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You are hiring basically an on-screen personality. So being compatible and being able to mesh well with the other on-screen personalities is one of, if not the most important qualifications. In that sense, Dan is far and away the best choice.

I don't even know what this vague idea of being "compatible" and "mesh" really means when it comes down to it. It seems to mean have the same general taste in things and come from similar backgrounds and perspectives.

In short, it seems like (unintentionally) coded language. I can understand that you want someone that can carry a conversation, is articulate and knowledgeable about games. But that's not the same thing as "compatible" and "meshing" which seem to supiciously close to meaning "someone just like the rest of us."
 
Patrick was pretty awkward with the other personalities when he was first hired. Somehow, the site survived.

Patrick also took a ton of shit for dominating conversations and being kind of annoying early on. He was also added on top of a already established cast. Dan is brought in to basically replace two of the most charismatic and entertaining guys in this line of work in Ryan and Vinny.
 
Patrick was pretty awkward with the other personalities when he was first hired. Somehow, the site survived.

Drew is still a little awkward on camera and on the podcast and mostly stays quiet in both. It's weird I don't see many calls for him to be replaced.

Both were not initially contracted because in-camera, or at least there was intention of Patrick as a news editor as I remember. (Drew has started to spoke a lot more in latter podcasts and has been crazy people that are beginning to get annoyed, so there is people...)
 
Both were not initially contracted because in-camera, or at least there was intention of Patrick as a news editor as I remember. (Drew has started to spoke a lot more in latter podcasts and has been crazy people that are beginning to get annoyed, so there is people...)

people don't like drew? wtf
 
I love the sentiment than anyone could do what Jeff or Vinny or Brad do just as well as them and they don't really have any special skills. I just love it.
Since no one else has, I'm going to go ahead and point out you avoided addressing that poster's pont to drag the conversation down a rabbit hole on a tangent.
 
I do think Dan is probably the best choice for the job because A) they probably can't hire Vinny back to SF and B) them working with a new hire without a lot of experience probably wouldn't work out not because of the lack of experience, but because they probably need a high level of existing chemistry to hit the ground running here.

I mean, the topic we're all kind of dancing around here is GB's been kind of floundering in the last year. There's reasons, some tragic, some unavoidable, but they've been on a downhill slide in terms of strong, regular, driven content. They probably figured that it's best to get someone they knew would fit in, and thus make better content with them, right from the getgo.
 
Popped into this thread for the first time since listening to the Bombcast last night... the fuck is going on?

Anyway, Dan seems like a great fit for GB. Looking forward to seeing where the site goes when they really get into the swing of things and GB East gets set up properly.

Yeah. same here. What happened?
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To shortly sum up what's going on, internet(small, vocal minority) is mad they hired two white males, Dan Ryckert and Jason Oestreicher.

EDIT: And yeah, I'll add that people on the other side of the fence are being rude to others. It's a shoddy situation.

Okay.
 
I don't even know what this vague idea of being "compatible" and "mesh" really means when it comes down to it. It seems to mean have the same general taste in things and come from similar backgrounds and perspectives.

In short, it seems like (unintentionally) coded language. I can understand that you want someone that can carry a conversation, is articulate and knowledgeable about games. But that's not the same thing as "compatible" and "meshing" which seem to supiciously close to meaning "someone just like the rest of us."

I thing is kind of desingenious that you reached that conclusion.

Actually, by pure job titles, the other guy with the weird last name Jeff couldn't pronounce is actually replacing Vinny. Dan's a totally new position.

Ryan (part of the administrative and communtie duties went to Rorie but...)
 
Drew is still a little awkward on camera and on the podcast and mostly stays quiet in both. It's weird I don't see many calls for him to be replaced.

Drew is held to low expectations because he is supposed to just be a video guy that contributes in the areas that his interests dictate. Only recently has he been thrust into being a main being a premiere personality. Whoever the new higher were to be they were accepting a position full well knowing they would have to survive on their on camera skills.
 
This was uh.... posted in the other thread.... http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=119151608&postcount=570

Definitely enlightening, to say the least.

This is the most frustrating thing to me about this. Allen and Alexander both complain about their work being marginalized, about not being able to find the employment they deserve due to them being women. And yet, the only reason anyone would ever side with someone like this is because they've drawn a line in the sand and declared that anyone who disagrees with them is some woman-hating MRA. Their works speak for themselves, it's absolute fucking twaddle at best, and hate speech at worst. Go ahead and replace "men" with "jews" in that first paragraph. It'd look like something ripped from Stormfront.
 
people don't like drew? wtf

Drew seems like a nice enough guy but if we are talking about him as an "on screen" personality in quicklooks and podcasts then it's hard to argue that GB is looking for people that are most capable of carrying a conversation or are the most knowledgable "on air."

I mean the guy very rarely plays games and mostly just talks about army stuff. Can you imagine the uproar if some videogame podcast had a women on as a regular host who almost never plays any games and just talks about Reality TV or something? Not that there is any chance of that happening. Only dudes can get on videogame podcasts despite not really being that into gaming. Women who play games all the time just get people asking them to prove that they actually play games and know their stuff.
 
Drew seems like a nice enough guy but if we are talking about him as an "on screen" personality in quicklooks and podcasts then it's hard to argue that GB is looking for people that are most capable of carrying a conversation or are the most knowledgable.

I mean the guy very rarely plays games and mostly just talks about army stuff. Can you imagine the uproar if some videogame podcast had a women on as a regular host who almost never plays any games and just talks about Reality TV or something? Not that there is any chance of that happening. Only dudes can get on videogame podcasts despite not really being that into gaming. Women who play games all the time just get people trying to get them to prove that they actually do.

Drew is Giantbombs F1 Expert.

I have a feeling i will like like Jason a lot.


I know you are reading this Alex. Keep up the good work buddy ! <3
 
people don't like drew? wtf

Seriously! All the Drew haters need to leave. He's the best!

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The number of 'most qualified for the job' comments are beginning to really irritate me. Its intuitively logical, but in a larger context it's the seeds of a self perpetuating cycle. Maybe not here since I don't really think games journalism is the most important battleline for diversity in society, but the whenever is the same whether its about this job or medicine, law, whatever... 'They're the most qualified applicant'
 
This is the most frustrating thing to me about this. Allen and Alexander both complain about their work being marginalized, about not being able to find the employment they deserve due to them being women. And yet, the only reason anyone would ever side with someone like this is because they've drawn a line in the sand and declared that anyone who disagrees with them is some woman-hating MRA. Their works speak for themselves, it's absolute fucking twaddle at best, and hate speech at worst. Go ahead and replace "men" with "jews" in that first paragraph. It'd look like something ripped from Stormfront.
Could you link to where Leigh said something like this?
 
The number of 'most qualified for the job' comments are beginning to really irritate me. Its intuitively logical, but in a larger context it's the seeds of a self perpetuating cycle. Maybe not here since I don't really think games journalism is the most important battleline for diversity in society, but the whenever is the same whether its about this job or medicine, law, whatever... 'They're the most qualified applicant'
Yes. I'm with nbthedude that all of this qualified talk is very coded.
 
Drew seems like a nice enough guy but if we are talking about him as an "on screen" personality in quicklooks and podcasts then it's hard to argue that GB is looking for people that are most capable of carrying a conversation or are the most knowledgable "on air."

I mean the guy very rarely plays games and mostly just talks about army stuff. Can you imagine the uproar if some videogame podcast had a women on as a regular host who almost never plays any games and just talks about Reality TV or something? Not that there is any chance of that happening. Only dudes can get on videogame podcasts despite not really being that into gaming. Women who play games all the time just get people asking them to prove that they actually play games and know their stuff.

You're aware that he's only there because Ryan fucking died, right? It's not what he was hired to do, although I personally feel he's performed admirably.
 
The number of 'most qualified for the job' comments are beginning to really irritate me. Its intuitively logical, but in a larger context it's the seeds of a self perpetuating cycle. Maybe not here since I don't really think games journalism is the most important battleline for diversity in society, but the whenever is the same whether its about this job or medicine, law, whatever... 'They're the most qualified applicant'

What really frustrates me about it is that it's unanswerable. Every time anyone complains about a lack of diversity and references a specific instance, it's always: "they just hired the best candidate for the job and they were right to do so." It insulates literally everyone from responsibility for hiring disparities.
 
Drew seems like a nice enough guy but if we are talking about him as an "on screen" personality in quicklooks and podcasts then it's hard to argue that GB is looking for people that are most capable of carrying a conversation or are the most knowledgable "on air."

I mean the guy very rarely plays games and mostly just talks about army stuff. Can you imagine the uproar if some videogame podcast had a women on as a regular host who almost never plays any games and just talks about Reality TV or something? Not that there is any chance of that happening. Only dudes can get on videogame podcasts despite not really being that into gaming. Women who play games all the time just get people asking them to prove that they actually play games and know their stuff.
Drew only became a regular on the Bombcast out of pure attrition. If Ryan hadn't passed away, he would only be showing up occasionally for a racing QL or a UPF. They just needed another body and couldn't hire anybody else. It's extraordinary circumstances.

I'm actually curious if he fades away from being a regular in lieu of a Jeff/Brad/Dan/Jason lineup.
 
This is the most frustrating thing to me about this. Allen and Alexander both complain about their work being marginalized, about not being able to find the employment they deserve due to them being women. And yet, the only reason anyone would ever side with someone like this is because they've drawn a line in the sand and declared that anyone who disagrees with them is some woman-hating MRA. Their works speak for themselves, it's absolute fucking twaddle at best, and hate speech at worst. Go ahead and replace "men" with "jews" in that first paragraph. It'd look like something ripped from Stormfront.

It boggles my mind how stuff like this can be tolerated. You're entirely correct, and this kind of extremism only serves to make life worse for everyone. It breeds hatred. It is hatred. There are no two ways about it, this way of thinking is the ugliest thing I've ever seen. The worst people in the world thought the same way about one person or another. It is literally heart-breaking to read stuff like that...
 
Yes. I'm with nbthedude that all of this qualified talk is very coded.

I dont understand this.

What is not clear about dan being very well qualified for the job? He has a long history of doing long form video content on the internet. He is comfortable being a personality. He is exactly what they were looking for.

how is that coded?

There are better videogame journalists out there, sure. But giant bomb was looking for something specific. Dan fits their needs to a T.
 
What really frustrates me about it is that it's unanswerable. Every time anyone complains about a lack of diversity and references a specific instance, it's always: "they just hired the best candidate for the job and they were right to do so." It insulates literally everyone from responsibility for hiring disparities.

THIS.

No one is accusing GB of anything in this one instance. How could we know? It's just a problem that keeps getting recycled and repeated, with the same reasoning being thrown own. Whether its symptomatic of the industry at large or not, its a cycle that perpetuates a problem.
 
Could you link to where Leigh said something like this?

I confused Alexander with that Maddy woman that Allen podcasted with. The one who wrote a blog about her GDC experiences. As for Alexander in particular, she's been defending her GB livestream performances with the "if I was a guy, it would been no big deal" argument for years now.
 
The number of 'most qualified for the job' comments are beginning to really irritate me. Its intuitively logical, but in a larger context it's the seeds of a self perpetuating cycle. Maybe not here since I don't really think games journalism is the most important battleline for diversity in society, but the whenever is the same whether its about this job or medicine, law, whatever... 'They're the most qualified applicant'

It's like an entire generation of people never read Virginia Woolf's "A Room of One's Own" in school. And thus, a complete misunderstanding of the point.

&#8220;I told you in the course of this paper that Shakespeare had a sister; but do not look for her in Sir Sidney Lee&#8217;s life of the poet. She died young&#8212;alas, she never wrote a word. She lies buried where the omnibuses now stop, opposite the Elephant and Castle. Now my belief is that this poet who never wrote a word and was buried at the cross&#8211;roads still lives. She lives in you and in me, and in many other women who are not here to&#8211;night, for they are washing up the dishes and putting the children to bed. But she lives; for great poets do not die; they are continuing presences; they need only the opportunity to walk among us in the flesh. This opportunity, as I think, it is now coming within your power to give her. For my belief is that if we live another century or so&#8212;I am talking of the common life which is the real life and not of the little separate lives which we live as individuals&#8212;and have five hundred a year each of us and rooms of our own; if we have the habit of freedom and the courage to write exactly what we think; if we escape a little from the common sitting&#8211;room and see human beings not always in their relation to each other but in relation to reality; and the sky. too, and the trees or whatever it may be in themselves; if we look past Milton&#8217;s bogey, for no human being should shut out the view; if we face the fact, for it is a fact, that there is no arm to cling to, but that we go alone and that our relation is to the world of reality and not only to the world of men and women, then the opportunity will come and the dead poet who was Shakespeare&#8217;s sister will put on the body which she has so often laid down. Drawing her life from the lives of the unknown who were her forerunners, as her brother did before her, she will be born. As for her coming without that preparation, without that effort on our part, without that determination that when she is born again she shall find it possible to live and write her poetry, that we cannot expect, for that would he impossible. But I maintain that she would come if we worked for her, and that so to work, even in poverty and obscurity, is worth while.&#8221; - Virginia Woolf, A Room of One's Own
 
I've alluded to this earlier today, but the GB community should use this as a time to change, mature, and excise its demons. It helps literally no one to go "No, no, this isn't our community, don't lump us in with them." For better or worse, yeah, this is totally your community, even if they're just lurkers or non-prolific or just fans. They're people that are rushing to the defense of people that don't need defending to attack people who do.

I feel like it's incredibly important that people understand that attacks on Giant Bomb are not things anyone needs to leap in front of like Kevin Costner in front of Whitney Houston. They don't need retaliation. They don't need posting screencaps of tweets with the implied "Hey, guys, agree with me that this person is terrible!" to be hashed out for pages.

There's toxic parts of the community that should be identified and excised, not ignored and hypothetically distanced until people forget. But more than that, people need to emotionally disinvest from the website if it's causing them to react like their family is under siege.

This put what I was getting at earlier far better than I could, so thanks for saying this.
 
I have never played it.

I had a friend that played it when it came out, then lost his copy right after the child Link part, and then didn't find it for seven years. Put it in the N64, played it to the end, and loved it.

He said the seven year break actually made it the most powerful game he ever played.
 
I think that kind of argument has actually made people more annoyed and defensive.


You should actually think about what's being said instead. When the problem is a lack of diversity, hiring only within a circle you're already comfortable with isn't the solution, and absolutely cannot be used as a defense.. They're right.

And as was mentioned, it's not intentional. But it's exactly the sort of thing that causes these problems in the first place, and refusal to actually think about it is why people scream about how wronged they were by others pointing out flaws in the way we do things.
 
Goddamnit. The internet seems designed to make sure we can never have a rational debate about anything ever.
It's just an extension of the real world. Rational debate is always hard to come by. I agree that for as much good social media has done to give a voice to people it is just as culpable of engendering a culture wherein our thoughts are broadcast often without the buffer of consideration.
 
I dont understand this.

What is not clear about dan being very well qualified for the job? He has a long history of doing long form video content on the internet. He is comfortable being a personality. He is exactly what they were looking for.

how is that coded?

There are better videogame journalists out there, sure. But giant bomb was looking for something specific. Dan fits their needs to a T.

It's not specifically about Dan.

It's that whenever you get into this discussion about diversifying hires (in any field), there's this common response of, "well shouldn't you hire the most qualified person instead? then everything's equal!"

Which sounds 100% logical on its face, but it actually makes a bunch of assumptions:

A) That the pool of talent available (and the even smaller number of people that an employer will look at) is equal and not inherently lopsided towards a particular group
B) That "qualifications" are an objective thing that can only be measured in one universal fashion
C) That diverse opinions and backgrounds for your staff is just fluff and not a "real" benefit compared to X Number of Years at Workplace
D) That the lopsided number of hires from one demographic that occurred before an attempt to diversify must have all been completely equal and fair to everyone, and therefore people outside that demographic must all be objectively less skilled/qualified or uninterested in the field (and thus ignorable)
 
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