JeTmAn81
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1000+ entries is very healthy, especially when it's higher than every game other than Street Fighter. When people stop showing up to majors for Marvel, then you can say it's dying.
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1000+ entries is very healthy, especially when it's higher than every game other than Street Fighter. When people stop showing up to majors for Marvel, then you can say it's dying.
EarlyEarly
Member
Sorry but I don't see an American making in top 8 for SF. And I'll pick Chris G against the field for Marvel.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Poverty games would kill to have that "not healthy" number of entrants.
MiniBossBattle
Member
I feel Marvel is not dying but concentrating. I played a little at work and the testers DESTOYED ME. Its going to be harder and harder for new players to be competitive/get into thus the numbers will get smaller over time.
That's a standard drop over a year.
Hell look at the other games last year:
Marvel had the least drop out of the old games (except Smash of course).
Assuming that to get into EVO you need 300 entrants minimum (although TTT2 got in this year with 257)... that would mean that Marvel 3 would still be an EVO game for 5-6 more years if it kept this level of decline. That would mean that this game would survive for a total of 10 years at EVO which is a feat very few games have accomplished at EVO since its inception.
In fact, I would state that getting MORE entrants over a year without a content update is an anomaly. It's not something that is expected. If SF4 didn't get updated then it would've seen a roughly 20% drop as well.
Other games would have gotten more of a knock-on drop as well. I think some folks come for the SF4 but play other stuff also.
Without Ultra Marvel dips under 1000, and KI dips under 250.
I don't think Tekken or Blazblue would be impacted that much, Tekken due to 3D being its own community, and Blazblue due to the huge prize pot.
Without Ultra Marvel dips under 1000, and KI dips under 250.
I don't think Tekken or Blazblue would be impacted that much, Tekken due to 3D being its own community, and Blazblue due to the huge prize pot.
DryEyeRelief
Member
lol
When it came to every other game, dead was it not having a presence at Next Level Battle Circuit/Big 2.
Now that Marvel is under fire, the definition became if there's any living breathing person playing the game on the planet.
so it's like street fighter x tekken
It boils down to your pessimism vs my optimism, which I can only assume stems from our different stakes in marvel. You see quarter percentage drop, I see over a thousand entries putting it as 2nd most entries despite little to no extra support in terms of money bonuses.
Not trying to change your mind but I still think its ridiculous to say marvel is unhealthy this year. Or are all other fighting games' "vitality" measured on a different scale?
notworksafe
Member
Exactly. And again, those other games don't have stream monsters who don't play the game jumping to their defense as much as Marvel. That's why it's funny to me.
The real question to me is how silly does Wiz feel about shutting out Smash players at this point?
This post has reached anti-minion level of absurdity.
JeTmAn81
Member
When you play online you can tell that almost everyone still playing this game knows how to play. If you've stuck around this long, you've learned a thing or two. It is a shame what that does to new players, though. Shark-infested waters.
SousedLouse
Member
Look, it's either dying or it's not dying. There is no graceful ageing involved in fighting games, or (as someone put it earlier) contractions in attendance. If there's no growth, there's death. It's a standard as old as SFII. We could break free from that dichotomy, but then it'd be hard to brag.
It's like how game series are labeled dead when they haven't had 2 or 3 new entries within a 5 year period. Ono couldn't have rallied people by saying "Darkstalkers is a Viable Franchise with a Strong Fandom and Unique Gameplay Mechanics which we will support in The Future", could he?
Posts like that just come with the territory once you reach a certain amount of people posting in one place. Just look at /v/ and the SA forums. Although, seems unfair to say that about all the posters here given all the responses to that post almost immediately afterwards.
Deckard Cain
Banned
The reason Marvel is "dying" is because there will not be that new version or update. Anime may go up again next year with XRD, NRS with MKX, Tekken with xSF or Tekken 7, but Marvel's #s will never increase again, only decrease.
Those are new iterations of series... not the same games that are being played this year.
Like XRD being played next year doesn't mean that BBCP is gaining more entrants (or not dying as the definition has now been made).
It's like saying MVC3 will decline until MVC4.
ShinMaruku
Member
Rumour has it DOA5U is coming for PS4 this September, NG3 Vita in October.
Cum to me. DOA5u and SF4 on ps4.
Cum to me. DOA5u and SF4 on ps4.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
marvel needs more high stakes money matches
to be fair you have to see the point. TT2, P4A, and Injustice all considered "dead games" because it sopped being streamed at NLBC at some point. Marvel suffers the same fate and apparent down trend in tournament registrations at majors and we are jumping through hoops to defend it from the same criteria we created.
Deckard Cain
Banned
Ultra is a new iteration so was Ultimate, what's your point?
To those "people" Marvel is still dead.
That "definition" was always absurd to begin with and I seriously thought that was just trolling going on by dumb ass stream monsters. Like just because Smash isn't streamed at NLBC doesn't mean it's a dead game.
I meant series iteration as in SF3 -> SF4 not SF4 -> SSF4.
What you were saying is that a game is healthy as long as it gets a new iteration which is going into "no duh" territory. Marvel is the same... it will decline until MVC4. Same for USF4... it will decline until the next iteration (USF4 ver2016 or SFV).
Of course Smash is the exception here... it actually gained entrants despite not only having a series iteration in Brawl.
sixteen-bit
Member
DOA5U would look great with the image quality of the promotional bullshots. I hope the PS4 version comes close to that.
SousedLouse
Member
Agreed. Eventually you're going to see some wild posts, no matter what. There's no safe quarter from any of them, you just have to roll with it or call them out.
Yeah totally. Just keep that baffling criteria out of these kinds of discussions.
The people who are arguing that Marvel is dead would argue that MVC2 was dead from 2003-2010.
Deckard Cain
Banned
The thing too is I have zero interest in Marvel now. Scrubex at CEO was one of those rare out of the blue things but in the end we still just had Chris G, JWong. Marvel is like a sitcome episode, no matter what happens during the actual tournament, in the end the result is the same & nothing actually changes.
Marvel is a bit boring to spectate and I personally have no will at this point to play it but it isn't a dead game.
RockTurtle
Member
is mvc2 dead?
i have not bought any mvc3, but i think it's my favorite game to watch, slightly edging out sf4. no game has brought out the hype moments it has for me.
JOKES ON YOU GUYS< I WAS ONLY TROLLING LUL
In the end, it seems like we're the simple ones anyways:
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=119058569
the share button is made for DOA
Deckard Cain
Banned
Except you're wrong & Ultra is a new iteration just like Ultimate was. Doesn't matter if it's 3 or a 4 it's still a NEW game & new is all it takes to bring in new players & keep the old interested. You honestly believe that without Supet & Ultra SFIV would still have over 1000 enterance?
Deckard Cain
Banned
Never said Marvel is dead, don't put words in my mouth.
sixteen-bit
Member
lol some poster went crazy in the Vita screenshot thread with DOA5++
MiniBossBattle
Member
What makes MvC2 amazing isn't just the game but the players; Thats ten years of dedication, skill and refinement. Seeing those money matches FT15 is watching two amazing players put out their best, use every trick, train their opponent then take that investment when they need it.
I look forward to the way UMvC3 will be played in high stakes money matches.
I look forward to the way UMvC3 will be played in high stakes money matches.
I am actually agreeing with you. I already stated that SF4 would not have those numbers if USF4 didn't come out.
What I was saying was that SF3 is not SF4 and BBCP is not GGXRD. So saying that BBCP/anime is "alive" because of GGXRD is misleading as you are not talking about the game you are talking about a community.
I'm not putting words in your mouth. You not being interested in marvel on any level (I even sympathize with that) has little to do with he ~1k people that are registering to play it is what I'm trying to illustrate to you. The game is doing good CONSIDERING all of the circumstances following it.
Karsticles
Member
The Tekken pad excuse is hard to swallow. Folks will spend $400+ on plane tickets and $300+ on room and board, but won't spend $50 or something on an adapter? This is a community where most people spend $100+ on their controller. Street Fighter numbers wouldn't drop significantly in such a situation.
Yes, we tend to see the same few at the top at most majors, but is SF any different? How many GF Rufus mirrors have we had to tolerate over the years? The fact is that top players that travel a lot will place a lot. Evo is the one time everyone who matters shows up, and there are always upsets.
We have had a new Evo champ every year. How can you say nothing changes? Plus we had a new killer emerge last year in the form of Cloud, and it was his first Evo. I think that the potential for surprises is very high. Hell, how many times has KBR gotten close to winning? If he is fortunate enough to avoid ChrisG, he could take it. ApologyMan could also easily take his first Evo.
Yes, we tend to see the same few at the top at most majors, but is SF any different? How many GF Rufus mirrors have we had to tolerate over the years? The fact is that top players that travel a lot will place a lot. Evo is the one time everyone who matters shows up, and there are always upsets.
The main point of interest at this year's EVO is if ChrisG will finally win at EVO. He's been the favorite for the past 2 years.
KBR has to avoid Justin, FChamp and ChrisG to take EVO. I don't see him taking wins over those 3 players under any circumstances and chances are that at EVO to win the whole thing you would have to face at least one of those 3.
As for me... I am 100% in Justin Marvelous Wong's camp. Manly tears will be shed if he wins. I don't care if I am the only person who feel this way.
KBR has to avoid Justin, FChamp and ChrisG to take EVO. I don't see him taking wins over those 3 players under any circumstances and chances are that at EVO to win the whole thing you would have to face at least one of those 3.
As for me... I am 100% in Justin Marvelous Wong's camp. Manly tears will be shed if he wins. I don't care if I am the only person who feel this way.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Dead is like...all the games Shouta plays like VF, SFxT, and Breakers 2
SousedLouse
Member
The Repercussions of this post are too great for me to bear. Truly, we are the demons.
DryEyeRelief
Member
No SFxT still gets entrants at majors, so by the new definition, it is not dead.
Shouta
Member
I haven't played any of those games at all recently, lol. USF4 and BBCP mostly. And Breakers 2? What son? It's all about Asuka 120% Burning Fight.
Deckard Cain
Banned
You are missing the point a 3 and 4 on the end makes no difference. If when Super came out the called it SF5 & Ultra SF6 it would make 0 difference in the increase or decrease of player base.
The anime community is fucking random, that's why I put "Anime" because last year was Persona not BlazBlue BUT, unlike every other FGC genre anime players just play the next arcsys Fighter reguardless of name. They are an exception to the rule & consider that rule in addition to the Guilty Gear IP, you could easily see a continued increase in "Anime" #s.
Funny thing. On one hand, umvc3 is scrubby and easy and random and anyone can win. On the other hand, the consistency at the very top is boring for a lot of people. I think a lot of the higher level marvel players have improved more than the guys on top but still have ways to go until 1st place starts becoming truly contested at majors.
Would like to see some good play vs the best this year at evo!
gotta believe.
Karsticles
Member
What team are you going to run this year? I haven't seen you play in a while. Also, are you still working for Sony in some capacity?