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GavinGT said:
But all the pre-announcement trolling was centered around pretending Ryckert wasn't the new hire, while sort of winking and nodding that he was. I don't even see how what you're suggesting would qualify as "trolling".
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He was screwing around with the GB audience before that message too. Anything tangentially related to the GB hire was food for them to discuss, not just "I'm totally not going to Giant Bomb" jokes.

Think about it. If he really wanted to know if the job was still open, why would he post on the Giant Bomb forums to check? He's friends with Jeff, he probably has everyone's email that works for them, he could shoot any one of them a DM over Twitter. There were many other ways to do it if he was sincere in his inquiry.
 
ignata said:
Has anyone even mentioned Dan's new ebook coming out today? I'd wade through the last 400 pages of shit but I don't want to sour my mood.
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I bought and read it last night in fact! It's very short and you can read it in a single sitting. I don't watch wrestling so everything was slightly confusing at first, but the central narrative that Dan recounts and the outcomes of that pivotal are well nuanced even to the layman.
 
APF said:
So the question this raises in my mind is, why do you feel entitled to detailed and compassionate responses to your ignorant and hurtful questions?
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I don't know what you mean by this. I had anti-gay beliefs in, like, 2007. I'm not proud of them.
 
antigoon said:
I don't know if it actually happened. I saw people discussing it a number of pages back and it seemed like the consensus opinion.
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Eh, I doubt that was the case. The job listings went up in the beginning of May and wasn't it on one of the E3 streams that Jeff said they had just gotten confirmation of the new hires?

Anyway, I thought about posting my thoughts about the drama. Instead I decided to make french toast and watch the Xbox One reveal again. I think I made the right choice. Figured I'd just go watch a bunch of Ryan content with it close to being one year and all.
 
ST2K said:
He was screwing around with the GB audience before that message too. Anything tangentially related to the GB hire was food for them to discuss, not just "I'm totally not going to Giant Bomb" jokes.

Think about it. If he really wanted to know if the job was still open, why would he post on the Giant Bomb forums to check? He's friends with Jeff, he probably has everyone's email that works for them, he could shoot any one of them a DM over Twitter. There were many other ways to do it if he was sincere in his inquiry.
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Yeah, you're probably right.
 
hamchan said:
He just explained in that very sentence in which you quoted. If people took the time to properly explain things instead of just throwing slurs at each other, then understanding would happen much faster.
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Maybe she was tired of having to explain things like this to people over and over again as a representative of a minority?
 
peterb0y said:
the fuck? no it isn't lol, we aren't scared of a camera
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Seriously, are you claiming to speak for all minorities? No one said 'scared of a camera'.

A 'safe environment' is an important issue minorities bring up when speaking of platforms (it's more common among those who are particularly disenfranchised, like trans people). A safe environment does of course mean actual physical safety, perhaps primarily, but not exclusively. And youtube isn't really safe by any stretch.

Text of course is far safer, for obvious reasons.
 
Jintor said:
he's not saying he's entitled to it, he's saying from a pragmatic standpoint of getting him to come around to a particular view of an argument it's better for the responses not to be immediately hostile

of course that's basically assuming people who suffer these stupid dumbass ignorant/hurtful questions all the time from every direction have the patience of saints
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I think there is a great difference of having a explosive reaction to stuff like this:

antigoon said:
This article is snarky and aggressive, but read re: your plea for calmness.
http://www.derailingfordummies.com/derail-using-anger/
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Posted as if it was a serious counterpoint.
 
antigoon said:
Maybe she was tired of having to explain things like this to people over and over again as a representative of a minority?
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I can kind of relate. I sometimes get tired of explaining things on political forums over and over again, though I usually move onto something else instead of telling people to go fuck themselves.
 
GavinGT said:
If that's what happened, why did Ryckert post "Is the position still open?" in a GB forum thread like two weeks after they started taking applications?
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Wow, that's hilarious if he knew he was being considered then.
 
TadThuggish said:
I don't know what you mean by this. I had anti-gay beliefs in, like, 2007. I'm not proud of them.
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Well exactly. But for some reason you feel you were entitled to people responding on a level that was better than what you were defending / offering, so they could clear up your ignorance. That entire concept--that the empowered are entitled to better treatment than the disempowered--is part of what people call "privilege."
 
antigoon said:
Maybe she was tired of having to explain things like this to people over and over again as a representative of a minority?
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Or maybe she's just a mean person?

I don't understand why this grown woman's actions need to be explained and excused. She was a dick on the internet, big whoop, lots of people are.
 
graboids said:
99% of the content I take in is at work and audio/visual because I can do that while I am at work and still be working. I can not read an article and still be working, written content is almost an immediate skip for me because of this.
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This is such an interesting post because I feel pretty much completely oppositely. When I'm at my computer, I'm reading things constantly. Reddit, newspapers, GAF, etc, usually with music playing. Getting a video link requires me to stop all of that, pause the music, stop talking to my friends in gchat, and give 100% of my focus to the video. For this reason, I usually don't seek out much video content and sometimes actively avoid it.

I definitely feel like I'm in the minority, though.
 
antigoon said:
This is such an interesting post because I feel pretty much completely oppositely. When I'm at my computer, I'm reading things constantly. Reddit, newspapers, GAF, etc, usually with music playing. Getting a video link requires me to stop all of that, pause the music, stop talking to my friends in gchat, and give 100% of my focus to the video. For this reason, I usually don't seek out much video content and sometimes actively avoid it.

I definitely feel like I'm in the minority, though.
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Do you not have multiple monitors?
 
Renpatsu said:
I bought and read it last night in fact! It's very short and you can read it in a single sitting. I don't watch wrestling so everything was slightly confusing at first, but the central narrative that Dan recounts and the outcomes of that pivotal are well nuanced even to the layman.
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Wow, very cool. You don't even watch wrestling? That's some dedication.
Dan-ication?

Don't be like me, who after a WWE '13 quick look decided "I should see what this wrestling is about." Just...don't.
 
APF said:
Well exactly. But for some reason you feel you were entitled to people responding on a level that was better than what you were defending / offering, so they could clear up your ignorance. That entire concept--that the empowered are entitled to better treatment than the disempowered--is part of what people call "privilege."
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You're typing words and I think they might mean something but there are so many in such a random order and my eyes are wide and I'm just staring aaahhhhhh
 
This is the internet, it can always get worse. If you've paid attention to any of the silicon valley PC-centric womens/minority issues that have occurred in the past year or so, the main lesson is do not poke the bear. These things will die out when people get bored and move onto the next thing. An official response does absolutely nothing good for anyone, except stoke the coals.

Will it make you feel better to hear Jeff say exactly what you know he will say? Why? He's not going to say "Yeah fuck minorities, #whitepower". GB are good peoples, and we already know they hired the best people for the job.

They should not talk about hiring practices. Do you want to get sued? That's how you get sued.
 
Zornack said:
Or maybe she's just a mean person?

I don't understand why this grown woman's actions need to be explained and excused. She was a dick on the internet, big whoop, lots of people are.
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Explaining actions is always constructive, because it helps garner sympathy and understanding. Excusing them is another matter which sets bad precedents. We can all understand why conflicts happen while at the same time agreeing that they shouldn't happen, and to do thing to prevent their re-occurrence.
 
ignata said:
Wow, very cool. You don't even watch wrestling? That's some dedication.
Dan-ication?

Don't be like me, who after a WWE '13 quick look decided "I should see what this wrestling is about." Just...don't.
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I'm actually kinda curious about wrestling. I've never actually watched it, and the GB guys are fanatics so there must be something awesome about it. Any recommendations on where to start to see if i like it?
 
ignata said:
Wow, very cool. You don't even watch wrestling? That's some dedication.
Dan-ication?

Don't be like me, who after a WWE '13 quick look decided "I should see what this wrestling is about." Just...don't.
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Well to be fair... It's $4. What did I really have to lose?

Edit: To also give credit where credit is due the book explores this moment as a catalyst for what wrestling becomes by looking at this notion of 'kayfabe' and what happens when you break it. In that sense it is not dissimilar to magicians (maybe I'm reaching) and other performers who attempt to conceal their work in reality when in fact it is anything but.
 
TharpDaddy said:
I'm actually kinda curious about wrestling. I've never actually watched it, and the GB guys are fanatics so there must be something awesome about it. Any recommendations on where to start to see if i like it?
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I just tuned into an episode of Raw and it was soap opera-y enough that I had to find out what happened on the next episode. I even bought the PPV that month. Last night's episode was pretty bonkers, so if you can seek that out (Hulu Plus, replay on Universal HD, wrestling video sites I can't mention here) you could watch that and see if it grabs you.
 
Renpatsu said:
Well to be fair... It's $4. What did I really have to lose?

Edit: To also give credit where credit is due the book explores this moment as a catalyst for what wrestling becomes by looking at this notion of 'kayfabe' and what happens when you break it. In that sense it is not dissimilar to magicians (maybe I'm reaching) and other performers who attempt to conceal their work in reality when in fact it is anything but.
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Good point. Yeah, I'm familiar with that incident the book goes over and the interesting effects it had afterword, the most prominent being Stone Cold replacing Triple H to win King of the Ring, leading to his Austin 3:16 promo, etc. Still, reading about it from Dan's perspective would be cool.

Actually I'm at work not doing much right now and can read Kindle books on here...hmm...
 
antigoon said:
This is such an interesting post because I feel pretty much completely oppositely. When I'm at my computer, I'm reading things constantly. Reddit, newspapers, GAF, etc, usually with music playing. Getting a video link requires me to stop all of that, pause the music, stop talking to my friends in gchat, and give 100% of my focus to the video. For this reason, I usually don't seek out much video content and sometimes actively avoid it.

I definitely feel like I'm in the minority, though.
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Probably too soon to make a joke about how you consider yourself a minority because you don't have two monitors right? Privilege, first world, check it, etc? Just making sure
 
TheBaronOfNA said:
Posted as if it was a serious counterpoint.
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That is a serious counterpoint. Tone policing happens all the time, and it has a suffocating, censoring effect on discussions about marginalization.

It literally just happened in the other thread, that got so terrible that it had to be locked; it started out with a plea from Jeff and others to stop ganging up on and harassing a woman over her comments, and the thread (like many others regarding similar topics) became about dragging that woman through the mud over one particular tweet out of many as "proof" that "both sides" are bad (when the other side is telling her to kill herself), or digging up old venting essays on personal blogs and focusing on the rhetoric rather than the actual message. It was complete shift of focus from "what a marginalized person puts up with," to "but has said marginalized person ever gotten angry or frustrated so we can disregard them as hysterical/uppity/radical" as if that was the REAL scandal to be discussed.

It happens all the time. The discussion about the terrible things that marginalized people go through always ends up shifting from discussing the marginalization itself, to putting the marginalized person on trial for every offense you can dig up.
 
APF said:
Well exactly. But for some reason you feel you were entitled to people responding on a level that was better than what you were defending / offering, so they could clear up your ignorance. That entire concept--that the empowered are entitled to better treatment than the disempowered--is part of what people call "privilege."
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I've been trying to think of how to convey this for the past few hours and I stop short of posting every time because I felt like I couldn't word it in a way that wouldn't be quickly dismissed, but if someone else said it, I might as well add to it. The fact of the matter is that you aren't entitled to any specific person educating you on an issue when you confront them about it, especially when there are surely many other people confronting them in the same way. The expectation that someone should have to calmly explain to you how you're being to shitty them while you're doing so is ridiculous.
 
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Oh my, what an exciting day!
 
So now the speculation for who's getting hired at GBEast can begin. I like the idea of Cara Ellison, visa permitting.
 
Mister Negative said:
I mean, even if you think about staff reaction to it. With Leigh, it was all awkward glances at each other and "<>." They...didn't really bat an eye at shirtless Greg Miller who proceeded to knock over a big ol' pyramid of beer cans just because.

For the record, I don't have a problem with how Greg acted, really. That's what after-hours E3 is about. But if you look at the difference in how the community and staff reacted to the two situations, it's pretty striking.
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If you watch it again, you might find that the entire scene was incredibly awkward. I don't know much about Greg, but that entire 20 seconds or so made him look like a huge asshole. No one really laughed (aside from himself) apart from maybe some awkward snickers. Then they immediately went into changing the subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPUDsdaZaGk#t=10745

What a dick, dude. Can't believe the community had a positive reaction to that.
 
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