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Lebron James' NBA Finals record is now 2-3, fails to 3-peat this year
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They played in the regular season too. In that playoff series.....Reggie did his thing against MJ. Bulls were a better team and it damn near went seven.
I'm not understanding why he sees it this way either. Jordan went through battles back then...but the Bulls were better. Doesn't make the rest of the league fodder. Phil is one helluva coach.
I would too. Rodman would fit the system. They transformed Bosh into some corner three shooting monstrosity. I mean he's good at it, but considering everyone else on the team is a spot shooter, whats the fucking point of even paying for him?
The "finals won/lost" ratio is also a moot point.
Not counting losses for teams that just didn't make it that year is a sucker way to do the ratio.
Time Duncan was playing for the spurs for '08 through '12. You don't just get to magically take away those years as not counting against his record. If anything, it's LESS impressive than a finals loss because they didn't even MAKE IT to the finals.
At least LeBron got there. Sure, maybe he lost in the finals, but he got there. Counting that AGAINST LeBron is honestly just idiotic.
Not counting losses for teams that just didn't make it that year is a sucker way to do the ratio.
Time Duncan was playing for the spurs for '08 through '12. You don't just get to magically take away those years as not counting against his record. If anything, it's LESS impressive than a finals loss because they didn't even MAKE IT to the finals.
At least LeBron got there. Sure, maybe he lost in the finals, but he got there. Counting that AGAINST LeBron is honestly just idiotic.
jordan0386
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Majority of the Bulls playoff matchups were against guards who weren't capable of more than 17 a game. Where as MJ can put up 35 in his sleep.
All we remember is Jordan getting fouled hard and being played tough by Starks. MJ still had his 35 and Starks and the rest still barely had their 17.
There is fatigue and sometimes you lose due to fatigue.
The bulls were up 3-1 in majority of their early round battles. MJ was two levels above everybody else at the guard spot.
The league had great players, but as an individual Mike was too good.
Spacing.
JinjoUnchained
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The funniest thing about the Heat loss is how LeBron dropped 30/10, but still lost the title because his supporting cast turned into the Miami Cavaliers. So now what? The Decision 2?
jordan0386
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He only battled vs the Knicks because their toughness matched his individual brilliance.
Every other series was a relative cake walk.
Feigned impartiality, get. Jordan played in a post expansion period of diluted competition. Look at some of the garbage teams that comprised the "powerhouse" east. Goons in tank tops isn't scaring anyone. Jordan never took on a veteran championship core like the Doc Celtics or a well regimented defense with the league MVP like the Thibs Bulls. He never faced a team even close to the level of the Spurs, much less the red hot 2011 Mavs. Every Finals he drew an OKC out of the deck and drubbed them. Yeah, I'm not buying it. PEACE.
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So Michael Jeffrey Jordan has always told a different story and talked about how hard it was. He lying?
that series did go to game 7. Bulls were down 15 at one point....
captmcblack
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Jordan is overrated.
Thanks, GAF!
Thanks, GAF!
jordan0386
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96: 3-0 4-1 4-0 4-2
97: 3-0 4-1 4-1 4-2
98: 3-0 4-1 4-3 4-2
The Bulls toyed with the league. To say otherwise is foolish.
97: 3-0 4-1 4-1 4-2
98: 3-0 4-1 4-3 4-2
The Bulls toyed with the league. To say otherwise is foolish.
Mammoth Jones
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This. This is what it always comes back to for me. If he had just been humble then it is what it is. But there was a LOT of hype and shit talking about a dynasty of "not 7", lol.
Obviously James is an incredible player. They'll adjust for next season and come back strong. Wade will prolly opt out. They need fresh blood.
Ninja Scooter
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Let's take time out to appreciate the 2001 Lakers. In their path to the Finals they beat the Blazers (who were in the WCF the year before and pushed LA to 7), the Kings (who would be in the WCF the following year and push the Lakers to 7) and the Spurs (who were already a championship winning team) and SWEPT ALL THEIR ASSES. Best team ever.
Battersea Power Station
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LeBron, Melo, Durant, Chris Paul, Steph Curry are all teaming up and getting Phil Jackson to coach them. Not 2, not 3, etc.
this thread is dumb, Jordan's team had an all time great with Scottie Pippen who was being paid pennies for a dollar.(dont forget they won 55 games w/o Jordan, fucking team was loaded) Kobe was riding Shaqs dick for 3 championships, and they got prime Pau Gasol on the last 2. And all of these championships were coached by the great Phil Jackson.
Lebron got an old and done Dwayne Wade whose specialty is midrange jumper and soft ass Chris Bosh who cant even post up and loves the jumper too. While being coached by Philipino Jackson.
Even of Lebron scored 50 they're still gonna lose with spurs fucking going for the 3 all the time. Boggles my mind that they would have layups but still pass it for a 3.
Lebron got an old and done Dwayne Wade whose specialty is midrange jumper and soft ass Chris Bosh who cant even post up and loves the jumper too. While being coached by Philipino Jackson.
Even of Lebron scored 50 they're still gonna lose with spurs fucking going for the 3 all the time. Boggles my mind that they would have layups but still pass it for a 3.
I can actually agree with this. Prime Shaq was a monster. That team was ridiculously good. PEACE.
Epsilon-delta
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You can't fault the comp if MJ adapted and developed his bread-and-butter fadeaway J. He was so consistent with that it became legendary.
You deserve a hug. Not a team has touched them since.
Epsilon-delta
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Prime Shaq and Kobe were monsters. The best Lakers duo IMO.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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The day after losing by the biggest total point margin in nba finals history is probably not the best day to pull out the hey guys give LeBron a break he played harder teams than jordan argument
Liquidsnake
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And lets not forget. James is now 30 will be 31.
The best I had ever seen. They really should have won 6 together.
The best I had ever seen. They really should have won 6 together.
DoktorEvil
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Bulls were down 2-0 to the Knicks in the ECF in '93.
Epsilon-delta
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And no team ever will when it comes to their historic playoff run.
I think this pretty much kills any Jordan comparison at this point. Which is good because a lot of the Lebron hate comes from this. He's not as good as Jordan. Let's move on and judge him for the player his is.
Kobe > Lebron
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Complaining about Lebron's teammates on the Heat is a joke. They're overstacked and filled with great players taking pay cuts to win championships. At this point it's disingenuous to blame his teammates. Lebron didn't come to play either.
Kobe > Lebron
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Complaining about Lebron's teammates on the Heat is a joke. They're overstacked and filled with great players taking pay cuts to win championships. At this point it's disingenuous to blame his teammates. Lebron didn't come to play either.
Skiptastic
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Sounds like John Elway. And he seems to be doing just fine.
Ninja Scooter
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There isn't really a precedence for how LeBron will age though. I used to think he'd fall off steeply but he has done a good job of reinventing himself into sort of a Point-Power Forward that is taylor made for this new style of NBA with a decent enough post up game that I think he can be really effective into his early-mid 30s and still be a top player.
That's an odd jump to make ...
sixpackrules
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that lakers team was awesome, Best team ever maybe a little to far, i fell in love with basketball in the magic- bird era, i´m a lakers fan since then
I don't know about that.
His points on Jordan being a bumass fraud (that's how I interpreted it) made sense to me. Not sure I am on board with Lebron being the greatest of all time but Pimp was so persuasive I have no choice but to sign up for the Jordan was a fraud who is sexually attracted to Michael Jackson impersonators bandwagon.
I'm joking around and stoking the flames at the same time. I'm suggesting that's the more appropriate comparison to make. It's only fair because before Lebron was the pretender to Jordan's throne it was Kobe.
jordan0386
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It went on more than that though. He came with the decision and the intro showboat. People hated it. He acted like he he was tough and didn't care and was cool playing the villain. Then they lost in the finals and when he came back the next season he was all "aww shucks, I just want to get back to playing ball and having fun like I have all my life" rewrite.
That whole stretch just felt super manufactured by a pr team. "Take my talents to south beach" was obviously fed to him by some bozo. Then they realized they goofed and have tried to massage his image ever since. It all feels as fake as the lameo "style" he tries to push off that some paid employee handed him.
Audible Phonetics
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But why are you discrediting Miami rather then crediting Spurs defense. These same players plowed through the east to the Finals. That Logic is flawed.
plain and simple spurs were a better team this year. They wanted this more and it was evident.
jordan0386
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I mean all athletes are fake in a sense. Image is everything.
For whatever reason, Derek Jeter is allowed to be a womanizer. For whatever reason.
I don't think any NBA player would be allowed to have a different g/f every year. On the scale to what Jeets has done.
If you have distaste for one form. Should be the same for all.
The thing that separates MJ from any other basketball player (hell, any other player in the MLB, NFL or NHL too) I've ever seen was his killer instinct, and how the man kept a chip on his shoulder for everyone who ever slighted him (or even if MJ only pereceived/invented the slight) and could channel that at will to just destroy everything in his path (all the way to his epic HoF speech haha). I vividly recall watching him in his prime and how he could, through sheer force of will, completely take over a game when he wanted to. And once he kicked himself into that gear, he could not be stopped. Bulls down by 15 in the 4th? Doesn't matter, MJ is on and he won't let them lose. You just knew it. And he always managed to do it. When you saw that look in his eyes, look out, shit's about to get real.
That's what sets him above any other athlete I've watched. The greatest competitor ever.
That's what sets him above any other athlete I've watched. The greatest competitor ever.
Heh. I was thinking same.
Yeah. SA straight up came to play and Miami didn't.
Audible Phonetics
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And the closest imitation we've seen to that is Kobe
Ninja Scooter
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c'mon if we are harping on the MJ comparisons complaining that one guy seemed fake and manufactured seemed silly. Jordan's entire life was manufactured to be a PR sneaker selling machine when he was playing. He was as phony as they come.
Ive done nothing but credit the spurs. They owned us. But the only person producing for us was Lebron. Both those things are true.
Also "wanting it more" is cheap analysis. This result can be explained with way more than just will. The Spurs motion and offense is just so amazing.
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Please, don't ask ME about Michael Jordan!
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I'll keep that in consideration.
Audible Phonetics
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It isn't a cheap analysis. I can't even begin to explain the complete lack of effort I saw in Miami. Even Lebron's interview before Game 5, where he said "it's just basketball"
Kobe or MJ would NEVER speak like that before a possible elimination game.
Miami constantly kept walking back on defense, specially when they didn't get a call. Also the reason no one else produced is because the Spurs played better defense. If it was any other team, I fully believe Miami would of won.
OriginalNameGuy
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25/6/3
35/10/3
22/5/7 (with 5 steals)
28/8/2
31/10/5
All of this while being guarded by finals MVP Kahwi Leonard and having two seven footers(Duncan and Tiago) meet him at the rim. Yes, it was all Lebron's fault(/sarc). You want to call him out for averaging 18 ppg against the Mavs in 2011, fine. To say he didn't come to play in this series is a complete joke.
Bwahaha, so true.
I think this difference is though that Jordan was always simply a vehicle to sell things to kids - basic commercialism.
On the other hand, Lebron sold-out on his hometown team (even if he's actually from Akron) to go to a tailor-made team designed to win championships into perpetuity in the most melodramatic way possible. I know pro sports is a male soap-opera, but I think that was just too much for a lot of people.
No one is saying this. We're saying blaming his teammates for their losses is a tired argument. Also, I said Miami didn't come to play.
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