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[IntelliHeath]

How do people would feel if we are getting only one victory pose per characters instead of three victory poses.?

 

[Kouichi]

So anyone on the east coast playing soon?

I'm heading to Best Buy in a few minutes.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

You don't have to play it if you don't want to, its a fan mod. Should everyone else be deprived of it because you don't like it?

Yes, they should. In an ideal scenario, wouldn't you just rather play an official Smash 4 that works competitively? It's like you guys didn't even read my post and you just saw the PM criticism.

"I hope Sakurai does whatever it takes to keep something like Project M from ever happening again."

Translation: I hope Sakurai can make the game competitively viable enough so that competitive players won't feel the need to heavily mod the game and further divide the Smash scene from Nintendo.

What does project M symbolise? Other than making brawl a decent competitive game rather than the piss-poor competitive game that it is by default?

Project M symbolizes a unnecessary divide between the Smash players and Nintendo, and we DO NOT need that in this community. Despite not being a huge fan, I've long accepted Project M's place in our scene, I just don't want a repeat.

 

[Anth0ny]

So anyone on the east coast playing soon?

heading to best buy now

 

[solomon]

fuck all this lucas being cut talk



jesus christ

Man heres what I have to say to all communities (melee, Brawl and pm) this is a completely different game, Sakurai even said this is not a finished game, let him polish the game up.

 

[OricWindstar]

Not sure if this was posted, but from an hour ago:

I can't imagine anything too big after yesterday, but who knows. My bet is on amiibo stuff.

 

[BGBW]

Nope, and thats why neither team real or team fake will ever be satisfied, unless the faker comes out and admits it.

Yes, but TeamFake has an actual leg to stand on since they can say the models are different. TeamReal is dealing with a possibility that cannot be proven, which if I recall was the criticism they gave TeamFake when suggestion such like the model was fanmade were brought up. I mean does it really matter to say TeamFake won? It was just a bit of fun. It's not like suddenly everyone has to adopt a new avatar or something.

The competitive brawl community and the competitive P:M community are different though, so what he says is somewhat true.

You need the Brawl disc to play Project M. it's a mod not a standalone game so they are still playing Brawl. I'm just calling things as they are.

How do people would feel if we are getting only one victory pose per characters instead of three victory poses.?

Is this final? Have people held down a button to force other animations? I mean we're talking about people reluctant to scroll through character costumes here.

 

[Gleethor]

Are there any direct audio captures other than gamexplain's one smash run vid?

 

[Azure J]

She was terrible.

I am more shocked by Hugs lack of Leaf Shield use. Seems like a move Megaman should use a lot.

Real talk, I forget which character she was. If I figure that out, I can just as easily chalk those comments up to the biggest John ever and call it a day. :lol

So anyone on the east coast playing soon?

I'm so jealous. I should be headed out right now (Brooklyn here), but I got stuck babysitting. Such a drag.

Yep. Got my camera ready.

Has anyone been able to guess the resolution of the game? Is it a beautiful 1080p for sure? It has some of the best IQ on Wii U.

1080p until proven otherwise.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Oh, I just noticed that we got Pink Link!

 

[HawthorneKitty]

Awesome, good luck guys.

 

[JoeInky]

Project M is a mod of Brawl that makes it more like Melee. I do not see why people are so into it. The best thing it does IMO is gets rid of tripping.

Do you have any interest in competitive gameplay whatsoever? Because if not then of course you won't see why people are so into it.

Yes, they should. In an ideal scenario, wouldn't you just rather play an official Smash 4 that works competitively? It's like you guys didn't even read my post and you just saw the PM criticism.

"I hope Sakurai does whatever it takes to keep something like Project M from ever happening again."

Translation: I hope Sakurai can make the game competitively viable enough so that competitive players won't feel the need to heavily mod the game and further divide the Smash scene from Nintendo.

The way you worded it sounded more like you hoped sakurai made it so that smash 4 could never be modded, not that he should make it a good game so that P:M isn't needed.

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

What does project M symbolise? Other than making brawl a decent competitive game rather than the piss-poor competitive game that it is by default?

Well, I've definitely seen Project M used before as a way to "attack" Sakurai, sort of a "we made a game better than you!" which sort of bugs me since it's a mod of his team's game that bases itself off another game his team made.

I mean I know the Project M guys put in a lot of hard work, and I know some might be bugged by Sakurai's "have you ever made a game?" comment, but sometimes I think a lot of fans of Project M are straight up nasty towards Sakurai and it just seems to suggest a weird victim complex which Peachyhime furthers by treating Nintendo as some boogy-man when they've done nothing so far to interfere with Project M's development.

Anyway, I played Project M and had fun with it...but honestly the best part was just downloading all the goofy alternate skins and having fun with friends, the actual gameplay changes, which I can see as being funner than Brawl, didn't really keep my interest for long.

 

[Anbec7]

Oh, I just noticed that we got Pink Link!

Link link or Toon Link?
Don't play with my heart!
Is there video or pic????

EDIT: PEOPLE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

RECORD THE COLORS LOL
Or take some pics please!

 

[Redrop]

How does an opinion make me look idiotic? I don't like what Project M symbolizes, I don't like the execution of Project M and I don't like the prospect of getting another one. Why is that a big deal?

Well you see, when your first post says "Kill it with fire," people who are fans of Project M will probably take offense. And judging by how defensively diplomatic this followup is, I'm guessing you quickly realized your opinion would be quickly questioned.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Not sure if this was posted, but from an hour ago:

I can't imagine anything too big after yesterday, but who knows. My bet is on amiibo stuff.

I'm still holding out for a vet. No trailer required, just a reveal. Game and Watch would work fine, as would Wario or Metaknight.

 

[BGBW]

Oh, I just noticed that we got Pink Link!

SOMEONE ACTUALLY BOTHERED TO SELECT AN ALTERNATIVE COLOUR!?!

 

[OricWindstar]

Are there any direct audio captures other than gamexplain's one smash run vid?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZjG9gkgr0Y (Living Room Footage)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwzkBBQEHGQ (More Smash Run Footage)

 

[SmithnCo]

When you can prove that it wasn't an 'in progress, un-finalized render' of palutena.

So by these rules, team fake could never win. Luckily team real can't either.

 

[Thorakai]

I just want Ice Climbers revealed so that I can lay my worries to rest.

 

[PK Gaming]

Has this been posted yet?

Here is what we know is in there,

Old Melee

L-Cancel – doesn’t seem to be in
Wavedashing – Definitely no
Shield Drop – Yes
Short Hop – Yes

Old Brawl Techniques
Run–> Turnaround is doable
DACUS – No one could do it
Glide tossing – None
Laser Lock – similar to Falco Laser lock, We managed it with Pikachu

Edge Mechanics
- Invulnerability depends on a combination of:
o %
o Air Time
o Distance recovered
- No Edgehogging
o If you hold ledge, and someone else wants it after, you get kicked off
 After kickoff, lag before you can do an action
- Brawl Ledge grab -> Run, turnaround grab ledge
- Ledge regrab doesn’t give invulnerability (THANK GOD)
- Run off stage  somersault/tumble motion XX(cancellable) into action
- Run off stage  grab edge in tumble (only certain characters)

Throwing
- Delay after throwing someone. Really hard to follow up (!!!)
- No grab release infinites
- Mashing is doable *Unconfirmed*

Dashing
- Dash dancing is impossible
- Crouching to cancel dashing is impossible
- Pivot tilts are easy. Foxtrot is possible (F-Smash out of fox trot).
- Pivot F-smash is also doable
- Dashing is really questionable in this game
- U-Smash out of dash really easy (Flick C-stick)
- Standing grab out of full dash (shield+A, or shield + up cstick)

Spike
- Really Strong,

Crouch Cancel
- None

Shields
- No lightshielding
- Tilt shield is available

Out of Shield
- U-Smash out of shield very doable (Tested with Fox, same input as Melee)
- Shield grab available

Spot Dodge
- Really solid option

Air Dodge
- Multiple in one jump
- Air dodge  land = massive lag
Meteor Cancel
- Meteor cancel is available, seems difficult to execute (TV lag?)
Techs
- Buffer wall techs
DI
- Smash DI is not in (Tested with smart bombs) or significantly less than Melee? More testing needed
- DI is somewhat noticeable

Camera
- Doesn’t scale that well with people on edges/off-stage very well
-

Controls
- ¬Charge C-Stick smash attack charges

Already looks like it's going to be better than Brawl

Courtesy of Red Ryu from Smashboards

 

[Beelzebufo]

Yes, they should. In an ideal scenario, wouldn't you just rather play an official Smash 4 that works competitively? It's like you guys didn't even read my post and you just saw the PM criticism.

"I hope Sakurai does whatever it takes to keep something like Project M from ever happening again."

Translation: I hope Sakurai can make the game competitively viable enough so that competitive players won't feel the need to heavily mod the game and further divide the Smash scene from Nintendo.

Ah my bad, I think the problem was just poor wording. I thought you wanted Sakurai to just force everyone to play the official version.

 

[theprodigy]

Yes, they should. In an ideal scenario, wouldn't you just rather play an official Smash 4 that works competitively? It's like you guys didn't even read my post and you just saw the PM criticism.

"I hope Sakurai does whatever it takes to keep something like Project M from ever happening again."

Translation: I hope Sakurai can make the game competitively viable enough so that competitive players won't feel the need to heavily mod the game and further divide the Smash scene from Nintendo.

Your first post said "kill it with fire", you will not weasel your way out of this.

 

[TheSlySoul]

Not sure if this was posted, but from an hour ago:

I can't imagine anything too big after yesterday, but who knows. My bet is on amiibo stuff.

Amiibo sounds about right. I am curious though how it will work cross-game. Like the Mario figures are probably limited to MP10 and MK8. I can not imagine putting a Link figure and it do something in Mario Party 10.

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

Real talk, I forget which character she was. If I figure that out, I can just as easily chalk those comments up to the biggest John ever and call it a day. :lol

Wasn't Peachyhime WFT?

 

[Alchemy]

I think Melee fans need to get over the fact Smash is probably never going to go back to being as deep and fast-paced as Melee was, Sakurai already said he considers Smash a party game so it seems like Melee was just a fluke on his part.

Which is why Nintendo is doing a pathetic amount of pandering to the Melee community with the Gamecube controller adapter, releasing a new Smash branded Gamecube controller, bundling those with the game in a $100 package, and even acknowledging the competitive community with the freaking E3 Invitational. None of those ever happen without the Melee community, still playing the game at Evo.

Maybe Nintendo doesn't want us to enjoy any future Smash games in a 1v1 competitive environment, but they desperately want our money.

 

[Kyzer]

I hope Sakurai does whatever it takes to keep something like Project M from ever happening again. Kill it with fire.

Lol what the fuck?

Why would you wish that upon anything?

 

[OricWindstar]

Link link or Toon Link?
Don't play with my heart!
Is there video or pic????

EDIT: PEOPLE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

RECORD THE COLORS LOL
Or take some pics please!

I'm going to take notes on my phone of any new things I see, so if anybody is looking for something in particular, let me know!

 

[k_Reign]

Amiibo sounds about right. I am curious though how it will work cross-game. Like the Mario figures are probably limited to MP10 and MK8. I can not imagine putting a Link figure and it do something in Mario Party 10.

They've already talked about Amiibo today, probably right around when that tweet went live. Plus they didn't specify a version. There's probably more coming but it's likely to be same old same old.

 

[Dr.Hadji]

Well, that's more on Nintendo, as what did they think would happen if they invited a bunch of Melee/Project M players to play this?

They got the most notable people to hype up a tourney. So on that, they made some good choices. But this reaction, I could see it coming from a mile away. The Melee community isn't going to change. What's more, people thinking they can intuit future meta games is the most over stated ability of gamers.

 

[PK Gaming]

Wasn't Peachyhime WFT?

No, that was Neha (the player who got 3rd)

Peachyhime was the villager player (5th)

 

[OricWindstar]

Amiibo sounds about right. I am curious though how it will work cross-game. Like the Mario figures are probably limited to MP10 and MK8. I can not imagine putting a Link figure and it do something in Mario Party 10.

What I've found most interesting is they keep showing two different Mario figures (the first one they showed, with Mario just standing, and the one of him in his Smash Bros. pose). So, are certain characters getting multiple figures that do different things, or was that first one just a placeholder?

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Which is why Nintendo is doing a pathetic amount of pandering to the Melee community with the Gamecube controller adapter, releasing a new Smash branded Gamecube controller, bundling those with the game in a $100 package, and even acknowledging the competitive community with the freaking E3 Invitational. None of those ever happen without the Melee community, still playing the game at Evo.

Maybe Nintendo doesn't want us to enjoy any future Smash games in a 1v1 competitive environment, but they desperately want our money.

I'm not a hardcore melee player and I love the GCN support. The controller is just so comfortable.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Well you see, when your first post says "Kill it with fire," people who are fans of Project M will probably take offense. And judging by how defensively diplomatic this followup is, I'm guessing you quickly realized your opinion would be quickly questioned.

If someone gets offended because someone else insults a video game they don't like they should probably grow up a little. It's a video game.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Pink Link

 

[User 73706]

So, who really one between #TeamReal and #TeamFake?

Spoiler

Nobody. You guys are too focused on disproving the other's shit and you both need to be appreciative Smash 4 is a thing that is happening. Everyone has to wear Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff avatars.

 

[icy_eagle]

I hope Sakurai does whatever it takes to keep something like Project M from ever happening again. Kill it with fire.

Yeah, people that enjoy different things than me are terrible. Wait what?

I think Melee fans need to get over the fact Smash is probably never going to go back to being as deep and fast-paced as Melee was, Sakurai already said he considers Smash a party game so it seems like Melee was just a fluke on his part.

I don't disagree, but sakurai's previous comments def didn't help any in making people let go (no tripping, between melee & brawl, acknowledging the competitive scene at all)

It's amazing the conclusions some in this fandom will jump to about an unfinished game.

I think it's quite natural for people enthusiastic about melee being pessimistic after seeing the recent footage considering how the build-up towards brawl went.

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. It's not Nintendo's fault she played terribly. This just screams of ungratefulness.

lol that's not at all what's going on there but ok.

On a bit of a tangent, let's talk about a mechanic I noticed that I don't think enough people were talking about. Did anyone else notice that certain spikes/meteor moves (Mario's fair most prominently) cause a forced ground bounce on a character struck with it during the invitational?

Yeah that stuck out to me as the most interesting mechanic change, think I even saw someone get ko'ed off to the side from bouncing off the top of stage after being spiked. I wonder if you can bounce a character into another one of your arieals.

 

[OricWindstar]

They got the most notable people to hype up a tourney. So on that, they made some good choices. But this reaction, I could see it coming from a mile away. The Melee community isn't going to change. What's more, people thinking they can intuit future meta games is the most over stated ability of gamers.

Don't get me wrong, I think it was a good call on their part to get those people; it really did send a message of "we don't hate the Smash community." But, yeah, of course we were going to stuff like Peachyhime's comment, though in her defense she posted some positive stuff about Villager on her Twitter account.

Again, she's totally welcome to dislike it. Her Facebook post just game off as a little dramatic to me.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

Your first post said "kill it with fire", you will not weasel your way out of this.

I'm not weaseling my way out of anything. I still don't like Project M, but I've already accepted that it exists and that it's popular. I wasn't referring to Project M when I said kill it with fire, I was referring to the ideas that are forming in people's head of a Smash 4 Project M.

 

[DaBoss]

Well, that's more on Nintendo, as what did they think would happen if they invited a bunch of Melee/Project M players to play this? And they should be able to voice their honest opinions. It just seems silly to say the game is basically a lost cause when Sakurai made a point to repeat it's still in development and they do seem to legitimately be taking feedback into consideration. Still, it is a Facebook post that she maybe just posted in passing, so I'm trying not to read too much into it.

Only Peachyhime reacted in a way that is just dumb. Don't group everyone who participated in the event like that.

Has this been posted yet?

Already looks like it's going to be better than Brawl

Courtesy of Red Ryu from Smashboards

It was.

 

[theprodigy]

If someone gets offended because someone else insults a video game they don't like they should probably grow up a little. It's a video game.

And if he doesn't want people to call him out then maybe he should choose them more carefully.

 

[ErrorMacro]

Pink Link

Awesome! I hope gold link is back as well. It was usually the color I picked.

One of the things I'm hoping for the most from the RosalinaX leak is color customization. Imagine the possibilities!

 

[PadWarrior]

Yep. Got my camera ready.

Has anyone been able to guess the resolution of the game? Is it a beautiful 1080p for sure? It has some of the best IQ on Wii U.

Mario and mega man footage please. Let us know how they feel.

 

[Redrop]

If someone gets offended because someone else insults a video game they don't like they should probably grow up a little. It's a video game.

I've seen this same, tired strawman for years now. Come back when you grow up a little, please.

 

[KHlover]

Which is why Nintendo is doing a pathetic amount of pandering to the Melee community with the Gamecube controller adapter, releasing a new Smash branded Gamecube controller, bundling those with the game in a $100 package, and even acknowledging the competitive community with the freaking E3 Invitational. None of those ever happen without the Melee community, still playing the game at Evo.

Maybe Nintendo doesn't want us to enjoy any future Smash games in a 1v1 competitive environment, but they desperately want our money.

Yeah because Melee community are the ONLY ones who prefer GCN controllers for Super Smash Bros.

/s

persecution complex in full effect here.

 

[Lunar15]

Pink Link

Are we sure that's not the already-seen purple link but from a strange angle?

 

[theprodigy]

Edit: my phone crapped out here

 

[IntelliHeath]

Is this final? Have people held down a button to force other animations? I mean we're talking about people reluctant to scroll through character costumes here.

Anything can change during development but I have seen some people finished the matches with different buttons yet we still get same victory pose but I will wait for more matches before I jumped into conclusion.

So, who really one between #TeamReal and #TeamFake?

Spoiler

Nobody. You guys are too focused on disproving the other's shit and you both need to be appreciative Smash 4 is a thing that is happening. Everyone has to wear Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff avatars.

TeamNeutral all the way!

 

[OricWindstar]

They got the most notable people to hype up a tourney. So on that, they made some good choices. But this reaction, I could see it coming from a mile away. The Melee community isn't going to change. What's more, people thinking they can intuit future meta games is the most over stated ability of gamers.

Don't get me wrong, I think it was a good call on their part to get those people; it really did send a message of "we don't hate the Smash community." But, yeah, of course we were going to stuff like Peachyhime's comment, though in her defense she posted some positive stuff about Villager on her Twitter account.

Again, she's totally welcome to dislike it. Her Facebook post just game off as a little dramatic to me.

Only Peachyhime reacted in a way that is just dumb. Don't group everyone who participated in the event like that.

Hope it didn't come off that way, as I didn't mean for it too. Honestly, I'm not even that upset with her, I just think it wasn't the most tactful way to present criticism.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

And if he doesn't want people to call him out then maybe he should choose them more carefully.

Call him out for an opinion? Maybe you should adjust your priorities of what you think you need to call people out for.

He didn't personally insult you, the fact that you think you need to call someone out because they said they don't like something you like is just proving my point.

I've seen this same, tired strawman for years now. Come back when you grow up a little, please.

He said something that had nothing to do with you and expressed his opinion on something he didn't like. You took offense to something you probably had nothing to do with. It's not far off from fanboyism. Out of the two of us I'd say you're the one who needs to grow up.