for cars and brush your teeth before going to bed?

 

[DeaviL]

Can someone time how long it takes to type "Nintendo E3" into Google?

 

[BGBW]

I have every game from Wii to early 360 and Ps3 games.

 

[Nintentoast]

This is funny because a while back Pachter said Nintendo would probably gave the most content at E3.

 

[geordiemp]

Good for you?
Do you also cross only when it's red light for cars and brush your teeth before going to bed?

My point is I don't use adblock where appropriate and support game industry where I can.

I have lots of bad habits, smoking being the worst..

 

[geordiemp]

Kept - you know what I meant - but pounce anyway.

I was stating I am against adblock and support the industry where I can, including no second hand stuff.

 

[Gucci Messiah]

I'm just here because someone claimed Pachter was so knowledgable about everything, I nearly spit my drink at that.
And GT is a hell hole thanks to the adpocalypse it became.
And his shit at GT is not part of his job at Wedbush, so I don't see how that's relevant to what I'm criticizing.
Again his job doesn't include going to the press to say BS.



No, his job is to provide his analysis to his customers, unless I missed something GT or the general public aren't paying for his info so we're clearly not his customers.
So he can BS all he wants that has no bearing on his job I'd guess.

Yeah, this response just confirms to me that you're really not somebody worth interacting with. Between the failure to watch the video (ya know, the subject of the post), hyperbolic statements, and air of superiority; I can't take you seriously anymore.

 

[ReiGun]

Thank goodness others in same boat - I too did not know about smash brothers 'event' other than it would be at E3 in some form

What did WiiU sell in last months NPD ? EXACTLY...

Its not relevant at the moment...so in predicting market financial trends why would Pachter spend time looking - he believes WiiU cannot recover.

I hope he is wrong..

Pachter's video is about Nintendo at E3. It's literally titled "Pach Attack: Nintendo E3 Predictions." How would knowing about the Smash event not be relevant to that discussion? Why should he not spend a few minutes researching what the company says they're gonna do at E3 before making a video like that?

Am...am I missing something here?

 

[Mael]

My point is I don't use adblock where appropriate and support game industry where I can.

I have lots of bad habits, smoking being the worst..

I'm not a charity and neither are they, I support them when I have to in the same way that they're supporting me when they have to.
Any other sort of relationship ends up with one party being shafted.
e: heck I did as much research as Pachter did on Nintendo.

Yeah, this response just confirms to me that you're really not somebody worth interacting with. Between the failure to watch the video (ya know, the subject of the post), hyperbolic statements, and air of superiority; I can't take you seriously anymore.

Not reputable anymore?
At least something I have in common with Pachter!
Keep fighting the good fight at least you ddin't bring that's guy's Porches.

 

[Exterminieren]

You do realize that his job is more complex than knowing about a video game tournament for a floundering system, right? I consider myself well informed and I had no idea Nintendo was putting on the event.

If you were making a video about what Nintendo's going to do at E3, I'd hope you could spare the 30 seconds to find out what that's actually going to be first.

 

[DeaviL]

Yeah, this response just confirms to me that you're really not somebody worth interacting with. Between the failure to watch the video (ya know, the subject of the post), hyperbolic statements, and air of superiority; I can't take you seriously anymore.

The keywords are: Pot, Kettle and Black.

 

[geordiemp]

Pachter's video is about Nintendo at E3. It's literally titled "Pach Attack: Nintendo E3 Predictions." How would knowing about the Smash event not be relevant to that discussion? Why should he not spend a few minutes researching what the company says they're gonna do at E3 before making a video like that?

Am...am I missing something here?

You are right, he did an Nintendo E3 show and obviously spent less than 2 minutes preparing his material.

I still enjoyed his show and thought he was funny, although I admit he has an unhealthy 'no love' of Iwata...and could not be arsed to do any pre-work at all

 

[Nicktendo86]

If you were making a video about what Nintendo's going to do at E3, I'd hope you could spare the 30 seconds to find out what that's actually going to be first.

I don't even understand why he would think they would use an old game for the tournament, what's the point in doing a huge event for a 6 year old game? Surely anyone with half a brain could join the dots of big smash tournament + new smash coming out this year = marketing event for the new smash game?

 

[Riki]

You are right, he did an Nintendo E3 show and obviously spent less than 2 minutes preparing his material.

I still enjoyed his show and thought he was funny, although I admit he has an unhealthy 'no love' of Iwata...and could not be arsed to do any pre-work at all

Less than 2 minutes? Less than zero seconds.
He's completelt ignorant.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Pachter comes across as a Nintendo hater but what it really is is his frustration with the company. Michael just let the rabbit out of the hat early, he just told us what is going to happen at E3 and I have to agree with him, it will be just like he said. They will talk about how well Mario Kart is doing, how well the 3DS is still doing even though it's about half of the DS did. They will show Smash Bros, talk about Zelda and all the other familiar franchises and that will be it. No real surprises. Hope he's wrong.

 

[BGBW]

he just told us what is going to happen at E3

 

[Holykael1]

The man is saltier than the ocean.

 

[HaterIsHating]

For me, the most important statement was that arguing over the internet about the quality of Nintendo and its games is pretty much useless, when people actually do not buy the games and console (they defend). You have to vote with your wallet, everything else is just hot air.
Pachter absolutely got that right, and that's something everyone should consider.

Unfortunetly, since I joined GAF I read the following on a regular basis:
"Wow, MK8 / DK:TF / SM3DW / TW101 / ZombiU / Pikmin 3 / WWHD / LCU seems to be a really good game, I'd like to try it, I'm very tempted to buy a Wii U. Unfortunately the Wii U has no games and that's why I bought a PS4/XBone to play The Last Guardian / Project Beast / Halo 5 / Sunset Overdrive!"

In the meantime "generic Open World Game XY" and "generic FPS Z" sell millions of copies because the owners of PS4 / XBone are starved of games

So: Go out and buy the one console that actually has games as of now and that will get some other releases in 2014 (that are NOT delayed to 2015)

 

[Mael]

Pachter comes across as a Nintendo hater but what it really is is his frustration with the company. Michael just let the rabbit out of the hat early, he just told us what is going to happen at E3 and I have to agree with him, it will be just like he said. They will talk about how well Mario Kart is doing, how well the 3DS is still doing even though it's about half of the DS did. They will show Smash Bros, talk about Zelda and all the other familiar franchises and that will be it. No real surprises. Hope he's wrong.

That's something I don't get, you could basically say this about pretty much any manufacturer here :
"They'll talk about how well they're doing, show some game and that's it"
I mean if that's the extent of what's said I wonder why get excited about anything at all.

 

[Uno Venova]

on a scale of 1 to 10 how 'under your skin' is pachter right now

 

[Gucci Messiah]

The keywords are: Pot, Kettle and Black.

I'm coming off as superior by saying Pachter does his job well and knows what he's talking about for the most part? For not feeding into the hate machine? For questioning Nintendo?

Haha, okay man.

 

[Haunted]

I can see how a market analyst like Pachter would be impatient and fed up with Nintendo.

They haven't even put Mario on mobile yet, despite so many voices from the analyst (community? industry?) telling them to do so.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

That's something I don't get, you could basically say this about pretty much any manufacturer here :
"They'll talk about how well they're doing, show some game and that's it"
I mean if that's the extent of what's said I wonder why get excited about anything at all.

After E3 we will continue this and see who had the most surprises and which of the big three are providing us with the most content and the richest gaming experiences both online and offline. Pachter said Nintendo fans don't vote with their wallet, is he right or wrong?

 

[Mael]

I'm coming off as superior by saying Pachter does his job well and knows what he's talking about for the most part? For not feeding into the hate machine? For questioning Nintendo?

Haha, okay man.

But that's not his job the whole Pach Attack.

After E3 we will continue this and see who had the most surprises and which of the big three are providing us with the most content and the richest gaming experiences both online and offline.

Or most likely play and care even less about it.
Seriously considering the last 4 years, e3 is not the thing I'm looking forward for the 2nd week of june.

 

[BolognaSoup]

The "internets" Nintendo fans (myself included) do own the Wii U. It's the Wal-Mart shopping market looking for Bro Shooter '14 that they aren't capturing.

 

[sdconvoy]

Came in looking for "Nintendo 'Wins' E3 Confirmed"

Was disappointed. :-(

 

[Gucci Messiah]

I can see how a market analyst like Pachter would be impatient and fed up with Nintendo.

They haven't even put Mario on mobile yet, despite so many voices from the analyst (community? industry?) telling them to do so.

I don't know how well Nintendo games would transfer without physical buttons, they probably don't want to taint their brand(s) by putting out crappy mobile ports. Original content is another story though.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

I can see how a market analyst like Pachter would be impatient and fed up with Nintendo.

They haven't even put Mario on mobile yet, despite so many voices from the analyst (community? industry?) telling them to do so.

And that's awesome.

 

[Yado]

Pachter comes across as a Nintendo hater but what it really is is his frustration with the company. Michael just let the rabbit out of the hat early, he just told us what is going to happen at E3 and I have to agree with him, it will be just like he said. They will talk about how well Mario Kart is doing, how well the 3DS is still doing even though it's about half of the DS did. They will show Smash Bros, talk about Zelda and all the other familiar franchises and that will be it. No real surprises. Hope he's wrong.

I bet if they do reveal some surprises the response is going to be "well, that isn't going to save the Wii U anyway"

 

[Louis Cyphre]

I bet if they do reveal some surprises the response is going to be "well, that isn't going to save the Wii U anyway"

Maybe from Pachter but not from me. I'm interested in games, not how many units it sold. Pachters job is the market, mine is about how much fun the system will provide.

 

[MisterHero]

I bet if they do reveal some surprises the response is going to be "well, that isn't going to save the Wii U anyway"

*paraphrased from Mario Kart sales thread*

"But the sales will drop to normal next week!"

 

[Kimawolf]

Yeah, this response just confirms to me that you're really not somebody worth interacting with. Between the failure to watch the video (ya know, the subject of the post), hyperbolic statements, and air of superiority; I can't take you seriously anymore.

What are you defending? The fact the man made a video about an event he had no knowledge of? He made a Nintendo E3 video and couldn't even Google Nintendo and e3?

Either he is a fool, which I doubt or he is purposely acting like he didn't know. But for you to defend such foolishness screams agenda. Deflect all you like but its pretty clear what was going on

 

[ryushe]

Pach's a master troll and you guys are all falling for it :lol

Also, I agree with the Serial number thing, haha

 

[Louis Cyphre]

What are you defending? The fact the man made a video about an event he had no knowledge of? He made a Nintendo E3 video and couldn't even Google Nintendo and e3?

Either he is a fool, which I doubt or he is purposely acting like he didn't know. But for you to defend such foolishness screams agenda. Deflect all you like but its pretty clear what was going on

I just don't think Pachter cares all that much anymore. He's lost all faith in Nintendo and was likely a huge fan of their in the past. His videos seem to be directed at all the defenders and apologists while hoping Nintendo listens to his criticisms and makes some changes.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

I thought this was pretty funny. He's not half as negative as I expected reading this thread. The only people he insults in this video are people who check Press Passes to get into E3.

I actually kinda liked his suggestion that everyone who posts positive things about Nintendo should post their WiiU serial numbers.

Literally the most disgusting thing about this video is his level of enthusiasm at seeing Adam Levine.

 

[Chindogg]

Yeah, this response just confirms to me that you're really not somebody worth interacting with. Between the failure to watch the video (ya know, the subject of the post), hyperbolic statements, and air of superiority; I can't take you seriously anymore.

The irony is this response is exactly how I feel about Pachter when it comes to his opinions.

 

[Kimawolf]

I just don't think Pachter cares all that much anymore. He's lost all faith in Nintendo and was likely a huge fan of their in the past. His videos seem to be directed at all the defenders and apologists while hoping Nintendo listens to his criticisms and makes some changes.

I agree with this. I am a fan as well but its evident they have the path they are on and its set so why be antagonistic about it is all I am saying.

 

[openrob]

I must have been the 4th guy

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

Why not? The PS360 is close to that figure, and with Nintendo's console with even less support I don't see why that's not possible.

This is an entire topic in itself, but briefly;
- here comes the market contraction
- this is not going to be a 8 year hardware generation

Their current strategy seems to be trialing new properties as budget titles before iterating and scaling them up as we've seen with Pushmo and the new Pushmo world.

That's always been Nintendos strategy.
They also make so many experimental titles attached to the "Mario family" because it is cheaper to reuse assets.

I think the problem with the E3 Direct is that it's probably more cost-effective but it still just makes them look kinda cheap, and it makes them look like they don't consider themselves a major player.

I think they're being smart, looking at the console market bloodbath thats happening right now.

Certainly more smart than other guys who choose to go with having Jamie Kennedy doing a stand up routine while Usher provides the beats, then turning around and shutting down a studio.

And how many share are there in total of Microsoft? I own shares of Microsoft, am I supposed to have more accurate guesses? I mean I bet that 250k is like .1% of MS, probably less.

Wedbush Morgans shares in Microsoft are worth over $9 million. I bet yours aren't. The company he is professionally employed by has a vested interest in Microsoft doing well in all of their business ventures.

You are right, he did an Nintendo E3 show and obviously spent less than 2 minutes preparing his material.

"Hey Pachter, did you prepare for your segment on Nintendo at E3 yet?"

 

[zeldablue]

I thought this was pretty funny. He's not half as negative as I expected reading this thread. The only people he insults in this video are people who check Press Passes to get into E3.

I actually kinda liked his suggestion that everyone who posts positive things about Nintendo should post their WiiU serial numbers.

Literally the most disgusting thing about this video is his level of enthusiasm at seeing Adam Levine.

The die hards already bought the thing. There aren't that many of us.

The rest of the fans are waiting for shiny new Mario, Zelda and Smash. The reason the other fans are waiting is because there is no confidence in this system...Nintendo doesn't even know what they're doing with this thing still. This E3 really determines whether Nintendo is still lost in their own little world or not.

Spreading more misinformation isn't exactly the best way to stay professional. If this guy did the same thing with Sony or Microsoft, he'd be fired immediately for hurting their company's client.

 

[Wildstar75]

The party story/advice is funny. Maybe I should give it a try! My friends and I actually snuck into the Nintendo party one year. Our producers wife worked there and helped us out. We were already staying in the same hotel so that helped. We had to wait until the party was half over to get in but it was amazing. Red Carpet Entrance. Top shelf open bar for all. Great food spread. Big Bad Voodoo Daddy performing live. And beautiful hired dancers to dance with you. They called it the Big Bad Nintendo Party. It was!

 

[x-Lundz-x]

Pretty spot on.

 

[Not75Drops]

I agree to a certain extent that they should actually do a live press conference but yeah this just screams misinformed with a mix of trolling in the way that he's saying but whatever.

Yeah, pick on me - that's the style....Pick on Pachter...Ad Hominen - go for it

The fact is WiiU is not selling and Mr Pachter is basically saying WiiU is irrelevant at E3.....


If you don't like it, fine, if you disagree, tell us why it is wrong, will Smash brothers get WiiU sales to 500,000 on NPD in summer for example ?

Try debating the subject, which is WiiU relevancy at E3, Pacht has given up on it and just being funny, if he is wrong then tell us why.

He is right goodness sake -

ask my 11 year old son or his school mates who Iwata is and Iwata asks - he could not answer you. He would have no idea.

Ask him who pewdiepie is or Syndicate and his 8 million people following him - he will know. He will rattle off cool games he has heard of like dayz and we don't even have a gaming PC.

Don't you think a middle aged guy in a pre-recorded video is a cool way to show off a game to a young kid ?

We seem to be at the "moving the goalposts stage". You were already called out for not bothering to properly read the article you actually posted. It's plainly clear that the problem is that you don't care, which is fine but don't blame Nintendo just because you can't be bothered. You find out about the other press conferences in the same manner.

Oh and your second post makes no sense since you specifically go at Nintendo for not using an annoying Youtuber but the others get a free pass just because it's live?