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[DC R1D3R]

As far as I know, Spain was conquered by people from north Africa, mainly arabs and berbers, not black men.

well then what you know is wrong my friend.

 

[one_kill]

Is this somewhat famous person a racist?

Yes or No?

He is

Spoiler

not

 

[Korey]

This is scripted, by the way

It's fake.

 

[Sendou]

This is scripted, by the way

It's fake.

If it's fake then who is the racist in this case? Obviously it can't be the man if he is just an actor.

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

Good on the Kardashians explaining what is wrong with this I guess. The general demographic of their show should could probably use all the educational TV they can get.

 

[KaiserBecks]

Is this somewhat famous person a racist?

Yes or No?

No. The swastika is a sign of "good luck" (or something like that) in many cultures, the Nazis didn't create it.

 

[itxaka]

well then what you know is wrong my friend.

I know there were Zulu tribes involved (which are awesome in their traditional garbs on the moors and cristians festivities) but Im not sure of others.

Care to explain it further?

 

[Booty Patrol]

Your history, culture and context. It doesn't work like that.

Someone posted examples of minstrel shows broadcasted on the BBC across Europe. Someone else posted a link detailing slave trades across Europe. That doesn't sound like the 'history, culture and context' of America.

 

[kamorra]

No. The swastika is a sign of "good luck" (or something like that) in many cultures, the Nazis didn't create it.

According to the logic shown here he is.

Spoiler

And yes, I know he isn't. It was me pointing out that using a swastika is a bad argument.

 

[wsippel]

Not only that but an swastika is such a bad example, seeing as for other cultures still means good things.

We even have swastikas carved in a Roman villa floor in Spain.

So im guessing that shows the point a lot of people is missing, different cultures dont see the same thing in things. For some are good, for some are bad and for same are nothing.

I simply assumed he was talking about the black/ red/ white armband worn in the 3rd Reich specifically. But you're obviously totally correct, the symbol itself doesn't even have a single specific meaning in the first place. It's hilarious and a bit sad because it's banned in Germany as "anti-constitutional", which also affects buddhist temples and other completely unrelated uses of the symbol. Political correctness gone horribly wrong.

 

[Zaptruder]

Someone posted examples of minstrel shows broadcasted on the BBC across Europe. Someone else posted a link detailing slave trades across Europe. That doesn't sound like the 'history, culture and context' of America.

If we remove the context of early American media... what does blackface have to do with slavery?

 

[itsgreen]

Someone posted examples of minstrel shows broadcasted on the BBC across Europe. Someone else posted a link detailing slave trades across Europe. That doesn't sound like the 'history, culture and context' of America.

And yet it isn't a thing here...

 

[BlackSalad]

Without context, wearing a swastika means nothing, just like painting your face black means nothing. Do you wear the swastika because you are a nazi, because you want to mock nazis, or because you're an actor playing a role? In the first case, you are a nazi. In the second, you're not a nazi. In the third case, you might or might not be a nazi but the swastika won't tell us. Same thing with black face paint. Is the intention to mock black people, mock racism, or is it worn by an actor playing a role? That alone determines whether or not it's racist, not the symbol or face paint itself.

You're missing my point, it doesn't matter what I think, I could think a swastika is fine, popular, cool, trendy, or whatever. In the western world, if I were to wear a swastika, is is generally interpreted the same. The Consequences are going to be the same, regardless of my intentions. The fact that there is previous context with the swastika limits the interpretation.

Same theme reflects with "blackface", as that is a symbol of racism. Perhaps that is not how blackface is viewed in your country, but it is offensive to others, and ignorance of that fact does not justify the action.

 

[DC R1D3R]

I know there were Zulu tribes involved (which are awesome in their traditional garbs on the moors and cristians festivities) but Im not sure of others.

Care to explain it further?

how deep do you want to go? i could try and explain but i'm afraid a "timeout" would ensue lol.

but here......this guy will explain much better than I. When you find out where the root of racism stems from, it really is quite frightening but shockingly insightful.

 

[itsgreen]

You're missing my point, it doesn't matter what I think, I could think a swastika is fine, popular, cool, trendy, or whatever. In the western world, if I were to wear a swastika, is is generally interpreted the same. The Consequences are going to be the same, regardless of my intentions. The fact that there is previous context with the swastika limits the interpretation.

Same theme reflects with "blackface", as that is a symbol of racism. Perhaps that is not how blackface is viewed in your country, but it is offensive to others, and ignorance of that fact does not justify the action.

We should change our traditions because Americans, who don't understand or have experienced it, feel offended. Noted.

 

[itxaka]

You're missing my point, it doesn't matter what I think, I could think a swastika is fine, popular, cool, trendy, or whatever. In the western world, if I were to wear a swastika, is is generally interpreted the same. The Consequences are going to be the same, regardless of my intentions. The fact that there is previous context with the swastika limits the interpretation.

Same theme reflects with "blackface", as that is a symbol of racism. Perhaps that is not how blackface is viewed in your country, but it is offensive to others, and ignorance of that fact does not justify the action.

So Asia should stop using the swastika as it offends Europe?

 

[kamorra]

You're missing my point, it doesn't matter what I think, I could think a swastika is fine, popular, cool, trendy, or whatever. In the western world, if I were to wear a swastika, is is generally interpreted the same. The Consequences are going to be the same, regardless of my intentions. The fact that there is previous context with the swastika limits the interpretation.

Same theme reflects with "blackface", as that is a symbol of racism. Perhaps that is not how blackface is viewed in your country, but it is offensive to others, and ignorance of that fact does not justify the action.

So Buddhist should stop using the swastika because it's highly offensive to us?

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Beaten like a Nazi

 

[Discotheque]

hasn't the swastika symbol kind of decreased in use amongst the faithful post-ww2 tho?

also i think there's an easy rule to follow here: if it's making a mockery of an ethnicity/race then it probably shouldn't be done.

 

[block tower]

We should change our traditions because Americans, who don't understand or have experienced it, feel offended. Noted.

your right, i would hate to deprive you and your culture from putting black paint all over your face, coloring your lips bright red and wearing an afro wig.

 

[itsgreen]

your right, i would hate to deprive you and your culture from putting black paint all over your face, coloring your lips bright red and wearing an afro wig.

Well that is settled than...

 

[one_kill]

hasn't the swastika symbol kind of decreased in use amongst the faithful post-ww2 tho?

also i think there's an easy rule to follow here: if it's making a mockery of an ethnicity/race then it probably shouldn't be done.

So I shouldn't dress up as a ninja any more?

 

[Dreams-Visions]

White friends: do not do this. It's neither clever nor funny.

How the fuck does someone even gain access and get close enough to anyone to be seen before security boots them?

 

[Sendou]

So I shouldn't dress up as a ninja any more?

Is it something you do regularly? More so you use it in a way that mocks Japanese?

 

[itxaka]

how deep do you want to go? i could try and explain but i'm afraid a "timeout" would ensue lol.

but here......this guy will explain much better than I. When you find out where the root of racism stems from, it really is quite frightening but shockingly insightful.

Damn thats long. Thanks for the link!

 

[Discotheque]

So I shouldn't dress up as a ninja any more?

that doesn't even fit in the rule though. but if you slanted your eyes? that's racist. 'yellow-face' also quite prevalent during the mickey rooney hollywood era.

 

[one_kill]

Is it something you do regularly? More so you use it in a way that mocks Japanese?

Does it matter if I do it regularly or not?

 

[Sendou]

Does it matter if I do it regularly?

No it's actually unrelated to the point you were trying to make (at least I think you were trying to make a point but that sounds like a weak connection considering what a ninja was in essence and the historical context) but I just wondered about your ninja dressing habits.

 

[megateto]

well then what you know is wrong my friend.

Black men in the Muslim armies were slaves so I guess they were treated as grunts. Anyway, I've added the documentary you linked to my YouTube list, so thank you!

 

[ItAintEasyBeinCheesy]

If it's fake then who is the racist in this case? Obviously it can't be the man if he is just an actor.

What if he was a racist actor who said he would do the job for free as long as he could blackface.

 

[Sendou]

What if he was a racist actor who said he would do the job for free as long as he could blackface.

What a sick bastard.

 

[BlackSalad]

So Buddhist should stop using the swastika because it's highly offensive to us?

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Beaten like a Nazi

So by that interpretation you're saying Buddhists are are associated with nazis? Interesting...

Context people... The general symbol of the swastika was a confusing example, but everyone understands the point. The "equilateral cross" means different things and is besides the point. It was used as an extreme example but has specific meanings. If you have problems distinguishing the intent of Buddhists from nazis, then you should probably leave this thread, as you won't understand why blackface is offensive.

 

[JohnDoe]

Kanye Kardashian's influence.

 

[Kinyou]

White friends: do not do this. It's neither clever nor funny.

How the fuck does someone even gain access and get close enough to anyone to be seen before security boots them?

From what I heard was the entire event pretty insane for Kim. Some guy she refused to dance with supposedly called her racist slurs and her host, who paid her 250.000€ for showing up, groped Kim while also trying to lure her away from her bodyguards.

 

[itxaka]

So by that interpretation you're saying Buddhists are are associated with nazis? Interesting...

Context people... The general symbol of the swastika was a confusing example, but everyone understands the point. The "equilateral cross" means different things and is besides the point. It was used as an extreme example but has specific meanings. If you have problems distinguishing the intent of Buddhists from nazis, then you should probably leave this thread, as you won't understand why blackface is offensive.

So whats the intention of Zwarte Piet? Or of this guys:

 

[Broder Salsa]

White friends: do not do this. It's neither clever nor funny.

Someone from GAF went as this to halloween once lol

Is this somewhat famous person a racist?

Yes or No?

May the stoner nazi pope be with whoever that is

 

[DC R1D3R]

Black men in the Muslim armies were slaves so I guess they were treated as grunts. Anyway, I've added the documentary you linked to my YouTube list, so thank you!

lol

the first man to ever call muslims to prayer was a black man (Bilal ibn Rabah). So if he was a mere "grunt" or slave, what kind of a mockery religion would that be my friend?

do more homework and be brave. the "indoctrinated bullshit" that you were taught in school was just that.

 

[HelloMeow]

So whats the intention of Zwarte Piet? Or of this guys:

Tradition, celebration, things like that.

 

[Fusebox]

but they both look the same

That's racist, it's clearly two different people.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

So whats the intention of Zwarte Piet? Or of this guys:

He points a lump of coal in your shoe if you're naughty, otherwise he gives you treats.

 

[itsgreen]

He points a lump of coal in your shoe if you're naughty, otherwise he gives you treats.

For me it always was "Gives you treats" or if you were naughty would take you back home to Spain in his sack.

 

[BlackSalad]

So whats the intention of Zwarte Piet? Or of this guys:

I find that very offensive, to be honest, especially after reading the wiki on Zwarte Piet... Dark skin is evil and/or a "helper" apparently. I know wiki isn't the end all be all but please enlighten through pm if that is not the origins of that practice and I will read up.

 

[ICKE]

lol

the first man to ever call muslims to prayer was a black man (Bilal ibn Rabah). So if he was a mere "grunt" or slave, what kind of a mockery religion would that be my friend?

do more homework and be brave. the "indoctrinated bullshit" that you were taught in school was just that.

Many religious figures in holy scriptures were born into slavery or adverse conditions. I really think you might have issues regarding Europeans or certain ethnic groups based on the way you try to bring your point across.

Sort of reminds me of people who go on about Chinese fleets and fabricated links to renaissance, because they are bitter about the colonial period and the structural inequality in general. It's a total cop out to say that any specific group of people led Europe away from the dark ages for example, because it was a long process and eventually social criticism resulted in enlightened absolutism and so on.

 

[DC R1D3R]

the startling thing about kim's night out is that not too long ago her people (armenians) were receiving the same treatment that the moors are now so.....that fact she got paid was definitely a bonus no?

 

[kamorra]

So by that interpretation you're saying Buddhists are are associated with nazis? Interesting...

Context people... The general symbol of the swastika was a confusing example, but everyone understands the point. The "equilateral cross" means different things and is besides the point. It was used as an extreme example but has specific meanings. If you have problems distinguishing the intent of Buddhists from nazis, then you should probably leave this thread, as you won't understand why blackface is offensive.

Ad hominem won't help you here, bud.

 

[Winterfang]

isn't there a whole holiday based around black face in Sweden?

EDIT: it was the Netherlands. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwarte_Piet

wtf a yall doing in the Netherlands with this shit? unreal.

OT: yeah it's pretty weird he was just allowed into the event like that. some people are just ass clowns.

Some Europeans argue that because they are not in American they can do black face as long as they like because of the different cultures, they say it has different meanings.

Then they throw Bananas at black people.

 

[megateto]

lol

the first man to ever call muslims to prayer was a black man (Bilal ibn Rabah). So if he was a mere "grunt" or slave, what kind of a mockery religion would that be my friend?

do more homework and be brave. the "indoctrinated bullshit" that you were taught in school was just that.

I wasn't taught anything about this in school, nor indoctrinated, we were just told that muslims conquered the Iberian Peninsula. I read your post, looked online and came with that information, arabs and berbers were the main force in the conquering of the peninsula and black men and even people from eastern Europe as slaves.

 

[kamorra]

Some Europeans argue that because they are not in American they can do black face as long as they like because of the different cultures, they say it has different meanings.

Then they throw Bananas at black people.

See, that's because we are actually racist. Nice. Apparently I should stop being outraged about Balotellis problems in Italy.

 

[BlackSalad]

the startling thing about kim's night out is that not too long ago her people (armenians) were receiving the same treatment that the moors are now so.....that fact she got paid was definitely a bonus no?

I believe you mean the moops

 

[itsgreen]

Some Europeans argue that because they are not in American they can do black face as long as they like because of the different cultures, they say it has different meanings.

Then they throw Bananas at black people.

*slow clap*

Nice way to generalize all Europeans...

 

[Kinyou]

May the stoner nazi pope be with whoever that is

That's some jrpg boss right there