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Just finished Savers. It's the first season I've watched with subs so I'm not sure how much that effects my opinion compared to other seasons. Overall I'd put it well below Tamers, a bit below Adventure, and about even with Frontier.

Positives:

Animation was mostly really good.
It was paced well enough that there wasn't too much boredom other than 1 episode.
2nd opening in best in the series by far (at least compared to American version of seasons 1-4).
Nearly everything in the digital world was great.
Ikuto's
story is great.
Bonchouleomon
was badass.

Negatives

So many damn flashbacks to previous episode. It got tiring how much they showed
Yukidarumon's
death among many other things repeatedly.
They constantly tease humans dying but in the end no one actually does except for possibly Kurata. Masaru's father being magically revived by Yggdrasil at the end was stupid.
I didn't like the look of many of the new Digimon. Gaomon's evolution line is the only one I thought that looked decent. All the Ultimate's (Mega's) looked good but most were older Digimon.
There's so much lore that is teased throughout the season but is not actually shown.
I think there were twelve guardians like Mercurimon but we only see or hear about him and Saberleomon. There's also 7 demon lords but after Belphemon dies nothing about them is mentioned again.
The ending
where everyone just believes hard enough to help beat Yggdrasil is part of why I hated 02's ending.

Still enjoyed the season. Will eventually watch Fusion, probably dubbed, at some point. May even watch previous seasons subbed to see how much difference there is in American and Japanese versions.
 
I've only watched until Frontier.

My favourite is Tamers. I would almost put Adventure 2 on top but I hated the new cast of characters.
 
stryke said:
I've only watched until Frontier.

My favourite is Tamers. I would almost put Adventure 2 on top but I hated the new cast of characters.
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Adventure 2 is much worse if you go back and rewatch it. I had 02 above Tamers for awhile as well but that was also because I never saw the last few episodes (which I hate the ending of 02 more than any other season by far).
 
unknownstranger said:
Adventure 2 is much worse if you go back and rewatch it. I had 02 above Tamers for awhile as well but that was also because I never saw the last few episodes (which I hate the ending of 02 more than any other season by far).
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You're probably right. It's been a very long time since I've watched it whereas I've rewatched Tamers only a couple years ago and I still enjoyed it.

TK and Patamon having a less of a role was another strike against A2 for me because they were pretty pivotal to major moments of the plot before.
 
It's not really adventure 02 iirc, it's just 02 (as in 2002).

unknownstranger said:
Just finished Savers. It's the first season I've watched with subs so I'm not sure how much that effects my opinion compared to other seasons. Overall I'd put it well below Tamers, a bit below Adventure, and about even with Frontier.

Positives:

Animation was mostly really good.
It was paced well enough that there wasn't too much boredom other than 1 episode.
2nd opening in best in the series by far (at least compared to American version of seasons 1-4).
Nearly everything in the digital world was great.
Ikuto's
story is great.
Bonchouleomon
was badass.

Negatives

So many damn flashbacks to previous episode. It got tiring how much they showed
Yukidarumon's
death among many other things repeatedly.
They constantly tease humans dying but in the end no one actually does except for possibly Kurata. Masaru's father being magically revived by Yggdrasil at the end was stupid.
I didn't like the look of many of the new Digimon. Gaomon's evolution line is the only one I thought that looked decent. All the Ultimate's (Mega's) looked good but most were older Digimon.
There's so much lore that is teased throughout the season but is not actually shown.
The ending
where everyone just believes hard enough to help beat Yggdrasil is part of why I hated 02's ending.

Still enjoyed the season. Will eventually watch Fusion, probably dubbed, at some point. May even watch previous seasons subbed to see how much difference there is in American and Japanese versions.
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Oh shit no.

Do NOT watch Fusion. Watch subbed Xros Wars instead, I think it's still in crunchyroll.

Trust me.
 
Boss Doggie said:
Frontier had a really good thing coming to it.

Too bad it was ruined when halfway through it became the Takuya and Kouji show.
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This! Goddamn it this! What's the point of making all the other characters useless. DBZ syndrome.

It's the reason Tamers will always be the superior show with the better characters.
 
Are you referring to Takato being the strongest, or Hirokazu/Kenta?

I wouldn't put them in the same field, so I was pretty satisfied with the 4 main characters managing to evolve to the ultimate level and fighting together. I'm rewatching it again as an adult now, so that might change :P
 
Digimon Frontier was the last season to be composed by Takanori Arisawa, and my what an excellent job he did as usual.


Takanori_Arisawa.jpg
 
WeaponKnight said:
Are you referring to Takato being the strongest, or Hirokazu/Kenta?

I wouldn't put them in the same field, so I was pretty satisfied with the 4 main characters managing to evolve to the ultimate level and fighting together. I'm rewatching it again as an adult now, so that might change :P
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Takato being the sole focus with maybe some Henry and Ruki. Hell, Henry isn't even that remembered alot.

Stuff like this is common in shonen, it's just that Frontier made it too damn obvious.
 
Fair enough.

Also.. don't kill me but when I was younger I LOVED 02 :/ I don't know why. Hell, I preferred it to Adventure and Tamers. I remember that I thought armor digivolving was amazing at the time, and then when they did the fusion stuff I lost it. I don't think I liked the ending, however.
 
belucheez said:
Fair enough.

Also.. don't kill me but when I was younger I LOVED 02 :/ I don't know why. Hell, I preferred it to Adventure and Tamers. I remember that I thought armor digivolving was amazing at the time, and then when they did the fusion stuff I lost it. I don't think I liked the ending, however.
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A lot of people felt this way when they were young. I did and a few other people in this thread did. I never did see the ending of 02 when I was younger though.
 
Adventure 02 had the potential to be awesome if they expanded on the Daemon and Dark Ocean story-line imo. Its the least favorite of my Digimon Series but they still had some awesome moments and the soundtrack was really good too.

Yamato and Sora played a big part in souring that season for me.
 
Tamers is special. It fills double duty as a hard subversion of the usual monster-and-monster anime subgenre and also as a heart-breaking story of loss and overcoming despair. The level of storytelling it pulls off for a kids show is insane. I like most of the rest of Digimon, even a lot of 02, but they are leagues apart. Even if it's not what you want from Digimon all of the time (understandable, seeing as it's super heavy and it purposely lacks a lot of the adventurous spirit of the earlier series and Frontier), you must recognise why it's so beloved.

Oh, and it has the best realisation of the whole "digital" aspect of the series this side of Our War Game. They've never had as perfect a foe as the D-Reaper before or after.

unknownstranger said:
Meh can't find Tamers subbed on Youtube. Tried watching a bit of Savers dubbed but found it awful.
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It's on Netflix, subbed and dubbed.
 
googleplex said:
Did they ever explain why Angemon was so damned over-powered? He was a champion level Digimon that was as powerful as a mega.
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Not answering your question here, but it is weird that Angemon and Angewomon are companion Digimon, even though Angewomon is an ultimate and Angemon is a champion level. Always found it weird that Gatomon could stay champion for days at a time, while it seemed other digis couldn't.

Oh and some how Salamon (Gatomon's Rookie form) turns from a dog into a cat, then into an Angel, and then into a dragon.
Yes I know a lot of Digimon are the same way.
 
googleplex said:
Did they ever explain why Angemon was so damned over-powered? He was a champion level Digimon that was as powerful as a mega.
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anime canon and shit

also virus < vaccine < data < virus

Hot Coldman said:
Tamers is special. It fills double duty as a hard subversion of the usual monster-and-monster anime subgenre and also as a heart-breaking story of loss and overcoming despair. The level of storytelling it pulls off for a kids show is insane. I like most of the rest of Digimon, even a lot of 02, but they are leagues apart. Even if it's not what you want from Digimon all of the time (understandable, seeing as it's super heavy and it purposely lacks a lot of the adventurous spirit of the earlier series and Frontier), you must recognise why it's so beloved.
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Eh I guess. Personally I didn't really see any "subversion". It doesn't feel that impactful for me because it feels artificial and have to rely on unnatural setups (oh look this girl is broken, etc.) to work. Compare that to, say, The Land Before Time or The Little Toaster, whose circumstances are dramatic because they don't feel unnatural. Little Foot isn't emotionally scarred because her mother got pregnant early in life or that edgyness.
 
Boss Doggie said:
Eh I guess. Personally I didn't really see any "subversion". It doesn't feel that impactful for me because it feels artificial and have to rely on unnatural setups (oh look this girl is broken, etc.) to work. Compare that to, say, The Land Before Time or The Little Toaster, whose circumstances are dramatic because they don't feel unnatural. Little Foot isn't emotionally scarred because her mother got pregnant early in life or that edgyness.
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I don't think there's anything unnatural about a little girl having her mother die. That stuff happens all the time, both in real life and in fiction. There's nothing edgy about it. It's classic tragedy. It'd be edgy if Jeri's mum died because oh shit, the Digimon killed her! or something stupid like that, but that's not what happened. She just died, probably from cancer or something. It's very natural. More importantly, it's not shown to have a radical affect on Jeri's psyche much in the beginning, besides the understandably strained relationship with her stepmother and father. It's only after Leomon kicks the bucket that she starts spiralling.
 
NaDannMaGoGo said:
You're telling me Littlefoot is a girl!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!??!?!?!??!?!
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Whoops :P

tbqh for a boy he has those eyelashes

Hot Coldman said:
I don't think there's anything unnatural about a little girl having her mother die. That stuff happens all the time, both in real life and in fiction. There's nothing edgy about it. It's classic tragedy. It'd be edgy if Jeri's mum died because oh shit, the Digimon killed her! or something stupid like that, but that's not what happened. She just died, probably from cancer or something. It's very natural. More importantly, it's not shown to have a radical affect on Jeri's psyche much in the beginning, besides the understandably strained relationship with her stepmother and father. It's only after Leomon kicks the bucket that she starts spiralling.
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That's the "edgy" or "unnatural" part though, that she has a hinged psyche much like those fetish anime. Yeah it's normal to have a parent die, but I feel like it would be much more impactful if said death occurred at least with presence and the character didn't end up like a nut.
 
Boss Doggie said:
That's the "edgy" or "unnatural" part though, that she has a hinged psyche much like those fetish anime. Yeah it's normal to have a parent die, but I feel like it would be much more impactful if said death occurred at least with presence and the character didn't end up like a nut.
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Again, losing two important people in your life, especially when the second one is murdered in front of you, that doesn't leave everyone entirely together...

Not sure why you'd mention fetish anime. I'm not familiar, like most people aren't.
 
I watched the first seasons when I was a child, so I don't remember them.

I remember Tamers and Frontier and Tamers is my favourite Digimon anime, I thinks it ranks high even in the full list of anime I watched
 
Hot Coldman said:
Again, losing two important people in your life, especially when the second one is murdered in front of you, that doesn't leave everyone entirely together...

Not sure why you'd mention fetish anime. I'm not familiar, like most people aren't.
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psycho lolis or lolis with some mental strangeness in general

And yeah, but I guess I want more presence on that. Like, it would be more impactful if we see the changes rather than outright being unhinged at the start.
 
Rewatching the later half of Savers again, I would put it above Frontier and near Adventure. Once
Kurata
in gone, the rest of the season flows really well.
 
belucheez said:
Always found it weird that Gatomon could stay champion for days at a time, while it seemed other digis couldn't.
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She evolved naturally before she met Hikari. It's only the digivice-induced evolution that's so short.

belucheez said:
Oh and some how Salamon (Gatomon's Rookie form) turns from a dog into a cat, then into an Angel, and then into a dragon.
Yes I know a lot of Digimon are the same way.
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It's still a dog. Her japanese name is Plottmon, after the breed.
 
I watched up until Frontier, didn't like it as much as the first 3 shows. Tamers is my favourite. I'm glad we had satellite tv and channels like RTL2, (are these shows available in German dvd?), I didn't even speak German but years of watching German tv my knowledge of the language became pretty good. The perks of speaking another Germanic language I guess. :P

Anyways Digigaf should definetly check out the latest game, it looks mighty fine http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=844865
 
I've been a Digimon fan since I was a kid, having watched Adventure, 02 and Tamers part-way, and then Frontier all the way, I only relatively recently (a few years back) got back into the series with Savers and started rewatching Adventure and 02 subbed, and then finished Tamers as well. I think the franchise could go in incredible directions in the right hands.

Which is a terrible shame when I hear that Fusion is a terrible dub (apparently that's partly due to the dubbing process being a massive clusterfuck and a bureaucratic nightmare with every company involved, including Namco, Toei, Nick and Saban having their say in the process) and that we likely won't get any new games localized anytime soon, and said games are either mobile card games or bog-standard JRPGs. It's like Bamco barely even cares about the franchise anymore, especially outside Japan.

Which makes me wonder: can Bamco actually make Digimon relevant again globally as a franchise? Well, of course they can, if they bloody well tried. They brought back Tamagotchi successfully for a time before they stopped caring about that too and things petered out.

"Okay, smartass, how?" Well, there are some easy ideas...
  • Make a V-Pet smartphone game. This is so simple that I am shocked Bamco hasn't tried it yet. They already have the existing virtual pet game, they don't even have to make devices for it, and there are already monster-raising games on the platform, so there's a market for the genre. You've already got an established brand, and Pokemon is never gonna come over to smartphones in any meaningful capacity, so all Bamco would have to do is create a v-pet game that updates with new Digimon, provide high-res graphics (or the traditional LCD visuals for that retro option), add new mechanics, and they've got a potential money-making hit on their hands on the cheap, smartphone gamers will eat it up, especially if the game is carefully and fairly monetized. And, to go with that...
  • Make a new animated series to promote said game, with a Digivice styled after a smartphone. This also should be a non-brainer. Seriously, this should've happened years ago.
  • Do something interesting with the handheld/console games. We've had enough turn-based RPGs, and while Bamco did bring back the DW1 "v-pet style" for Re:Digitize, that kind of limits what you can do in terms of gameplay and narrative. I dunno, maybe give us a Platinum-made Savers game. That would be amazing.
  • Optional: Make an MMO that isn't crap. Seriously, while I haven't played Digimon Battle, Masters is your bog-standard Korean MMO. Speaking of which, stop farming your MMOs out to the Koreans.

Seriously, it makes me wonder what the hell Bamco is doing with this franchise, because they could seriously give it some new life internationally if they actually gave a damn.
 
Candescence said:
I've been a Digimon fan since I was a kid, having watched Adventure, 02 and Tamers part-way, and then Frontier all the way, I only relatively recently (a few years back) got back into the series with Savers and started rewatching Adventure and 02 subbed, and then finished Tamers as well. I think the franchise could go in incredible directions in the right hands.

Which is a terrible shame when I hear that Fusion is a terrible dub (apparently that's partly due to the dubbing process being a massive clusterfuck and a bureaucratic nightmare with every company involved, including Namco, Toei, Nick and Saban having their say in the process) and that we likely won't get any new games localized anytime soon, and said games are either mobile card games or bog-standard JRPGs. It's like Bamco barely even cares about the franchise anymore, especially outside Japan.

Which makes me wonder: can Bamco actually make Digimon relevant again globally as a franchise? Well, of course they can, if they bloody well tried. They brought back Tamagotchi successfully for a time before they stopped caring about that too and things petered out.

"Okay, smartass, how?" Well, there are some easy ideas...
  • Make a V-Pet smartphone game. This is so simple that I am shocked Bamco hasn't tried it yet. They already have the existing virtual pet game, they don't even have to make devices for it, and there are already monster-raising games on the platform, so there's a market for the genre. You've already got an established brand, and Pokemon is never gonna come over to smartphones in any meaningful capacity, so all Bamco would have to do is create a v-pet game that updates with new Digimon, provide high-res graphics (or the traditional LCD visuals for that retro option), add new mechanics, and they've got a potential money-making hit on their hands on the cheap, smartphone gamers will eat it up, especially if the game is carefully and fairly monetized. And, to go with that...
  • Make a new animated series to promote said game, with a Digivice styled after a smartphone. This also should be a non-brainer. Seriously, this should've happened years ago.
  • Do something interesting with the handheld/console games. We've had enough turn-based RPGs, and while Bamco did bring back the DW1 "v-pet style" for Re:Digitize, that kind of limits what you can do in terms of gameplay and narrative. I dunno, maybe give us a Platinum-made Savers game. That would be amazing.
  • Optional: Make an MMO that isn't crap. Seriously, while I haven't played Digimon Battle, Masters is your bog-standard Korean MMO. Speaking of which, stop farming your MMOs out to the Koreans.

Seriously, it makes me wonder what the hell Bamco is doing with this franchise, because they could seriously give it some new life internationally if they actually gave a damn.
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Personally I blame Saban for the crappy localization of Fusion.
 
I'm pretty sure Adventure, Adventure 02, and Tamers have received official subtitled releases on digital platforms like Netflix and Hulu. They'll probably get around to Frontier and Savers eventually.
 
Man. I have not thought about Digimon in a long-ass time.

I never was a fan until one day in 2005(?) I was bored and saw some reruns of Season 2 one day after school and I followed that season for 10-15 episodes until they changed the schedule and I forgot all about it.

I gotta go back and watch those first two seasons.
 
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