Some Americans argue that Europeans should not blackface, even if they have never heard of the concept of blackface before.
Then they post racist shit on twitter when an Indian American wins the national spelling bee.
Kim Kardashian's night out RUINED by attendant in BLACKFACE :biblio:
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Some Americans argue that Europeans should not blackface, even if they have never heard of the concept of blackface before.
Then they post racist shit on twitter when an Indian American wins the national spelling bee.
yeh but the prophet mohammed's bredwin wasn't.
In fact if you do just a tiny bit of research (i've provided you with basically the key of life for fucks sake already! lol), you'll find that Ishmail, the father of the great philistine nation was of negroid stock also.
my only issue is the truth. plain and simple.
you remind me of blissful ignorance surrounding a horse brought to water.
The context and your actions are what's interpreted, not the symbol itself. It's all about when, where and how you wear it. Is Christoph Waltz a nazi for wearing a swastika in Inglourious Basterds? Of course not, he's an actor playing a role. And neither is white kid wearing black face paint to play Balthazar of the Three Wise Men in any way or shape racist. That's a traditional thing in Europe as well, by the way. Doesn't have to be a white kid, of course, but if less than 1% of the people are black, your casting options are obviously limited.
What are you saying?
That the Umayyad invasion of the Iberian Peninsula was done by black people? Black moors?
You mean Berbers?
I don't really understand.
nope. what your reading is simply the "whitewashed" version of events my friend. HIStory is not necessarily [b/]OUR[/b]story
remember that not too long ago people thought moses, jesus and cleopatra were "white as snow".
black people have only been white men slaves for a very short period of human history. and before the slavery everything was completely different. polar opposites if you can imagine.
you see quite simply, the europeans had fuck all to trade with.
no gold(or just shit quality), no diamonds, emeralds, rubies, onyx, or any pretty jewellery. No silk. No sugar, no herbs of interest. no fruits of interest (rhubarb?nah!). No rice. Fuck all man!
Black, Indian, chinese and all men of colour in-between, had these in abundance and traded with one another in peace and quite with no racism......then came the boats (vasco da game)
quick...duck!
just saying that's all
TRUTH
Captain Europe
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I am from the Netherlands and I've never associated the Zwarte Pieten with black people. I can't speak for everyone, but everyone I know, regardless of skin colour, thinks they are fun and cool, they're loved and there is no mockery of anyone involved. They're much cooler than that boring Sinterklaas.
Necromanti
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It's not like there haven't been people in Holland who feel the same way. At the very least, it would be hard to deny that there are no racist implications to Zwarte Piet if you look at both its history and features like the red lips and frizzy hair. You can justify the racism and not understand it, but the elements are still there. There is an absolute, definitive link to black people.
I don't know how effective of an example that is when Ishmael is largely a fictional character, however. (Or to be fair to those of faiths concerning him, he is more of a man of legend.) You're at risk of sounding like a believer of moor-spiracist theories.
dragonelite
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Well, Genoese. Not the same thing in his day.
Not true, cultures all over the world all used slaves. And during the slave trade from africa to america the ottoman empire also enslaved millions of black people.
Surely it can't get any more meta than that. Still a interesting point of view.
lol
well if the king's james version of the bible (or any version tbf) is moor-spiracist then so be it.
@ perkyz
yes there was slavery back in the days. but slavery of a different kind. not the kind of slavery where you'll find hundreds of folk piled up on top of one another in ships like a bunch of tinned fish.
CheDominik
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Do you have anything that is properly sourced ?
Shush! Disparaging the banana throwing is a bootable offense! It's one of their proudest traditions!
Lovely Salsa
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Its different here. They throw the bananas so that the players can eat them and get more energy. Nothing racist about that
Too bad for you that you dont like that legendary episode from Fawlty Towers then.
Or so many other things.
Necromanti
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Just so that I can better educate myself, would you say that the Trans-Atlantic slave trade didn't occur the way history tells it, and that black people were in fact the true native Americans before they were enslaved?
Winterfang
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We should give Paris Hilton more attention, she is gorgeous.
well i guess this fella has quite a few stories to tell huh?
what you'll find os that black people are indigenous to many a land far and wide my friend. i guess that's why they're called the aborigines? because they're hated? you see, just by definition, to abhor is to hate/envy and when the first white men found all these people, that's what they named them.
other indigenous or original people of the land.....
negrito of Philippines
negritos of taiwan
negritos of thailand
andaman negritos (india's indigenous/original people)
australia's original people (named aborigines or to hate the originals)
history is a long one. no planes, no slaves. just boats and willpower.
Mammoth Jones
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Yeah this pretty much. Tell me more about how bad Swarte Piet is, from a country with instituzionalized police racism. Cause blacks in holland are totally discriminated by the tradition.
This is one of the worst posts I have ever seen when talking about serious stuff. Not sure if trolling or serious.
GameAddict411
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people in europe are not so sensitive to racism like the US, they don't have their bloody history with the matter or cultural/racial diversity for it be "insulting" i guess?
I hope not I know quite a few people on that production team
Those producers are good people and i would hope they wouldnt have done something like this
Mammoth Jones
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"It's only ok to criticize flaws in American culture!"
Sorry, I personally don't give a shit what country it's from the shit is offensive to me. But I'm just some random Black American. But I'm not gonna pretend there isn't racism against Blacks in Europe...
Just so you guys are aware, the reason that Kim Kardashian was furious and bolted out of the Vienna Ball (she actually hopped on a plane and fled Austria), is because immediately after being taunted and followed around at the event by the guy pretending to be Kanye West in blackface...came yet another racist incident from another man involving the n-word (which was caught on tape below)!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz4SZquKPzc
Also her date (Austrian tycoon Richard Lugner) who paid her half a million dollars to attend the Vienna Ball, apparently expected sex as part of the $500,000 appearance fee. When she refused, he verbally attacked her and called her a "bitch".
http://popbytes.com/billionaire-richard-lugner-kim-kardashian-is-a-bitch/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz4SZquKPzc
Also her date (Austrian tycoon Richard Lugner) who paid her half a million dollars to attend the Vienna Ball, apparently expected sex as part of the $500,000 appearance fee. When she refused, he verbally attacked her and called her a "bitch".
http://popbytes.com/billionaire-richard-lugner-kim-kardashian-is-a-bitch/
The Afrocentric teachings dc r1der is posting have nothing to do with the Nation of Islam man.
Just so you guys are aware.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz4SZquKPzc
Also her date (Austrian tycoon Richard Lugner) who paid her half a million dollars to attend the Vienna Ball, apparently expected sex as part of the $500,000 appearance fee.....
well tbh that's the least i'd be expecting too loooool
Some German comedian even made a "niggers in Vienna" joke during an interview with Kim. So add that to the list of evening ruining things
Oliver Pocher: Kardashian-Scherz auf Wiener Opern : http://youtu.be/fsVBlDHokbw
Happens at the end of the clip.
Edit: oh, it was just posted
Oliver Pocher: Kardashian-Scherz auf Wiener Opern : http://youtu.be/fsVBlDHokbw
Happens at the end of the clip.
Edit: oh, it was just posted
SecretMoblin
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Europe just doesn't have a long, bloody, racist history with African people. That must be it!
Yeah, its like all those slaves appeared in America by themselves and all over Africa they were only free countries. That must be it.
IdreamofHIME
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Find it strange when people say there was no black face in Europe...coz there was.
I'm not saying Zwarte Piet is black face, but just google "robertsons jam mascot" for a nice slice of Euro blackface racism....although the company always said their owner didn't know it was racist when he 1st saw blackface while traveling in Amercia before WW1. lol.
I'm not saying Zwarte Piet is black face, but just google "robertsons jam mascot" for a nice slice of Euro blackface racism....although the company always said their owner didn't know it was racist when he 1st saw blackface while traveling in Amercia before WW1. lol.
Ehhh, that is not funny at all.
oneils
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I don't really know why this is hard to understand. We can even put aside racism, for now.
Sure context and intent matter. However, so do results and consequences. If your actions offend people and those people give you a fairly coherent and reasonable explanation for why they are offended, you should probably examine and contemplate your actions. Hopefully there is useful dialogue.
After said reflection, hopefully you find it within yourself to empathize with the offended party and change your behaviour. Should you continue with the behaviour, you are (at the very least) an asshole.
In short, don't be an asshole.
Sure context and intent matter. However, so do results and consequences. If your actions offend people and those people give you a fairly coherent and reasonable explanation for why they are offended, you should probably examine and contemplate your actions. Hopefully there is useful dialogue.
After said reflection, hopefully you find it within yourself to empathize with the offended party and change your behaviour. Should you continue with the behaviour, you are (at the very least) an asshole.
In short, don't be an asshole.
It's really that simple. Even if you(claim) not to have the history, you can still see why something is offensive or just not a good look. I don't even have a problem with zwelte pete, except the hoops people jump through to say it isn't based off African people.
My favourite part of these threads is how vehemently some people insist something isn't racist, despite all the people telling them so. They can't see the irony in their rejection of empathy and embracment of ignorance basically confirming the counter argument.
It's like if I say something which multiple women tell me is sexist and explain why it's sexist, continuing to insist it's not offensive may mean I'm a little bit sexist...
It's like if I say something which multiple women tell me is sexist and explain why it's sexist, continuing to insist it's not offensive may mean I'm a little bit sexist...
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Transhuman
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You get that it's a Niggas in Paris reference though right?
SecretSphere
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What about the blacks in Aruba? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ud_io_FFX0
Or Bonaire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryuKjAbqltU
Still awkward as fuck and not funny.
Is this a wrong moment to mention that Africans sold each other into slavery?
EDIT. We went from American slavery to Europeans selling slaves in a sort of "who's the biggest racist" contest.
In light of this the comment seemed appropriate to make because how ridiculous it was getting.
Mods can send me a PM if they have any questions, i pissed a lot of people off it seems.
EDIT. We went from American slavery to Europeans selling slaves in a sort of "who's the biggest racist" contest.
In light of this the comment seemed appropriate to make because how ridiculous it was getting.
Mods can send me a PM if they have any questions, i pissed a lot of people off it seems.
Or ban me, but i'd rather you don't as i like it here.
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Transhuman
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I'll agree that it's a lame joke, but hyping it up as racism as people will be wont to do is a stretch.
The worst part of these threads are people who think their opinion is the right one without thinking that culture may be different. "Blackface is very wrong in America, its only use is mocking and offending black people in the States, so when I see blackface somewhere else it is racist. No matter what. And everybody disagreeing is a fucking racist". Nice job projection your own culture on other places without hesitation or any form of study into the matter.
It should say something that every Dutch or Belgian person in here says something like: "Zwarte Piet isn't racist."
Yeah, but I can really understand why she wanted to get the hell out of there. she must have gotten a super weird impression, as if everyone in Europe constantly throws out some racial jokes.
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